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canam 11-18-2013 08:04 PM

K now i had enough of George Z
 
This guys is really asking for it now , just arrested in seminole county ,domestic ,threatening ,gun in the face etc etc.

canam 11-18-2013 08:07 PM

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/18...cmp=latestnews

jfrog 11-18-2013 08:37 PM

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Does he have any defenders left?

crakjak 11-18-2013 08:59 PM

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Guess he is determined to go to jail!!
May not be guilty of murder, but is he free to live after the fact???

Some people grave the limelight and attention of, negative or positive seems to make not difference.

Abiding Now 11-18-2013 09:10 PM

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Mark O Mally is gonna be a very rich lawyer. :D

canam 11-19-2013 04:15 AM

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How does anyone even afford a defense like that?gotta be hundreds of thousands.

n david 11-19-2013 06:56 AM

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Bizarre. His new girlfriend calls 911 and claims he shoved a shotgun in her face. GZ also calls 911 and says his gun is locked up, but doesn't mention a shotgun.

Not sure what to believe. The last domestic disturbance, where his ex wife claimed he had a gun aimed at her turned out to be false (he wasn't even armed) and there weren't any charges. Now you have this woman claiming a shotgun was used and that GZ broke her table (though he says she did it).

I'd say if the police search the house and find a shotgun, GZ will get nailed regardless if it actually happened or not.

Unfortunately, GZ is a marked man because of TM. The girlfriend he has could turn on him and say whatever she wants in a moment of anger.

Lafon 11-19-2013 07:17 AM

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Because of the TM slaying & his acquittal of the 1st degree murder charges against him, GZ will never truly be free. The news media will cause any incident that he might become involved in, no matter how trivial, to be "Breaking News." According to our justice system one who is charged with an alleged crime is considered to be "innocent until proven guilty," but with GZ the opposite will always be the case. Sad, yet true.

Truthseeker 11-19-2013 09:40 AM

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Maybe he actually committed a crime this time.

n david 11-19-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1288505)
Maybe he actually committed a crime this time.

Or maybe he didn't. They've charged him with assault and battery. Unless this woman has evidence of the assault or battery, he should walk.

It's a case of she said/he said. She claims he broke a table, he says she did it.

Unfortunately this is something GZ will have to live with the rest of his life. Anyone he is around can now trash the joint, then point the finger at GZ and claim he pulled a gun on them.

Lafon 11-19-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1288505)
Maybe he actually committed a crime this time.

Yes, maybe its true that he did, but in the absence of an eye-witness to authenticate the girlfriend's allegation (according to the law) GZ cannot be convicted. On the other hand, when it comes to a conviction by the court of "public opinion," GZ will be deemed "guilty" merely by accusation. As for me, seeing that I am not an eye-witness to the "alleged" altercation between GZ and his girlfriend, I shall refrain from judgment.

jfrog 11-19-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lafon (Post 1288511)
Yes, maybe its true that he did, but in the absence of an eye-witness to authenticate the girlfriend's allegation (according to the law) GZ cannot be convicted. On the other hand, when it comes to a conviction by the court of "public opinion," GZ will be deemed "guilty" merely by accusation. As for me, seeing that I am not an eye-witness to the "alleged" altercation between GZ and his girlfriend, I shall refrain from judgment.

Since most murders are committed without an eye witness i guess we should okay murder as long as no one sees it. I mean how else can we prove it? Of course the thing with murderers is that they like to kill all witnesses sometimes...

This idea of he said vs. he said is well and good but when a guy keeps on getting in situations where there are no witnesses and keeps on being accussed of crimes i'd say there is something to some of those claims.

jfrog 11-19-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1288464)
Bizarre. His new girlfriend calls 911 and claims he shoved a shotgun in her face. GZ also calls 911 and says his gun is locked up, but doesn't mention a shotgun.

Not sure what to believe. The last domestic disturbance, where his ex wife claimed he had a gun aimed at her turned out to be false (he wasn't even armed) and there weren't any charges. Now you have this woman claiming a shotgun was used and that GZ broke her table (though he says she did it).

I'd say if the police search the house and find a shotgun, GZ will get nailed regardless if it actually happened or not.

Unfortunately, GZ is a marked man because of TM. The girlfriend he has could turn on him and say whatever she wants in a moment of anger.

Sounds like he learned from the TM case that if he calls the cops himself about the situation he thinks it will get him out of all trouble.

n david 11-19-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1288516)
This idea of he said vs. he said is well and good but when a guy keeps on getting in situations where there are no witnesses and keeps on being accussed of crimes i'd say there is something to some of those claims.

The September claim by GZ's ex-wife proved to be false. She accused GZ of pulling a gun on her and her dad and of destroying some device they were recording the confrontation with. Cops searched GZ and his car and found no gun. They didn't press any charges.

As I said before, he problem for GZ is that anyone now - including whomever he's dating - can, in the heat of the moment when they're made at GZ, can make up some story about GZ and mention he had a gun and GZ will be viewed as guilty.

n david 11-19-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1288518)
Sounds like he learned from the TM case that if he calls the cops himself about the situation he thinks it will get him out of all trouble.

How is that? His call to the cops about TM was the thing that almost put him in prison for life!

jfrog 11-19-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1288520)
How is that? His call to the cops about TM was the thing that almost put him in prison for life!

Without any call at all he would have been put in prison...

jfrog 11-19-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1288519)
The September claim by GZ's ex-wife proved to be false. She accused GZ of pulling a gun on her and her dad and of destroying some device they were recording the confrontation with. Cops searched GZ and his car and found no gun. They didn't press any charges.

As I said before, he problem for GZ is that anyone now - including whomever he's dating - can, in the heat of the moment when they're made at GZ, can make up some story about GZ and mention he had a gun and GZ will be viewed as guilty.

Right... every girlfriend is out to get GZ and tell the same lie on him. Maybe GZ is just good at hiding his gun.

n david 11-19-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1288529)
Right... every girlfriend is out to get GZ and tell the same lie on him. Maybe GZ is just good at hiding his gun.

Well the ex-wife has told enough lies to prove she can't be trusted or believed. As far as the new girlfriend, who knows. Perhaps GZ is playing the system; if so, he will eventually lose.

I'm not discounting that he could be guilty in this case. But he is a marked man and has to be careful who he trusts.

n david 11-19-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1288528)
Without any call at all he would have been put in prison...

That's a stretch. Without the call it was GZ's word against nothing. Prosecution has even less of a case without the 911 call. The call was the only thing the Prosecutor's had to try and twist to make it appear GZ was either racist or pursuing TM to make him pay.

jfrog 11-19-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1288537)
That's a stretch. Without the call it was GZ's word against nothing. Prosecution has even less of a case without the 911 call. The call was the only thing the Prosecutor's had to try and twist to make it appear GZ was either racist or pursuing TM to make him pay.

I know the tape was used to try and prosecute him. However I think the lack of any 911 tape would have been much more difficult to explain and ultimately hurt him more than helped. With the tape he at least looked like he was trying to get the police to look into that guy. Without the tape he appears a vigilante that doesn't even ask the police for help. I think not asking the police for help would be a bigger detail than anything said on the tape.

jfrog 11-19-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1288534)
Well the ex-wife has told enough lies to prove she can't be trusted or believed. As far as the new girlfriend, who knows. Perhaps GZ is playing the system; if so, he will eventually lose.

I'm not discounting that he could be guilty in this case. But he is a marked man and has to be careful who he trusts.

Fair enough. He is a marked man by the news media and others too. If this was the only time he had questionable accustation including a gun I'd tend to be on your side that it was just as likely a crazy woman making the claim as it was that the claim was true. However this makes 3 claims, TM the exwife and now the gf. I can't view each incident as singular and not related. There is a pattern. If there was some motivation for all the claims, like if ZM was rich and they might want his money it'd be easier to see these all as false accusations. But there isn't a good reason why all those people would be saying the same thing about ZM.


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