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The Church of God's Dr. Raymond Culpepper in his book "The Great Commission" states that "some pastors just want members to Pay up, Show up & Shut Up. As long as you do those things they are very happy. When you fail to achieve any one of the three they get critical and want to show you the left foot of fellowship."

Sad but true. Doesn't matter if you have credentials or not.

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So what's the deal? You aren't a "church" member anymore, why bother?

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The hope is that at SOME POINT men will get the message and begin the work of starting real New Testament Churches.

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So what's YOUR deal? Are you some kind of stalker of those who question the status quo you idolize so much?

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My O My Must have struck a little sensitive nerve. Naw, I'm no stalker, don't have the time or energy. But, if you were part of the UPC, saw problems in the UPC and didn't stay and fix the problems,, but left then WHY stand on the outside and point out the perceived failures.

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Because there are many more saints still going to those churches and struggling..

I knew a woman that said her pastor demanded she tithe her food stamps.

If I was Pastor and I really believed in Tithing, I'd go ahead and take it, then give it back to her with interest.

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Thank God, I'm a blessed person, evidently surrounded by blessed people because I have not witness this type of stuff first hand.

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Yes you struck the nerve I have against people who have no clue. I have not "left the UPC" per se. Still have my license. I have not changed my doctrine. Furthermore, I can't "fix something" a pastor does not want fixed. The principle of deferring to his leadership comes into play, and should.

But I have reached the place where I realize that Jesus will hold me personally accountable on my part in fulfilling his commission. If that means I must step out of anything that might hinder that, then I will.

per 'se

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I knew that. Yeah. But I just felt like doing it another way. Yeah that's the ticket. :heeheehee

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If the church was doing its job, the lady wouldn't need food stamps.

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Some people are too holy and don't play we'll with others.

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The great commission is to recreate Jesus. Are you doing that? If so your disciples would know how to heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils, cleanse the lepers. Jesus taught his disciples how to get heaven on earth.

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I do not agree with your definition completely of the Great Commission. Jesus said in Mark 16:15...

“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."


That is the commission. That is what WE are obligated to do. The rest is up to the hearers and God.

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Every great revivalist down through history was hindered and resisted by his church authority.

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The gospel isn't just how to get to heaven. Jesus was more concerned that the kingdom of heaven was exhibited on earth.

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If you preach the gospel an don't disciple your peeing into the wind.

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Finney, Spurgeon, Billy Sunday, John G Lake, Billy Graham would disagree.

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No, they would agree. Their church authorities did not exactly bestow their blessings on their message and ministries. They were, (at least by the definition of many in and outside of the OP ranks) "not in submission to their authority". My point being, sometimes we have to obey God rather than men. Their never would have been an Op movement in north America had somebody not resisted church authority.

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FWIW I have "a clue" as a matter of fact I have seen the evidence. :nod

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You say it, like that would be a bad thing :heeheehee