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odooley6985 10-08-2013 04:42 PM

Canadians don’t understand Ted Cruz’s health-care
 
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...te-lower-costs

"Roger Martin, another Toronto native and avowed capitalist, spent years as a senior partner at the consulting firm Monitor before becoming dean of the Rotman School of Management at the University of Toronto, where he recently completed a 15-year stint. He advises U.S. corporate icons like Proctor & Gamble and Steelcase. He lived in the United States for years and has experienced both systems first hand.

Martin told me that Canada’s lower spending, better outcomes and universal coverage make it superior by definition. Plus, it’s “incredibly hassle-free.” In the United States every time he took his kids in for an earache his wife spent hours fighting with the health plan or filling out reams of paperwork. In Canada, he says, “the entire administrative cost is pulling your card out of your pocket, giving it to them and putting it back.”

odooley6985 10-08-2013 04:43 PM

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"There’s more. Canadian divisions of multinational firms love Canada’s system because when they bid on projects they have no health costs to load in. Also, there’s no crazy “job lock” as with the employer-based system in the United States — where people with (say) a sick child cling to their job for fear of being pronounced uninsurable. His peers, he says, view the U.S. debate as “ideological and not based on economics.”"

Originalist 10-08-2013 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1280789)
"There’s more. Canadian divisions of multinational firms love Canada’s system because when they bid on projects they have no health costs to load in. Also, there’s no crazy “job lock” as with the employer-based system in the United States — where people with (say) a sick child cling to their job for fear of being pronounced uninsurable. His peers, he says, view the U.S. debate as “ideological and not based on economics.”"


That's why Canadians, including government officials, come here for their serious healthcare needs, because the waiting lists to see specialists in Canada have backlogs from 6 months to two years.

Secondly, Canada has a fraction of our population. You can't have a one size fits system for 300 million people.

Finally, the Federal government has tied the States' hands from trying programs that would save money.

n david 10-08-2013 07:11 PM

We have "snow birds" that come down from Canada and flood the Dr's offices for their care. It's annoying. Every one I've asked said the wait for any specialized care has a long wait, so it's easier to plan follow ups when they come here every 6mo.

odooley6985 10-08-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1280794)
That's why Canadians, including government officials, come here for their serious healthcare needs, because the waiting lists to see specialists in Canada have backlogs from 6 months to two years.

Secondly, Canada has a fraction of our population. You can't have a one size fits system for 300 million people.

Finally, the Federal government has tied the States' hands from trying programs that would save money.

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society...alth-care.html

odooley6985 10-08-2013 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1280801)
We have "snow birds" that come down from Canada and flood the Dr's offices for their care. It's annoying. Every one I've asked said the wait for any specialized care has a long wait, so it's easier to plan follow ups when they come here every 6mo.

When you say the bolded how many do you talk to and how?

It jus shocks me that everyone is complaining about Obamacare and the possibility of a single payer and is ok with an insurance middle man that is eventually going to jack up healthcare costs to 20% of GDP in 7 years. We need to get rid of the insurance company middle man. Its make things cost more and makes things more difficult.

Like I said, how many employers would be happy if they didn't have to bear the burden of insurance benefits? How much more hiring could be done?

odooley6985 10-08-2013 10:08 PM

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http://www.yourdoctorsorders.com/201...th-care-myths/

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Canadians do come to the US for health care – but let us compare apples to apples here. If a province does not have the specific health care service, the province pays for the person to come to the US and get that service. And in rural provinces, the population is often too small to support medical specialists. Compare that to the rural United States, if there is not a specialist in a small town a patient is (and there are not in most of the rural states) referred to the major cities for specialty health care. Here is the difference- if they are referred from the United States there is no payment involved – just directions on where to go. If the Canadian government refers you for specialized health care it comes with the assurance that the health care is paid for

odooley6985 10-08-2013 10:11 PM

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US:
Life Expectancy (Male) 74.8
Life Expectancy (Female) 80.1
Infant Mortality/1000 live births 6.8
Obesity Rate (Male) 31.1
Obesity Rate (Female) 32.2
HC spending as % of GDP (2005) 16.0%

Canada:
Life Expectancy (Male) 77.4
Life Expectancy (Female) 82.4
Infant Mortality/1000 live births 5.3
Obesity Rate (Male) 17.0
Obesity Rate (Female) 19.0
HC spending as % of GDP (2005) 10.4%
Yup Canada's healthcare stinks

odooley6985 10-08-2013 10:14 PM

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http://eideard.com/2009/06/27/why-do...n-health-care/

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Myth: Canada’s government decides who gets health care and when they get it. While HMOs and other private medical insurers in the U.S. do indeed make such decisions, the only people in Canada to do so are physicians. In Canada, the government has absolutely no say in who gets care or how they get it. Medical decisions are left entirely up to doctors, as they should be.
I could go on and on. You get the point. Get with the Canadians and see what they do.

But lets all keep pretending that our healthcare is the best in the world.

odooley6985 10-08-2013 10:17 PM

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http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news...re-system.html

Seems they like their system in Canada.

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By an overwhelming margin, Canadians prefer the Canadian health care system to the American one. Overall, 82% said they preferred the Canadian system, fully ten times the number who said the American system is superior (8%)....from a Harris-Decima poll (.pdf), July 2009. .

Pressing-On 10-08-2013 10:30 PM

Re: Canadians don’t understand Ted Cruz’s health-c
 
Studies in
HEALTH POLICY
December 2012
Waiting Your Turn
Wait Times for Health Care in Canada
2012 Repor
t

by Bacchus Barua and Nadeem Esmail

Key findings

Specialist physicians surveyed across 12 specialties and 10
Canadian provinces report a total waiting time of 17.7 weeks
between referral from a general practitioner and elective
treatment in 2012.

Patients in Ontario experience the shortest wait (14.9 weeks)
followed by Quebec (16.6 weeks), and British Columbia (17.0 weeks).

Patients wait longest for orthopaedic surgery (39.6 weeks)
and wait least for medical oncology treatment (4.1 weeks).

After an appointment with a specialist, Canadians wait
approximately 3 weeks longer than what physicians believe
is “reasonable” for elective treatment.

In 2012, throughout the provinces people are waiting for an
estimated 870,462 procedures. Assuming that each person
waits for only one procedure, 2.5 percent of Canadians are
waiting for treatment.

Only 10.3 percent of patients are on waiting lists because
they requested a delay or postponement.

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploa...-turn-2012.pdf

Pressing-On 10-08-2013 10:41 PM

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Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

A Canadian study released Wednesday found that many provinces in our neighbor to the north have seen patients fleeing the country and opting for medical treatment in the United States.

The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011, as wait times increased 104 percent — more than double — compared with statistics from 1993.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/re...#ixzz2hCFfe1TT

Pressing-On 10-08-2013 10:46 PM

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MS patients rally for experimental treatment

Canadians with multiple sclerosis rallied across the country Wednesday to demand access to a controversial procedure not available in Canada or covered by provincial health insurance policies.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ms-pat...tment-1.875757

odooley6985 10-09-2013 08:41 AM

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Pressing on v odooley study for study for study throw down.

Originalist 10-09-2013 12:29 PM

Re: Canadians don’t understand Ted Cruz’s health-c
 
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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1280833)
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news...re-system.html

Seems they like their system in Canada.

Until something is seriously wrong with them. Again, why did their Prime Minister come here for treatment?

n david 10-09-2013 01:06 PM

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Danny Williams, the premier of the Canadian province of Newfoundland, traveled to the United States earlier this month (2010) to undergo heart valve surgery at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami. With his trip, Williams joined a long list of Canadians who have decided that they prefer American medicine to their own country's government-run health system when their lives are on the line.
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Canada suffers from a scarcity of physicians. Over the last decade, about 11 percent of doctors trained in Canadian medical schools have come to the United States to practice. Physicians' salaries are set at artificially low levels by provincial authorities: The average Canadian doctor makes just 42 percent of what an American physician does.

Canadian patients also face wait times for medical procedures. Nearly 700,000 Canadians are on a waiting list for surgery or other treatments.

A Canadian patient has to wait roughly four months for the average surgical or other therapeutic treatment. Wait times were similar a decade ago - even though the government has substantially increased health care spending since then.

Canadians also lack access to advanced medical technology. Compared to other developed countries, Canada ranks 14th out of 25 nations surveyed by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development in access to MRIs; 19th of 26 for CT scanners; and eighth out of 21 for mammograms.

Canadian women are nearly a quarter less likely to have had a mammogram than are American women.
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Publicly insured Canadians have access to half as many drugs as their countrymen with private insurance - and must wait a year longer to gain access to the few new drugs that become available.
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