If you drink any deadly thing.....
 

....will it hurt you?

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Yes if u drink the cool aide it will hurt u and turn u into a lib

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Well, I did vote yes, so... :heeheehee

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It's a landslide! The Yeses win! Or, actually, the Yes. Singular. :lol

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I doubt you're going to get much participation on this poll.

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I had to vote "other" because it's a trick question, a contradiction of terms if taken very literally, (as believers should do except when they don't.)

If a "deadly drink" does NOT kill you when ingested, then it wasn't a deadly drink in that particular case, by definition. I would have called it a "poisonous drink." But I don't blame Jesus for this misstep of language in this case, because (aside from not knowing if "deadly" is a good translation) that verse is also part of Mark 16:9-20 (12 verses!) which do not appear in the earliest manuscripts of Mark. The verses were simply made up by scribes or someone and added because of the cliffhanger ending of Mark 16:8. They probably didn't like that kind of abrupt ending to "Mark", so took an opportunity to fix things. Nice Omnipotence there.

:icecream

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Kind of like how you just made up the scholarly judgement there.

But for those who might be easily confused by this tripe, here -

http://www.bible-researcher.com/endmark.html#dissent

But I am certain that our resident agnostic/atheists have scholarly credentials that clearly outclass Mr Scrivener's, Mr Burgon's, and many others.

Of course.

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I drank some Pabst Blue Ribbon once and am still here. That should answer your question.

NOW, I usually do not drink beer, but when I do. . . .



Next question!

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So, what does this scripture mean anyway? Because I don't know of any Christians who would drink a deadly thing thinking it would not harm them.

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Funny--your sarcasm and meaness exceeds mine! :dogpat

Obviously I don't really know WHY or when scribes or whomever did add Mark 16:9-20 did so, and I am obviously going to take a more cynical viewpoint than the faithful "tripe"-haters such as you and the esteemed scholar Scrivener. Interesting, though, that in spite of all that Greek you linked to, (which I don't pretend to follow) every Bible I have containing Mark 16:9-20 does honestly notate in margin something such as "Vss 9-20 do not appear in earliest manuscripts."

The article you linked is mostly proving that in spite of not being written by "Mark" the early church fathers still regarded the verses as "canonical." No great surprise there. Per Scrivener's concluding sentence,

<<So powerfully is it vouched for, that many of those who are reluctant to recognize St. Mark as its author, are content to regard it notwithstanding as an integral portion of the inspired record originally delivered to the Church.>>

Ah... the powerful vouching by others! IOW, some early fathers, although knowing the verses were not authored by Mark, they were still "content to regard it as canon."

Bruce Metzger implies similarly, article directly above the linked Scrivener, thus,
<<There seems to be good reason, therefore, to conclude that, though external and internal evidence is conclusive against the authenticity of the last twelve verses as coming from the same pen as the rest of the Gospel, the passage ought to be accepted as part of the canonical text of Mark.>>.

So there ya go, "Ought to be accepted as canon" although known to be not authored by Mark.

Nice faith. Er, uh, I mean nice evidence, there. Canonicity is so.....so, divinely-inspired!
:icecream

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A common answer to this is that they would not do that purposely, as that would be "tempting God", and forbidden. They would expect to be hurt, if the did that. But my question would cover accidental cases, too, and the scripture seems to cover these, at least.

On the other hand, there are some Christians who do drink poison on purpose, specifically to show that that scripture is true, and that they are true believers. I corresponded with a pastor of a church that practiced this (as well as snake handling), and he at first claimed that they drank pure strychnine. When I pointed out that strychnine is a powder, he revised his claim: it's some strychnine mixed in bleach.

And then there is the Man in Black, who developed an immunity to iocane powder over several years. Maybe these true believers have done that with strychnine.

Household bleach, by the way, is not as deadly as a lot of people suppose. And a tiny amount of strychnine added to it or anything else won't kill you, either. Tiny enough, that is. I suspect there is some trickery involved in all of these kinds of things. I thought about volunteering to do the deadly-thing preparation for them: I could guarantee it would be truly deadly, but I don't think I could live with that on my conscience. ;)

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Yes, I thought of that as I was writing it.....so since no one drinks it, it cannot be tested, eh? And of course, those who wish it tested are just unbelievers! :heeheehee

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Well, it could be tested by looking at ER records to see what percentage of poisoning victims are Christians. Should be zero. :thumbsup

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Good point, but how we gonna figure out whether they really believed or not? Maybe if they died, the answer was no.

Or maybe the victim becomes very literal, and while they are dying they testify "Doesn't HURT!"
:spit

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Exactly. It's self-fulfilling. All promises in the Bible can be handled that way. If you don't have a "sound mind" as promised, it's because you don't have enough faith. Healing, peace, power, joy -- they're all in that bag. Even though Jesus is the "author and finisher" of your faith, you're still to blame if anything goes wrong -- you didn't "allow" Jesus to give you the faith you needed. Or something.

:lol

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IF!----[Not go out and try it!

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Maybe if they can't swim, they are witches and if they can, they are so we burn them at the stake. Wait! That sounds familiar. :D

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That would be a No, then? "If" is in the question, after all.

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You're overthinking it. I think. ;) A reasonable way of reading the verse is something that the would normally be deadly will not hurt -- and not kill -- a true believer. It's a sign, after all.

Also, you seem to have answered "Other" in theological terms, which is fine. I simply answered "Yes" in terms of reality . It's what will happen if I drink a deadly thing. (Some believers agree, as it turns out. ;))

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Renee, if you accidentally drank a deadly poison, would it hurt you?

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Considering the whole premise of 'faith', how could they be otherwise?

Consider also another promise in the bible, from Hebrews chapter 6:

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

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One time I ate 6 cheese gut busters, fries and an apple pie from White Castle, then for a couple hours after, ate them again and again and again and lived.

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Are you saying that objects of faith don't have to be actually true? That if you trust God to, say, heal you of a sickness, that if you are not actually healed, then, uh, .... OK what are you trying to say?

Do you have faith that this will happen to me?

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Anybody going to vote No?

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Timmy Talk!
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...24#post1287624

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Jesus was talking about drinking the poison of the Pharisees.

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Of course he was. And as "signs" go, this is one of the most convincing of them all. I mean, how could anyone "drink" the "poison" of the Pharisees and not be hurt? Amazing!

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If you take the Bible literal you've literally been taken.

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Revelationist,
Does the above apply for the whole Bible, or just parts of it?

If "No, just some parts," who decides which are literal and which not?

OR if "Yes, all parts," then does it follow that all believers may interpret the words in whatever way suits them?

And how would you define "believer?" Do they have to believe any of the bible stories literally happened? If they do, why?

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Good point, I was hastily answering having Jesus' supposed words in view rather than the actual poll question in view. I should change my answer to "Yes" assuming the deadly drink was deadly ENOUGH.

On the other hand, "Don't Know" is good too, since I would hope to call CDC in Atlanta and ask whether there's a chemical antidote for what I drank.

Aren't there any AFF Christians who believe "No harm" in the common, literal sense?
:spit

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Well, even if you were rushed to the ER in time to save your life, it would probably still hurt. :thumbsup

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Still no No votes. Interesting.

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Maybe more of it than we realize ....

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I tried to make the questions specific and fair. But, okay, ducks are useful I guess. .:ernie