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kclee4jc

10-16-2013 12:25 PM

Strange Fire Conference

I'm listening now to the live stream of John Macarthur's "Strange Fire" conference. Michael Brown has been talking about this conference and the rediculous ideas being pushed for some time now.
John Macarthur is clearly a cesassionist. It seems he is taking the radical and bizarre behaviors of the most far fetched charismatic movements and pushing them onto the entire charismatic/Pentecostal movement.

http://www.tmstrangefire.org

n david

10-16-2013 12:37 PM

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Why would someone name their conference "Strange Fire Conference?"

:toofunny

Praxeas

10-16-2013 12:39 PM

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lol..Maybe he is just ingratiating himself on his peer group after being called out for heresy on the Eternal Son doctrine...

kclee4jc

10-16-2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1281872)

Why would someone name their conference "Strange Fire Conference?"

:toofunny

his accusation is that the Charismatic/ Pentecostal movement as a whole offers "Strange Fire" to God. This, according to MacArthur will warrant the judgment of God. It's the "Strange Fire Conference" because that is what he is attempting to speak out against.

Michael The Disciple

10-16-2013 02:43 PM

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Everything Macarthur teaches is fundamentally wrong. Its all "strange fire" when compared to the apostles doctrine.

Nitehawk013

10-17-2013 04:26 AM

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I wouldn't say everything he teaches is fundamentally wrong. The man can run theological rings around most of our apostolic "scholars".

Michael The Disciple

10-17-2013 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1281972)

I wouldn't say everything he teaches is fundamentally wrong. The man can run theological rings around most of our apostolic "scholars".

Where does he run rings around them? I would say even young Ministers who are Oneness know more of the truth than he does.

I say he teaches ALL the foundation doctrines wrong.

Michael The Disciple

10-17-2013 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1281873)

lol..Maybe he is just ingratiating himself on his peer group after being called out for heresy on the Eternal Son doctrine...

One thing he did have right. There was no "eternal son". But then he recanted truth and embraced the more "classic" Trinitarianism featuring the eternal son doctrine.

navygoat1998

10-17-2013 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1281972)

I wouldn't say everything he teaches is fundamentally wrong. The man can run theological rings around most of our apostolic "scholars".

I don't think he could run circles around Gordon Fee. Gordon Fee is not Apostolic but is very Pentecostal.

http://www.charismamag.com/spirit/bi...or-with-spirit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Fee

Originalist

10-17-2013 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1281902)

Everything Macarthur teaches is fundamentally wrong. Its all "strange fire" when compared to the apostles doctrine.

Everything?

houston

10-17-2013 07:57 AM

Maybe that is why I like Mac.

Ferd	10-17-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1281869)

a few days ago we had a thread about revalation and deception and how close they are to each other.....

imagine a preacher who actually decided to have a conference called "strange fire"

and he thinks that somehow is a "God Thing"

what is wrong with people, except they have been deluded by God himself?

Abiding Now

10-17-2013 09:43 AM

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Is this the same guy that taught at Because of the Times?

houston

10-17-2013 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1282051)

Is this the same guy that taught at Because of the Times?

kclee4jc

10-17-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1282051)

Is this the same guy that taught at Because of the Times?

i think that was John Maxwell?

he doesnt major on doctrine so much...more leadership

I'm not defending his presence on the platform of an Apostolic Church...just statin the facts.

MacArthur is a dontrinal authority for calvinists and cesassionists and several other heretics :-)

kclee4jc

10-17-2013 12:07 PM

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I was surprised to see RC Sproul teaching at this conference. I guess it shouldnt suprise me that he is a cesassionist as well.
I have read some of his articles on eschatology.

Ferd	10-17-2013 12:56 PM

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There will not be a single cesassionist in heaven. NOT ONE

navygoat1998

10-17-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1282114)

There will not be a single cesassionist in heaven. NOT ONE

Thus sayeth the word of Ferd!!!!! :spit

kclee4jc

10-17-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1282114)

There will not be a single cesassionist in heaven. NOT ONE

agreed. How can one be born of the Spirit if all works of the Spirit have ceased.

n david

10-17-2013 02:12 PM

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Anyone have a MacArthur Study Bible?

Michael The Disciple

10-17-2013 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1281989)

Everything?

As far as I understand the New Testament Faith he teaches everything that I consider foundational falsely. Im convinced that even a well trained believer in the Oneness faith has more accurate knowledge of the truth than he does.

Michael The Disciple

10-17-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1281869)

Now from what I have hears Michael Brown is a good holiness preacher.

Abiding Now

10-17-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1282051)

Is this the same guy that taught at Because of the Times?

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1282054)

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1282101)

Thanks.

What is a "cesassionist"?

RandyWayne

10-17-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1282237)

Thanks.

What is a "cesassionist"?

Apparently something you don't want to be.

Abiding Now

10-17-2013 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1282238)

Apparently something you don't want to be.

I was just wondering if it had anything to do with 1861, the Confederacy or the Honorable Robert E. Lee.

Praxeas

10-17-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1282237)

Thanks.

What is a "cesassionist"?

Someone that believes the gifts all ceased when the Apostles all died out and the canon was completed

Abiding Now

10-17-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1282244)

Someone that believes the gifts all ceased when the Apostles all died out and the canon was completed

Oh WOW! Now that is a sad, doctrine. No real hope, No healing, No miracles, No answered prayers, No gifted men or ministries. Sad indeed.

houston

10-17-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1282245)

Oh WOW! Now that is a sad, doctrine. No real hope, No healing, No miracles, No answered prayers, No gifted men or ministries. Sad indeed.

Jesus is our hope. Why wouldn't their prayers be answered?

RandyWayne

10-17-2013 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1282240)

I was just wondering if it had anything to do with 1861, the Confederacy or the Honorable Robert E. Lee.

"I reckon that I due declare that you MAY be right. I reckon."

http://civilwardailygazette.com/wp-c...9/3stooges.png

Praxeas

10-17-2013 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1282247)

Jesus is our hope. Why wouldn't their prayers be answered?

"Jesus is our hope" is a very simplistic answer. Yes Jesus is our hope but he Entrusted delivery of that hope to men. He gave us gifts to edify one another

renee819

10-18-2013 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1282256)

"Jesus is our hope" is a very simplistic answer. Yes Jesus is our hope but he Entrusted delivery of that hope to men. He gave us gifts to edify one another

AMEN!!!!

Esaias

10-18-2013 07:24 AM

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So did fire come out from the pulpit and consume anybody?

Ferd	10-18-2013 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1282118)

Thus sayeth the word of Ferd!!!!! :spit

Nope. thats bible. guys like this are sending people to hell every single day.

kclee4jc

10-18-2013 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1282118)

Thus sayeth the word of Ferd!!!!! :spit

I've heard Ferd say many good words.
Good words are heard when they're said by Ferd.

If you havent heard the words of Ferd...why...you're just a nerd!

oh boy..

RandyWayne

10-18-2013 11:12 AM

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I LIKE hearing words from Ferd. They make me happy. It is a good thing!

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...pictureid=1040

n david

10-18-2013 11:16 AM

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Blog post about MacArthur's opening keynote at the Strange Fire Conference.

Source Link

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The charismatic movement continually dishonors God in its false forms of worship. It dishonors the Father and Son, but most specifically, the Holy Spirit. Many things are attributed to the Holy Spirit that actually dishonor him. In many places in the charismatic movement they are attributing to the Holy Spirit works that have actually been generated by Satan. Again and again MacArthur stressed the great danger for those who worship God flippantly. It is a tragic and agonizing irony that those who claim to be most devoted to the Holy Spirit are following patterns that blaspheme his name.

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He paused to state that he is not discrediting everyone in the movement. He knows there are charismatics who desire to worship God in a true way. Yet the movement itself has brought nothing that enriches true worship. It has made no contribution to biblical clarity, biblical interpretation or sound doctrine. The church had all of these things long before the charismatic movement happened.

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People have been saved in charismatic churches, but nothing coming from that movement has been the reason they were saved. Nothing within the movement has strengthened the gospel or preserved truth and sound doctrine. It has only produced distortion, confusion and error.

n david

10-18-2013 11:21 AM

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MacArthur then contrasted Reformed theology with the charismatic movement and said that Reformed theology is not a haven for false teachers. It is not where false teachers reside or where greedy deceivers and liars end up. You won’t go to an association of Reformed churches and find false miracles, visions, prophecies, anointings and other supposed miraculous manifestations of the Spirit. Once experience, emotion and intuition become the definition of what is true, all hell breaks loose.

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MacArthur showed what Scripture says about the work of the Holy Spirit and compared that to some of the more bizarre manifestations of the Holy Spirit in the charismatic movement.

He went to Hebrews 10 and the warning there about trampling the Son of God. Over the past couple of decades there have been organizations dedicated to defending the gospel of Jesus Christ. We have also defended the Father against the attacks of Open Theism. But this passage also promises punishment for those who insult the Spirit of grace. We know there will be a hotter hell for those who spurn Christ, but the same punishment is there for those who insult the Holy Spirit. This means we should be terrified to insult the Holy Spirit and vigorous in defending him.

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MacArthur concluded by saying we can see in Christ a picture of the perfect work of the Holy Spirit, for the Spirit has committed to do in us what he did in Christ. The Spirit was the constant companion of Jesus; Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, matured by the Spirit, anointed by the Spirit at his baptism, sustained by the Spirit in his temptation, empowered by the Spirit for ministry, filled with the Spirit so he walked in perfect obedience while displaying the Spirit’s fruit, perfected by obedience wrought in the Spirit’s power, raised by the power of the Spirit, and even in his post-resurrection ministry was in the power of the Spirit. The Spirit is to us as he was to Christ. If you want to know how he works in us, look at Jesus. Ultimately, the work of the Holy Spirit is to take corrupted image bearers and to restore in them the likeness of Jesus Christ.

He ended with this challenge: “I will start believing that the truth prevails in the charismatic movement when I see the leaders looking more like Jesus Christ and I see that they really are partakers of the divine nature.”

houston

10-18-2013 11:52 AM

Mac also spoke out against Mark Driscoll.

Esaias

10-18-2013 12:01 PM

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uh... Didn't Bob Jones University dump MacArthur because of his heresy concerning the Blood?

rofl

houston

10-18-2013 12:02 PM

Someone is speaking about Driscoll right now.. He is reformed but is not a cessationist.

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