The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine
 

The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine

We teach there is one God manifest in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Jesus Only people teach that Christ is the Father, He is the Son, and He is the Holy Spirit. Hence, the name, Jesus Only. I believe we can provide proper evidence from the Word of God that this is not the case and that the teaching advanced by these people is erroneous and does not accord proper due and honor to the Godhead.

The Scripture does state there is one God. But the word “one” relates to unity as well as number. I John 5:7 clearly means one in unity, as does St. John 17:11-21. And yet there are three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Jesus Only proponents basically teach baptismal regeneration. In other words, the water saves. This teaching, plus the implication that if one is not baptized in the name of Jesus Only, their sins cannot be forgiven and they will be lost and burn in Hell eternally.

We teach and preach that the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience subsequent to Salvation. However, while we cherish the Baptism with the Spirit, we must reject the insistence of the Jesus Only people that the experience is necessary for Salvation. We believe that the Baptism with the Spirit is a part of our Salvation, but so is Divine healing: and while this is a great blessing, it cannot be labeled as a requisite for Salvation itself. There is a difference between that which we must do in order to be saved and those blessings that come to us because we are saved.

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Context tells us whether "one" is meant "One in number" or just "One in unity".

However the fallacy here is that the Trinity is supposed to teach God is numerically One..One Being and not Three Beings. Yet the Trinitarian seemingly argues against that notion by making "One" merely a Unity and many Trinitarians take that to it's furthest logical conclusion to argue it simply means a Unity of wills or a unity of agreement and not One numerical being.

Second in Greek it's not always just context but grammar. The Greek word for One has three genders. Hen (Neuter), Heis (Masculine) and Mia (Feminine).

Hen is the word most often used to mean a Unity but does not tell us what sort of Unity or what is being unified or how.

Heis is the word most often used to mean one in number and is used by Jesus when he quotes the Shema. Hear o Israel, The Lord (Yhwh) our God (Theos, singular), the Lord is One (Heis).

Notice also the singular THEOS and the singular verb "is"?

That is nothing to do with "Jesus Only" or the Theology you claimed we believe. Second it's not true that all Oneness people believe this and third, Historically your church, the Trinitarian church, has believed in Baptismal Regeneration right on up to Martin Luther

I don't know of any OP that believes it's the water that saves us. Rather it's our faith in Him (Jesus) when we are baptised

Again this is a loaded statement as not every OP makes such a claim. BTW this fellow probably believes JWs and Oneness and Muslims and Mormons and who knows who else are all lost and will burn in hell eternally too.

Reject that as you will, but this was supposed to be about the ERRORS of the Jesus only Doctrine (a title I reject) and I see nothing here by way of supporting such a claim. Merely stating what you believe or they believe does not prove it is error

Again merely telling people what YOU believe is not proving someone else is in error
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JSM.org? hahahahahahaha

http://jsm.org/

I was tempted to order this booklet. I changed my mind. Instead, I withdraw a bunch of cash from an ATM and passed it out randomly to ladies on the street. These ladies can now continue to thank jsm.org for over 20 years of support. Sorry Jimmy - you have to buy your next Jag with your own money dude.

Courtesy of 'Shiekh Google':

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-10-...jimmy-swaggart

Garcia, 31, told two television news crews that Swaggart, who was disgraced in 1988 after his contact with a New Orleans prostitute was exposed, picked her up seeking a date, a common euphemism among prostitutes for sexual contact.

"For sex, I mean that's why he stopped me, that's what I do, I'm a prostitute," she told KNBC-TV in Los Angeles. "He asked for sex," she said. "He was shaking."

In an interview with KMIR-TV in Palm Springs, Garcia said Swaggart saw a police car behind him and became agitated, swerving his 1989 Jaguar as he tried to hide pornographic magazines, causing caused him to be stopped.

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"Jesus Only" is the ultimate revelation of who THE CHRIST actually is.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

I am not ashamed of it. I rejoice in it.

Back in the 80's after coming into this revelation a Sister from the Jesus People days stopped by my house. She said the Lord had led her to stop and see us. I shared Oneness with her.

She told all out friends what I had done and was offended. She then sent the booklet "The Error Of Jesus Only" to my house.

It was weak and of no value and was discarded. In the passing of time my friend went to an Apostolic Church, got baptized in Jesus name and has been Oneness now for several decades.

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I always considered "Jesus only" a slur. It was coined originally I believe under the pretense we deny Father and Holy Spirit...Jesus only (Just the Son)

Yes, and a badge of honor to many pioneers of the message.

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And this is that spirit of antichrist...

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Maybe so but it lends itself to a misconception of what Oneness is and is not imo

Yep

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I don't consider it a slur. I consider it the truth.

If legend be true "Christian" was coined by the enemies of the disiples of Christ.

It COULD of course cause misunderstanding but so would anything else we might adopt.

I mean the term Oneness Pentecostal is hated with a passion among the Catholic and Protestant world. So Im not going to take offense at these things but embrace them.

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Trinitarianism is definitely antichrist.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22

When you understand the meaning of this:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

It gets easy.

The Christ Isaiah prophesied about would be BOTH the Father and the Son. If Jesus were not the Eternal Father he would have been a false Christ.

Christendom today by denying Jesus is the Father win this title of "antichrist" according to John.

Matter of fact "Oneness Pentecostals" or "Jesus Only" groups seem to be the only ones that get it right.

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Praxeas,
Being raised Oneness and attending various Oneness Churches throughout my adult life, I can honestly tell you that this is what the VAST MAJORITY of Oneness Pentecostal Preachers, Teachers and Pastors declare is the truth.

Don't try to paint Oneness Pentecostals as a group of doctrinally welcoming people. They aren't.

Give me the name of one Apostolic Pentecostal Pastor today in the UPCI, PAW or any other Oneness organization who will preach that one can be baptized in the titles "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" and still be "in the truth", "saved", or whatever word or phrase that implies a sense of equal ground in faith and salvation as the rest of the Oneness microcasm.

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In reality, a simple examination of Oneness Pentecostalism's erroneous theology puts basically all of Christendom in hell before the great revelation that a guy received in a dream that he told to others, which led to chaos, confusion, and division.

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Are you still at Apopka?

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There were people that wanted to divide based on baptism in the Apostle Paul's day. He called them carnal.

There were people that were offended and many things that other Christian believers allowed. The Apostle Paul called them weak.

The difference between the Apostle Paul's theology and Oneness Pentecostal theology is that Paul was at least willing to refer to the carnal and weak as brothers in Christ.

While Oneness Pentecostal theology makes it just about impossible for anyone else to be saved and be known and respected as a brother unless they believe and do exactly as the Oneness Pentecostals believe and do.

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No.

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Trinitarians do not deny Jesus is the Christ.

"The Christ" means what? The ANOINTED ONE.

In order for there to be an ANOINTED ONE, there has to be ONE who ANOINTS.

Jesus came from the Father and dwelled with the Father before His earthly birth.

This biblical fact is most problematic for Oneness theology, but it is true.

"The same was in the begining with the Father."


The thing is though, is that after all the discussing, most Trinitarians I have met over the years are willing to extend the hand of fellowship in love to other Oneness believers. Oneness believers usually reject the offer of fellowship because, "how can two walk together except they agree" and all the other scriptures they can think of to make sure that they remain set apart from everyone else.

After all, Oneness Pentecostals are saved, really saved. They have the truth. They are God's Gentile-Jews and everyone else is deceived, lost, and on their way to hell.

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What theology is erroneous? If all of Christendom refuses to believe in the doctrine of Christ he certainly has the right to reject them. What dream led to chaos and confusion? If you mean that JESUS is the NAME meant in Matt. 28:19 then you must be the one confused.

Rather it turned contradiction into revelation and chaos into order.

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Interesting. Who was the "guy"? J/W

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You do not understand that the one who was anointed is the same one who did the anointing. Maybe you once knew this. I don't know how many Trins you have met over the years but I talk to a variety of them regularly and I assure you almost ALL of the "Apologist" types believe Oneness Pentecostals are lost.

It is really problematic for Trins and others to have to face THIS as the test of the Christ according to Isaiah.

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

I have no problem saying the Son is the Eternal Father. Every time I do I am fulfilling prophecy! Those who reject it (cannot confess him as Father and Son) are also fulfilling Gods word.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

The doctrine of Christ=A Son who will be called Eternal Father.

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No it didn't.
That man brought confusion, heart ache, and division.

Maybe he was doing the will of God, but I won't tread to far down that path-- out of respect, and honestly, a little holy fear too.

After all, there wouldn't have been a Calvary without a Judas.

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I don't know his name, but he is the tool that was used initially to bring the separation of Christians of like faith and experience AFTER Azusa.

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Sad, but it looks like some need a revelation of the Logos.

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Don't know his name. OK, do you have a source for the story?

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The Catholics would say the same of Martin Luther. The Protestants would say the same Of Charles Parham.

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And by no means was he the first to know the great truth of "Jesus Only". The Roman Church was still in Oneness Faith for several hundred years that we know of before it fell.

was it MacAllister?

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I agree to that. And when they get it it will demolish Trinitarian error of plural Gods.

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Was it Bob? Was it Bob??

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My interest in this thread is to bring a sense of joy to the "Jesus Only" believer. They are made to be ashamed of something that is beautiful beyond compare and indescribably magnificent. Also sharing my personal experience with The Jimmy Swaggert booklet.

I teach Oneness very strongly. Not for the purpose of wishing anyone to be destroyed in Hell but that the truth may continue over time. The more we compromise it the weaker it will become.

I am thankful for the pioneers of this truth. In about 70 years it went from several hundred Ministers to millions of believers today.

I do not hate the Trins. I am still comfortable to associate myself as a "Charismatic" Christian. I had more men that I looked up to in Trinity Faith than in Oneness.

Altho I don't see many particularly "great" men among Oneness I am looking to JESUS, YESHUA THE MESSIAH and his teachings concerning this great truth.

As to who goes to Hell in this particular debate I stand firmly on this bottom line.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Rom. 2:12-16

God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ.

Meanwhile I will do my best to teach the Apostolic Gospel til that day. I want no mans blood on my hands.

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Absolutely! :highfive

it is plurality of God, not gods.

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Right, it called spiritual multiple personality disorder. :heeheehee

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If you want to PM me that's fine, but what happened? Did something happen at Apopka? They always seemed to be a more open minded church as it concerned Trinitarians.

Furthermore, the OP movement was well under way before that man's supposed revelation. It is unfair to claim the movement is built on that.

Just trying to see where you are coming from.

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Does the fact that some are extremists change the clear teachings of scripture? Are you basing your beliefs now on a bad experience?

Martin Luther was also accused of dividing the church. Does that make his teachings to be false?

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If you've ever read my posts, you'd know that I am at least one Apostolic preacher who does not do the things you are saying here. Remember, I came to the Lord in a Trinitarian Pentecostal church.

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OK here is one for the Trinitarians.
http://fullhomelydivinity.org/images...0otero%20a.jpg Which one is the Son which one is the Father, and which one is the Holy Spirit.

No man has seen God. Next

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HA! I bet they weren't trinny's lol