Has anyone attended an Apostolic College?
 

Has anyone attended an Apostolic College?
I would love to learn Greek so that I could have a better understanding of the bible. Plus I love talking about God's word.

What things did you learn that were helpful?
What things were thrown in there that you thought could have been left out?

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Obviously it does not have to be Apostolic to learn Greek, but you can learn greek on your own

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That was kind of a side point. Sure I could. But like everything if you have to show up at a certain time with finished assignments you are more likely to accomplish your goal.

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I would not recommend Bible College. You could pay to learn about Oneness and Acts 2:38. However anything you can learn on those subjects is available for free on the internet. Anything else they would teach (foundation wise) would probably be wrong.

In short big money to be taught error.

Which one did you go to?

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I never said I did. I said I would not recommend anyone doing it.

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Why would anyone go to College to learn about Oneness and Acts 2:38?

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We all know the reason MOST attend Bible college is to find their future spouse.

Might I suggest eharmony.com if you want to save a whole lot of $$$?

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Why should they go period? You should be able to learn Bible truth at your Church. Any foundation doctrine can be studied on the internet. Any of the Bible can be studied in the Bible itself.

Why should someone relocate and pay money when they don't need to?

And as to Oneness and Acts 2:38 my point was that's probably the only thing an Apostolic Bible College would teach and be accurate.

I attended a bible college back in the day. I attended for a few reasons.

1. Learn how to become a church music director
2. Get away from home - independence
3. Focus on education
4. Possibly find a mate with similar beliefs and background. (Didn't happen!)

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Why should one that has received the baptism of the Holy Ghost attend an institution created by imperfect man when they possess the best Teacher one could possibly seek residing within them 24/7; One who promises to teach them ALL things, yes, even give them knowledge of things that are to come in the future?

Did not Christ Jesus say?

"... I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." (John 14:17-18)

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you." (John 16:13-14)

Is there a man-made educational institution anywhere that is able to achieve what Jesus tells us the Spirit of truth is able to do? I know of none.

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If you just want to learn Greek, there are other ways to do so besides attending Bible School.

This is true, but most go to a Bible School for other reasons than just the education. This is what you and Lafon don't understand. Bible School is more than just an education; it's an experience. It's meeting fellow believers, becoming involved in other ministries and opportunities, building confidence in ministry which can't be done at home or local church. Now, can you learn in your own home or church? Absolutely! But you won't gain the experiences you will at a Bible School

That's really inaccurate. Sure, depending on which organization the school is a part, there may be some courses that are lacking, but they are very few.

Again, completely missing the point.

Here's the deal. If you're simply wanting to learn some Biblical foundations or learn Greek/Hebrew, etc - you can do that without attending a Bible School. If, however, you have a heart for ministry and you want to be a Pastor or Evangelist or even a Teacher or Music minister - definitely consider it. Not just because of the education, but because of what I mentioned above...meeting, making contacts, developing confidence in whatever ministry God has blessed you. You don't HAVE to go to be involved in those ministries, but it does provide benefits.

I still have many contacts that I met in Bible School, who have been valuable sources of encouragement, sound advice, and who have helped in the ministry.

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The same reason why anyone goes to college to learn things from someone who is already educated in that area.

Like I said, nobody goes to Bible College to learn Acts 2:38 or Oneness. They MAY learn how to better effectively teach or apologetically argue FOR it vs the internet hacks that usually muddle their way through it.

Here is the Master of Theology from Urshan Graduate school..you'll notice conspicuously missing is a simple lesson on Acts 2:38 and Oneness basics

• Biblical Studies (21)
3 OT Foundations
3 NT Foundations
3 Biblical Interpretation
3 Language I (Greek or Hebrew)
3 Language II (must be same as Language I)
3 Luke/Acts
3 Book Study Elective
• Practical Theology (6)
3 Personal Spiritual Disciplines
3 Mission of the Church
• Biblical Theology (9)
3 Systematic Theology I
3 Systematic Theology II
3 Christology
• Electives from any discipline (6)

Electives from all disciplines
• Historical Theology (6)
3 Early Christian History OR
Reformation & Modern Christian History
3 Modern Pentecostal Movements
• Thesis (3)
Students will develop their plans with a faculty advisor. (Students may take an additional 3 credits for a longer thesis which would replace the elective credit from any discipline.)

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Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,

2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

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I understand the Urshan Graduate School is accredited is it not? Can a person who graduated with a bachelor's from a Oneness unaccredited Bible School attend there and get a masters?

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Yes the five fold ministry is what we need! But in the early Church of Acts it operated in the Churches. It is absurd to think the gifted Apostolic ministers charged people to teach them the truth. Totally absurd. And that's why Im against a so called "Bible College". Of course along with the fact most of the doctrine they teach is IMO error.

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Yes accredited. I don't know

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You missed the point. teachers are taught. Paul was taught.

So now your real issue is they charge money? Can we stick to one REAL issue? So it's not about teaching Acts 2:38 and basic Oneness...because That is not what goes on at Bible schools..

The issue is you don't like the fact they charge for an College level education?

Well, consider this. Once those people get their degrees, hopefully they can go to our churches and then teach what they've learned (which was my original point) and you won't have to pay.

But sadly...things cost money. Even in the NT church if you wanted a copy of the bible you paid

If you like you can go to a third world nation and learn there by going through some Alpha courses, but you probably won't learn Greek and Hebrew and mostly will just learn Doctrine again

Right, you say this but you've never been there so you don't know what they teach.

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I know that except for Oneness and Acts 2:38 they teach mostly error on foundation doctrine. So Pentecostals pay money to be taught error. If they were teaching any truth it would filter down to others and I have not heard of that happening.

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Its not ordained by God. Here is the real way of Ministers ministering to the people. They do not charge them money to teach Gods holy truth!

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. 32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. 33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. Acts 20:28

Paul an Apostle who founded New Covenant Churches taught THE ELDERS OF THE CHURCH....to work with their own hands! Then they would not have to demand money to teach the word of truth.

But most are not interested in having a New Covenant Church. Its easy to see how this works. Man has corrupted Apostolic ways. So we have corrupted Churches.

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So once again we are back to the real issue? You don't like higher education because it costs money...

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I know several who have attended Apostolic Colleges.
All of them have turned out very well.
Some are now evangelists, pastors, bankers, teachers,
music teachers.
I hate when someone knocks something they have no
real experience with.

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A lot of Christians are anti-intellectualism

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No the real issue is it is unbiblical. Comment on Acts 20:28-35. Particularly the last two verses.

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But my experience is grounded in THE BIBLICAL NEW COVENANT CHURCH. The real Church never had pay to learn deep truth or pay to learn anything. The real Ministers taught truth to the saints in a Church setting or house to house. The Elders worked with their own hands and fed the flock even if the flock did not pay extra for it.

I hate it when people do things contrary to the scriptural pattern of the New Covenant Church.

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Not me. Im against perverting the true Church.

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I'm for higher education, but it seems to me that you have to dig it out for yourself. I went 1/2 semester to the Apostolic Collage in Mississippi. My husband didn't like it there and so we had to come back home.

If a person wants to advance in the Institutionalized Organization, then that is probably the best way. However it is my belief that our Institutionalized Denomination is headed in the wrong direction.

What did I learn?
I had already been studying on my own for years. I made straight A's, but I didn't learn much except probably some in Bible History.
In the class on “Daniel” I showed my teacher, Bro Eckstadt, a chart, on heavy cloth, 3 x 10 ft, that I had drawn, a few years before I went to Bible School. He looked at me, and said, “Sister, have you been in my notes.” The class got a laugh out of that.

I really enjoyed the Art Class. The teacher, joking suggested that the next year, I might be the teacher. Which couldn't happen, because my husband didn't like Mississippi.

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Do you mean John Eckstadt?

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I believe his name was John. He taught a lot on Prophecy.

You went 1/2 semester, of course you likely didn't learn anything new! Much of the first semester or two of ANY university or college - secular or religious - is vanilla...going over things you likely already know.

Times change and education costs money. You don't like people paying for religious education, fine, but don't make statements about somewhere you've never been or comment on something you've never experienced.

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I contend for the faith that was once delivered to the saints. You are opposing it. Therefore you leave me no choice. Just as there was no Trinitarian baptism, no pre trib rapture, there was no Bible College.

The Elders of the Church fed the flock Apostolic Truth. They did this while working with their own hands. They taught the true Apostolic doctrine. Todays Bible College Professors don't know it except Oneness and Acts 2:38.

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There was a John Eckstadt from Brooklyn. He was perhaps the best on the teaching of Oneness since Apostolic days. He also taught the truth of the resurrection of the dead.

Notwithstanding he never overcame pre trib rapture. I think he died in the late 70's.

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Then please stop changing the issue to cost.

So Colleges are unbiblical...ok
Great verses. Irrelevant to whether or not Colleges are unbiblical though

Those verses say NOTHING against having a college or university focusing on religious education. You're twisting these verses to try and advance your personal belief.

You have a personal belief against it, fine. But don't twist Scriptures to try and make your personal belief a Biblical standard.

That's as bad as people twisting Scripture to make their personal dress standard a Biblical one.

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If people want to relocate somewhere and pay men to teach them false doctrine its their business. However don't equate such things with the New Testament Apostolic Church.

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Im not twisting them you are ignoring them. Verses that show the ELDERS OF THE CHURCH were the ones who fed the Flock. No such thing as a pay Professors to teach divine truth "Bible College".

They would have been counted as false teachers seeking gain out of the ministry. Sincere men of God who love truth would gladly spend and be spent to teach Gods truth to the hungry.

A far cry from modern mans systems of error. The Bible colleges turn out the false teachers of the day we live.

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Did you see the course curriculum from the Theology program I posted? As we said before going to a Seminary isn't necessarily about learning someone's doctrine.