Why Baptism Doesn't Wash Away Sins, Acts 10:43
 

The Bible interprets the Bible.

Yes, baptism is a command and ALL Christians should be baptized, in order to obey the scriptures and Biblical examples.

Still, the why behind baptism, the doctrine explaining the role of water baptism is important.

It is important to be correct-- though I still don't see people being sent to hell because they believe that water baptism washes away sin.

Much of the doctrinal striving and religious separating that people have participated in seems to be symptomatic of human-inspired pride and a lack of love for their brothers and sisters in Christ.

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Those who believe baptism saves are the very ones who don't believe baptism saves, Jermyn. I know that may sound contradictory, but some will point to the scripture which plainly says that baptism saves and when asked about the plan of salvation, baptism suddenly becomes a PART of the plan of salvation, baptism doesn't save any more.

By 'plan of salvation' I mean something which will keep a person from going to hell and attaining heaven in the hereafter.

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it makes me sad when people take things out of context.

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Please elaborate.

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I think I understand what you are saying.

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I Peter 3:21 might be interesting reading material for you...Seems like Apostle Peter thought that baptism was essential...

no one is saying that it's not essential

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Mabey this will be a good read for you Danshaf...

http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-1Peter-3-21.html

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I have read volumes of weak, watered down drivel such as that...The truth is that when you HEAR God's word,and you Repent,you are obligated to take part in the baptism of Water and Spirit...These are a part of the principles of the doctrine of Christ.You better get back in the Bible and drop some of the foolish commentaries..

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In Acts 10 he COMMANDED them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

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Oh I think the purpose of the question is probably to diminish the importance of this ceremony..We know that many have been baptized in Jesus name,whose sins were not washed away because they had no intention of giving them up..this does not make negative the TRUTH..that God expects us to enter in to His death,burial,and resurrection!

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Acts 22:14-16: “Then he told me, ‘The God of our ancestors has chosen you to know his will and to see the Righteous One and hear him speak. For you are to be his witness, telling everyone what you have seen and heard. What are you waiting for? Get up and be baptized. Have your sins washed away by calling on the name of the Lord.’"

According to Paul's conversion story, Jesus told him in a vision to be baptized and have his sins washed away, calling on the name of the Lord. Is it coincidental that the term "washed" is being used in context with a command to both participate in water baptism and call on the name of the Lord? Is "washed" in this context to be separated from the baptismal command and only indicate that sins are "washed away" when one calls upon the name of the Lord only? Or do they go hand-in-hand?

Paul that wrote whosoever calls upon the name of The Lord shall be saved...

Paul that wrote that he came not to baptize...

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If one continues to call..He SHALL...Baptism will be a part of his or her salvation. Apostle Paul allowed others to carry out the ceremony for him.

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Scripture doesn't say that baptism would be a part of salvation, scripture plainly says that those who are baptized are saved.....

1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Now, who believes that?

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"Arise, and be baptised, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

"...even baptism doth also now save us - not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God."

There are many under the delusion that people who hold to the apostles' teaching concerning baptism somehow don't understand 'the why behind baptism'. We understand the 'why behind baptism'. We proclaim the 'why behind baptism'.

But many people don't want to hear the 'why behind baptism', so they claim we are somehow missing the 'why behind baptism'.

Baptism is part of the new birth. Why?

Because it is the God-ordained way for people to respond to the gospel message of repentance and remission of sins through Jesus Christ.

Anyone who attempts to claim we somehow separate faith from baptism bears false witness, and will answer to the Lord for it.

We get baptised BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THE GOOD NEWS. We get baptised BECAUSE WE BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST. (This is why we get baptised in HIS NAME, by the way...) We get baptised BECAUSE THE APPOINTED MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT SAID ALL MUST DO IT.

Abib 14, 1500-something BC, Goshen:

Moses: Take a lamb, kill it, roast it, smear it's blood on the doorposts, and the LORD will pass over that house and not smite you with death of the firstborn.

Rebel-at-Heart: But we are gonna be saved by faith! Quit putting your faith in some 'act of obedience'. Yes, we are commanded to put the blood on the doorposts and the lintel, but that isn't going to save anyone, and if anyone FAILS TO DO IT THEY WILL BE OKAY!

Needless to say, 'Rebel-at-Heart' is on his way to the lake of fire, along with everyone who bothered listening to him.

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Which should be looked at in the context of where he heard that message - Acts 22:16, in a command to be baptised.

Peter also preached the exact same thing - 'for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved'. So people asked 'what shall we do?' in response, and for their answer he told them to 'repent and be baptised... in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins'. The Bible joins them together, unbelievers and Naaman's of today separate them.

IE he came not to make converts, but to preach the gospel. His mission was to 'be a light', if nobody ever converted he still would have fulfilled his calling. Interestingly though, all those people who said that to, were all baptised...

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But all this rather academic, because according to the poll on baptism, the vast majority of AFF members believe baptism is PART OF THE NEW BIRTH.

:happydance

Esaias,

Do you believe that those who are baptized will be lost because they do not believe that THAT is when/where their sins are forgiven?

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Well, according to some of you what Christ did on the cross was not enough?

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Not sure about that one. Still studying it.

I also don't think the apostles thought in terms of 'when EXACTLY are one's sins forgiven?' like we seem to be fixated on.

I am trying to change my paradigm to be more biblical, ie more like the world-view the apostles had. I have found that many of the 'issues' we have nowadays in matters of religion would have seemed quite strange and foreign to the apostles and the first generation of Christians. There are some things the Bible doesn't address. Not because God 'overlooked something', and not because He thinks them to be unimportant, but more likely because we are on a different page than He is. We create issues where none need to be.

Why is there an issue about this? I cannot fathom why someone would spend so much effort trying to prove baptism doesn't save us, sins aren't washed away in baptism, baptism is a 'work', baptism doesn't really do much of anything... what's the point? Such arguments only seem to support someone who wants to REFUSE TO BE BAPTISED. Whoever heard of a believer in Jesus who REFUSED TO BE BAPTISED?

It's like finding an answer to a question never asked, or a solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist...

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I've never heard it taught that baptism washes away sin. It is ,however, you symbolically renouncing the flesh and putting to death your old man. It is also a surrender of the temple of your body to the authority of the One who purchased it as his dwelling. It is a step towards the new birth. We simply cannot ignore Jesus' own words...


He who believes and is baptized shall be saved (saved by "washing of new birth and renewing of the Holy Ghost" as Paul said in Titus 3:5. If we are not willing to renounce the old man, we cannot expect to receive the new man.)

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Absolutely amazing...............................:icecream

So we should shut up as y'all proclaim that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins?

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I find it interesting that the writer (and the source he quotes) have obfuscated what Peter wrote:

"...The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...".

Nothing Peter wrote before or after this alters the force of this declaration. It explicates, but doesn't alter. And through his explication he re-enforces his declaration: that baptism's efficacy is spiritual in nature, not in the realm of the flesh.

This agrees with Paul's statement that baptism performs a circumcision of the heart (Col 2:11-12).

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Yep...all those protestants that believe in addition to what Christ did we need faith and repentance...sad isn't it?

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Nobody I've ever met believes that.

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It would appear that "Simple Believism" is alive on AFF and anyone that advocates repentance, water baptism, infilling of the Holy Ghost and separation is ADDING TO the work of Calvary.
Bunch of Baptist!


:laffatu

I don't know anyone (here) who doesn't believe in repentance, water baptism, and the Holy Spirit.

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Right. Believing in "repentance, water baptism, and the Holy Spirit" and saying that they essential for one's salvation is two different things.

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You said it, Esaias,
There are people on here that are “rebels at heart” and we can give them a dozen scriptures and it makes no difference. Evidently they don't believe the Bible, only their own heart. Even saying lay the Bible down to get closer to God.

I pray that no one listens to them. And I pray that God will open their eyes.

Esaias wrote,
Houston wrote
I don't believe that anyone said “ that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins.” God forgives when a person repents. And we are told in Gods Word, that baptism washes those forgiven sins away. It also tells us, 'it is a circumcision of the heart.”

Circumcision in the natural cuts away part of the flesh. Circumcision of the heart, since all our thoughts come from the heart, is burying the old man, the flesh, in a watery grave, to rise to walk in newness of life. That newness would be in “the fear of the Lord,” to learn to hate evil, but because we have free will, many go back and revive, pick up the old man again.

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There are parts of the Bible, that if we could we would question the interpreters, but to question God's Plan of salvation, is to shake our fist at God, telling Him that we know of a better way.

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How about some OT typology?

Anyone want to fit their particular view of water baptism into the sacrificial system of the Tabernacle and/or Temple?

Because if anyone is willing, I would like to see how anyone can come to some other conclusion, based off the typology of coming to God, that actually fits.

Altar of Sacrifice = Death of the Savior = Repentance from Dead Works

Laver of Water = Burial of the Savior = Water Baptism in Jesus' Name

Altar of Incense = Resurrection of the Savior = Infilling of the Holy Spirit

Ark of the Covenant in the Holiest of All = Ascension of Christ to Heaven to the Right Hand of the Father = Eternal Salvation of the Believer

Note, too, that the particular arrangement of all the articles, plus the menorah and the table inside of the holy place to the left and right, when looked at from above, make the shape of the cross.

But God's not trying to tell anyone anything, is He?

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Calling on the name of the Lord IS BAPTISM!

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Quoted from...

Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Then ...

Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

And when Peter Preached Joel 2, where Romans 10:13's reference is from, Peter told them baptism in Jesus' name. Hence, calling on the name of the Lord is being baptized with JESUS' name being invoked.

"CALLING UPON" is literally INVOKING - speaking it.

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ἐπικαλέομαι
epikaleomai
ep-ee-kal-eh'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G1909 and G2564; to entitle; by implication to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.): - appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

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Baptism is applying what Christ did for us to ourselves:

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

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Apparently, that radical Jesus of Nazareth did (Mk 16:16).

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The whole point is that baptism is not a condition for salvation.

Yes we should be baptized in water, yes we should be baptized with the Holy Ghost, but these two issues are not required for salvation.

Anyone who comes to Christ with a repenting heart and accepts what Christ did at the cross IS saved. Very simple.

There must be 20.000 different denominations under "religious authority" trying to teach differently, but they are all running after a different gospel.

"Religion" is the worst enemy of the gospel.

Get out of religion and go to the cross.

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That refers not to water baptism but to "being baptized into Christ". (Romans 6:3)

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Let me ask you this:

When a person repents and comes to Christ, that person is saved. The Bible says so.

Now this person decides to get baptized a week later and gets killed in the car on his way to the baptism service.......is that person going to hell because he/she was not baptized yet?

Please people give your head a shake!
Get rid of that legalism in your life.

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Baptism into Christ is water baptism. Same thing. The same effects of being baptized into Christ in Romans 6 -- so as to overcome sin -- are listed in 1 Peter 4 in the context of water baptism from 1 Peter 3:20.

1Pe 3:20-4:3 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (22) Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. (4:1) Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; (2) That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. (3) For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:


Rom 6:4-12 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: (6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (7) For he that is dead is freed from sin. (8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: (9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. (10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. (11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. (12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

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It's not "religion" to believe baptism in water is baptism into Christ's death. It's bible.