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Abiding Now 11-25-2013 10:16 AM

Medical Science Kills Another One??
 
Mother claims healthy son, 19, was killed by flu-shot after he fell into a coma just 24-hours after having vaccine

Chandler Webb, 19, fell ill one day after being given a flu-shot before a Mormon mission

Died after one month in a coma when his family decided to take him off life support

Doctors have not determined the cause of death

His mother, Lori, is convinced it was the flu-shot



By James Nye

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-vaccine.html

A bereaved mother of Utah teen is convinced her otherwise healthy son's death was caused by a flu-shot he was given the day before he fell ill - in a case which baffled doctors.

In the obituary for her son, Chandler, 19, Lori Webb said that her son was given his first ever shot on October 15th after agreeing to travel on a mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

However, the day after receiving the flu and tuberculosis shots, the Brighton High School graduate began suffering sever vomiting and was admitted to hospital in Salt Lake City where he fell into a coma 24-hours later.

'Sicker than he has ever been in his life. He says he's never shook so hard his whole life. He had the worst headache, throw up, and he slept for about two and a half days and didn't eat anything during that time,' said Webb to the Salt Lake Tribune.

Chandler was ultimately taken off life support after a month in a coma and he died on Tuesday after 28 days in the hospital.

Chandler Webb’s direct cause of death was swelling of the brain, his mother said.

But Lori claims that it has to be the flu shot because her had never been ill before.

'We're angry because we believe it's the flu shot that caused it,' said Lori to the Salt Lake Tribune.

However, Chandler's doctors have not discussed his case and public health officials repeated that the vaccine is safe and rarely has serious side effects.
Lori has decided not to have an autopsy, deciding that the results of a brain biopsy will be sufficient to determine the cause of death.

Chandler's medical team, which included six neurologists at Intermountain Medical Center in Murray, tested him for every conceivable illness - including Lyme disease and sexually transmitted ones.

'They checked every virus, every fungus, ever tick, west nile they even checked for rabies,' said Webb. 'And they can't find anything...it was the most senseless, senseless, death.'

'This was his first flu shot,' Webb said. 'He’d never had one before.'

I hate this. 'I hate that I have to bury my son.'

Utah Department of Health spokesman Tom Hudachko said the state is aware of the case but can’t verify the cause of death or whether it is investigating.

The health department also has no record of anyone from Utah dying from a reaction to the vaccine, he said.

'Like with other medical procedures, there can be side effects and adverse reactions,' he said.

'In the vast majority of those cases the side effects are not very severe — soreness at the injection site, low fever, achiness. Occasionally, yes, there are more severe side effects from receiving the vaccine.'

130 million people nationwide, nearly half of Americans, get the flu vaccine every year and side effects are extremely rare.

Out of those 130 million people, about 140 people report serious side-effects.

Chandler Webb was described as a healthy teen, who visited the gym five days a week before he fell ill.

Lori Webb described how as her son was taken off life-support she cut his hair for the last time and told him the story of 'The Three Billy Goats Gruff', just as she did when he was a child.

'I can’t describe how hard it is to lose a child,' she said

Esaias 11-25-2013 11:43 AM

Re: Medical Science Kills Another One??
 
The flu-shot is a total scam.

Abiding Now 11-25-2013 12:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1290041)
The flu-shot is a total scam.

How so?

ILG 11-25-2013 01:44 PM

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I have a thread on here about the mandatory flu vaccine and how I quit nursing school over it.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...datory+vaccine

houston 11-25-2013 02:01 PM

I got 3 flu shots in my early twenties. I noticed that those were the years that I got the flu. I stopped with the shots... No more flu.

jfrog 11-25-2013 06:08 PM

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I've also heard stories of people that survived a car wreck because they didn't have a seatbelt on. I guess we should not make seatbelts mandatory because some people may have had ther lives saved by not having them on.

The facts are that car wrecks without seatbelts are much more deadly than those with them. The facts are that the flu is deadlier than the handful of cases where the flu shot MIGHT have been deadly. The difference between seatbelts and the flu is that you having the flu can put others at a greater risk of death while not having a seatbelt on only puts u at a greater risk of death.

Abiding Now 11-25-2013 06:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1290114)
I've also heard stories of people that survived a car wreck because they didn't have a seatbelt on. I guess we should not make seatbelts mandatory because some people may have had ther lives saved by not having them on.

The facts are that car wrecks without seatbelts are much more deadly than those with them. The facts are that the flu is deadlier than the handful of cases where the flu shot MIGHT have been deadly. The difference between seatbelts and the flu is that you having the flu can put others at a greater risk of death while not having a seatbelt on only puts u at a greater risk of death.

Me, I just don't want to be part of the handful.:nod

ILG 11-25-2013 07:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1290118)
Me, I just don't want to be part of the handful.:nod

Me either. ;) And having formaldehyde, thimerosol and stuff injected into my body on a yearly basis just doesn't seem like a good idea. Everybody has to decide what is best for them and should have the RIGHT to. But now, people are mandating, get this, or lose your job.

ILG 11-25-2013 07:08 PM

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BTW, I don't think seat belts should be mandatory. I'm not hurting you if I choose not to wear one. I do wear one every time I get into the car but I don't think the government should have to babysit me.

jfrog 11-25-2013 07:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1290128)
Me either. ;) And having formaldehyde, thimerosol and stuff injected into my body on a yearly basis just doesn't seem like a good idea. Everybody has to decide what is best for them and should have the RIGHT to. But now, people are mandating, get this, or lose your job.

Just like they mandated to use your seatbelt or get a ticket?

jfrog 11-25-2013 07:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1290129)
BTW, I don't think seat belts should be mandatory. I'm not hurting you if I choose not to wear one. I do wear one every time I get into the car but I don't think the government should have to babysit me.

Well at least you are consistent...

I believe a company should be able to mandate whatever it wants as a basis for employment as long as it isn't something that is or should be protected against like color of skin or religious beliefs.

If you don't want I do what an employer requires then find another job.

Of course I also believe that if an employer requires you to do something that hurts or kills you that they should be held liable.

ILG 11-25-2013 07:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1290130)
Just like they mandated to use your seatbelt or get a ticket?

Pretty much only the flu shot forces me to inject stuff that I think is bad.

jfrog 11-25-2013 07:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1290132)
Pretty much only the flu shot forces me to inject stuff that I think is bad.

What I I think the seatbelt is bad or uncomfortable or cuts into my neck too much or even might kill me if I get in a wreck.

houston 11-25-2013 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1290071)
I got 3 flu shots in my early twenties. I noticed that those were the years that I got the flu. I stopped with the shots... No more flu.

anyone else have a similar experience?

jfrog 11-25-2013 07:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1290132)
Pretty much only the flu shot forces me to inject stuff that I think is bad.

Btw the flu shot isn't mandatory. It may be mandantory for your current job but it isn't for every job.

jfrog 11-25-2013 07:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1290138)
anyone else have a similar experience?

Why don't you test it for this year. Get 1 more flu shot and see if I get the flu?

ILG 11-25-2013 08:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1290136)
What I I think the seatbelt is bad or uncomfortable or cuts into my neck too much or even might kill me if I get in a wreck.

Don't wear it then. It's not going to bother me. :)

ILG 11-25-2013 08:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1290138)
anyone else have a similar experience?

I got the flu shot one yer and the flu really bad one year but I can't remember if it was the same year. My husband had a bad reaction from the flu shot though and so has my Dad.

jfrog 11-25-2013 08:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1290141)
Don't wear it then. It's not going to bother me. :)

And don't take a flu shot its not going I bother me ;)

ILG 11-25-2013 08:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1290139)
Btw the flu shot isn't mandatory. It may be mandatory for your current job but it isn't for every job.

Many people are being fired over refusing to take it all over the US ever since medicaid reimbursements are tied to 90% compliancy levels in clinics and hospitals. Follow the money. Nobody cared about the flu shot being mandated before that. All of a sudden you are a terrible person who wants to spread the flu if you don't put your arm out.

ILG 11-25-2013 08:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1290143)
And don't take a flu shot its not going I bother me ;)

I won't. ;)

jfrog 11-26-2013 03:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1290144)
Many people are being fired over refusing to take it all over the US ever since medicaid reimbursements are tied to 90% compliancy levels in clinics and hospitals. Follow the money. Nobody cared about the flu shot being mandated before that. All of a sudden you are a terrible person who wants to spread the flu if you don't put your arm out.

I totally agree that reimbursement money is likely the reason many hospitals and clinics are implementing stricter flu shot policies. I don't agree that just because reimbursement money is tied to such policies that it makes them bad policies. Monetary incentives can be used to further good policies. The question is whether its good for health care workers to take flu shots (given that someone in question does not have a good health reason for why they should be exempt).

So, lets talk about the pros for health care workers having flu shots and then lets talk about the cons.

Pros: Helps prevent spread of flu, Helps workers stay healthier so they can miss less work.

Cons: Side Effects

renee819 11-26-2013 05:42 AM

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My brother-in-law, about age 69, had never been sick much in his life, very seldom went to the Dr . (I remember 1 time) got a flue shot. He got the flue, which linger on for weeks. Then he got pneumonia. Then he had a stroke and never recovered.

I blame the flue shot.

ILG 11-26-2013 09:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1290174)
I totally agree that reimbursement money is likely the reason many hospitals and clinics are implementing stricter flu shot policies. I don't agree that just because reimbursement money is tied to such policies that it makes them bad policies. Monetary incentives can be used to further good policies. The question is whether its good for health care workers to take flu shots (given that someone in question does not have a good health reason for why they should be exempt).

So, lets talk about the pros for health care workers having flu shots and then lets talk about the cons.

Pros: Helps prevent spread of flu, Helps workers stay healthier so they can miss less work.

Cons: Side Effects

It helps prevent the spread of the flu so little that it isn't even funny. Standard precautions like handwashing are much more effective. They don't even know what strain is going to be around so they guess. The effectiveness rate is different for different age groups but it is low for everyone. Pregnant women are being forced to get the flu shot or be fired even though the insert says that it has not been proven safe for the fetus!! People who have had Previous reactions are also being forced. This is not dramatic hearsay, this is testimony from real people in real situations.

Evang.Benincasa 11-26-2013 10:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1290132)
Pretty much only the flu shot forces me to inject stuff that I think is bad.

Not stuff you "think" is bad, but stuff you KNOW is bad.

big difference sister, big difference. :thumbsup

Evang.Benincasa 11-26-2013 10:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1290203)
It helps prevent the spread of the flu so little that it isn't even funny. Standard precautions like handwashing are much more effective. They don't even know what strain is going to be around so they guess. The effectiveness rate is different for different age groups but it is low for everyone. Pregnant women are being forced to get the flu shot or be fired even though the insert says that it has not been proven safe for the fetus!! People who have had Previous reactions are also being forced. This is not dramatic hearsay, this is testimony from real people in real situations.

:highfive

ILG 11-27-2013 07:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1290387)
Not stuff you "think" is bad, but stuff you KNOW is bad.

big difference sister, big difference. :thumbsup

Well, yeah. I do know it's bad. ;)

Evang.Benincasa 11-27-2013 06:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1290435)
Well, yeah. I do know it's bad. ;)

:highfive


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