Are Jehovahs Witnesses Saved?
 

On the basis of one step doctrine have they not believed? If not why?

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JW's are an interesting bunch. I don't believe they have any hope with regards to being saved. Why? Well... both Oneness and Trinitarian believers see Jesus as being God. However, Oneness and Trinitarian believers debate on the details as to "how" Jesus was God. JW's deny the deity of Jesus altogether.

That's my opinion.

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No.

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In faithfulness to the Bible, I have to say, "No, the JW's are not saved."

They are the one group of religious people that I often wonder if I am justified in giving them cold shoulder, justified in not going out of my way to be kind to them, justified in not having a burden to pray or even care for them as people, because of their doctrine.

I have more tolerance for Hindu's and Muslims than for the JW's.

I am probably wrong on some level for this, but if I wasn't interested in being transparent, I wouldn't be posting under my real name. :search

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lol

If they are unsaved and don't understand that Jesus is God... is it not more necessary to love them? Be filled with Jesus and be an extension of Christ when speaking to them.

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On the basis of the 3 step doctrine, Mormons believe in repentance, water baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues.

Do you consider mormons saved??

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No. And they believe in the gift of tongues, not in the Acts 2:38 experience.

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They don't believe in the gift of tongues like we do either. They believe that if u can learn more then one language then u have the gift of tongues

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Exactly. I rushed to post that before running off to a meeting and wasn't able to clarify it.

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In keeping with the thread (although, I understand what MTD is trying to do..lol), JW's have not believed on the LORD Jesus Christ, so nope, they're not one steppers.

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What about the devils? They believe.

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http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1.7?lang=eng

The Articles of Faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Chapter 1
1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2 We believe that men will be apunished for their bown sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all bmankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

5 We believe that a man must be acalled of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of chands by those who are in dauthority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the fordinances thereof.

6 We believe in the same aorganization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7 We believe in the gift of btongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

9 We believe all that God has arevealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet breveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will dreign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be erenewed and receive its paradisiacal gglory.

11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own cconscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them dworship how, where, or what they may.

12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith.

Aren't these folks 3 steppers then? what makes them not saved?

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Ok, for clarification, one stepper means REPENTANCE & FAITH towards the Lord JESUS Christ.

Have the devils repented and put their faith in Jesus Christ?

The devils believe there is ONE God, because they know so.
Have they subjected WILIINGLY to his Lordship ergo one step?

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http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/tongues-gift-of

.Tongues, Gift of
See also Gifts of the Spirit; Tongue

A gift of the Holy Ghost that allows inspired individuals to speak in, understand, or interpret unfamiliar languages. We believe in the gift of tongues (A of F 1:7).

They were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues:Acts 2:4;

He that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not to men, but to God:1 Cor. 14:1–5, 27–28;

Tongues are for a sign to them that believe not:1 Cor. 14:22–28;

Then cometh the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost; and then can ye speak with the tongue of angels:2 Ne. 31:13–14;

Amaleki exhorted all men to believe in the gift of speaking with tongues:Omni 1:25;

It is given to some to speak with tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues:D&C 46:24–25; ( 1 Cor. 12:10; Moro. 10:8, 15–16; )

Let the gift of tongues be poured out:D&C 109:36;

Interesting stuff TGBTG.......

Looks like Mormons are a lot closer to 3 step apostolic than I realized. Is a merger on the horizon?

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If you actually talk to a Mormon about it, they don't believe how an Apostolic believes in tongues. Their writings don't match their actual beliefs. My area is FILLED with Mormons. There are two large Mormon Temples within 10 miles both south and west of where we live, along with a Mormon church on just about every street corner. They come to our neighborhood all the time, and I've asked many of them if they've experienced or believe in speaking in tongues. Most of them just stare at me like I'm speaking Chinese. Several have said they believe in a gift of tongues -- that being when a Missionary is able to learn a foreign language.

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Why do you say they have not believed in the Lord Jesus Christ? They themselves claim he is the Son of God and they believe God raised him from the dead.

So according to that understanding why are THEY not saved?

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No one steppers want to defend the one step? From what I can tell it seems Jehovah Witnesses are more "Christian" than the Evangelicals. They (JW) take the word of God far more seriously.

Evangelical one step Trinitarians basically give a license to sin and go on with their life. JW's actually teach discipleship.

Why give Trins a pass while excluding JW?

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I think you'd be hard pressed to find any Mormon church where people are speaking in tongues.

As far as I know they don't practice these things. They simply refer back to some writings years ago that claims some "prophet" spoke in tongues.

Of course you'd want a prophet to have experienced gifts

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They believe there is One God. They don't believe ON the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Michael how big is that brush you just painted with? I have met and know Trins who are broken over their sin and live a life separate unto the Lord!

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Isn't that two steps?

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Well I realize it was broad but not as broad as you may think. I have regular discussions with Evangelicals and believe me it is SHOCKING what many of them believe.

Practically all of them say they sin every day!Its one thing to be broken over your sin its another to cease from doing it.

I have no respect for the Evangelical Faith. I realize there are some spirit filled people there and that's why I keep reaching out to them.

My point is why do people exclude JW'S from salvation but accept Trinitarians? What makes the difference?

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Would it have anything to do with denying the deity of Christ?

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Oh? So it matters about who Jesus is? They say they believe he is the son of God. They also say God created the Universe by him.

What makes the Trinitarian version of who Jesus is better than their version?

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Once again I can't speak for all but as far as I know Trinitarians believe Christ to be God in the flesh. Do the JW's? You are correct they do believe Him to be Messiah.

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So now are you saying that we have to be correct about who Jesus is to be saved?

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Honestly I don't know that it is all that simple. I think we serve a big God with grace and mercy. He knows the condition of our hearts. I don't think that a perfect understanding of the Godhead is as important as our relationship with Him.

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Well that would be the bottom line concerning our own hope. In the meantime I think its up to someone to preach what Yeshua himself said about it.

3 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:23-24

There is something he said we have to believe about him or we will die in our sins.

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LOL. Did you really just quote John 8:23-25 as your prooftext that we need to believe that Jesus is God? John 8:23-25 is a passage about believing Jesus is the Messiah because in John 8:25 when asked about who he claimed to be Jesus says "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning." Who did Jesus say he was in the beggining? Search the scriptures for the beginning of Jesus' ministry and you will see that in the beginning he claims to be the Messiah only ;)

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Well yes that is my prooftext as a matter of fact!

Who is THE MESSIAH?

Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Unless one believes he is the Father and the Son guess what?

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He didn't say that there. He only said you had to believe he was the messiah. He didn't say you had to fully understand who the messiah was.

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The JWs and Mormons are both American religions originating in America in the last century.

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If you read the context of the discussion he said HE IS THE FATHER. He said unless you believe that you will die in sin. The text say thery understood NOT he spoke of the Father. So even tho they understood not....he still said what he said.

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Amazing isn't it? Religious folks didn't "get it" back then and 2000 years later religious folks STILL don't "get it". Makes me double THANKFUL!

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Good point, depending upon what exactly you mean by "originating." Given a strict definition of "originating," seems Apostolic Pentecostalism also originated in America in the 20th Century. Of course, OPs will disagree, just like JWs will disagree about where and when Abiding Now says they really first came from.

Considering the Long Dark Era where the most powerful winner (ie, Catholics) wrote the history books, then basically anything is unprovable and unfalsifiable regarding any sectarian claims about their origin. (That is, regarding various sects' plausible claims about what was really "original.")

So, why did an Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omniloving and Omnibenovolent God allow, no rather, demonstrably intend the Long Dark Era of Catholic rule, not to mention its literary dominance?

So, in the end, the Gates of Hell really did not prevail against the true gospel, at least not prevailing in consideration of the Azuza Street revivals and Oneness Revelations circa 1906? (Yeah, right!)

:icecream

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I am a firm believer that God's church has always prevailed. May not have been called Apostolic or Pentecostal, but there were folks receiving the Holy Ghost. Barton Stone was baptizing in Jesus name during the Cane Ridge Revival 100 years BEFORE Azuza.


The congregations where Stone labored agreed with and submitted to this new teaching on baptism. As Stone further studied, he and others came to believe that baptism “was ordained for the remission of sins, and ought to be administered in the name of Jesus to all believing penitents.”

Stone recounted a story when, at a meeting at Concord, mourners were gathering before the stand for prayers, but none found comfort. Stone pondered why they found no relief in this custom and the accompanying prayers. He recounted in his mind the words of Peter from Acts 2.38. Then he recited them in the hearing of all while reasoning, “…were Peter here, he would thus address these mourners.”

http://veritasvenator.com/2013/07/31...e-and-baptism/

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Ok, maybe you have pushed back a recorded account of Act 2:38 gospel (correct response) by some 60 or 80 years. No reference in the blog to WHEN this new take actually happened, but Google reveals the gentleman Barton died in 1844. So fine, let's accept this obscure account to probably predate Azuza Street by some decades. The question remains, what about the other 1800+ years where Catholics held all the cards and influence in behalf of the supposed god, and all according to the Omnipotent God's plan to reveal himself? No, all you really have to go on is your faith, ie, >> I am a firm believer that God's church has always prevailed.>>

Firm believer? Nice. Always prevailed? No, not according to what rest of the world thinks "prevailed" means. But go ahead, redefine what "prevailed" means. But I get it--preserve some kind of claimable geneology of the apostolic faith, at all costs.

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WHY would I care what "rest of the world (or you :D) thinks "prevailed" means"? And I sure couldn't care less what the catholic church thinks about ANYTHING. Admitted, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you're correct about one thing, my faith tells me Jesus was right when He said in Matthew 16:18 that the gates of hell would NOT prevail against His church, so me being a literalist, I just take it as an absolute.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.