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StillStanding 01-08-2014 04:32 PM
What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
We have been taught that there is sin, but an even more serious level of sin is an abomination. Assuming that all abomination are equal before God (no white-black) here is a list of abominations that I found:

1. a proud look
2. a lying tongue
3. murderers (hands that shed innocent blood)
4. wicked imaginations
5. mischievousness
6. a false witness
7. one that sows discord among brethren
8. homosexuality
9. One who justifies the wicked
10. One who condemns the righteous
11. women who wear men's clothing
12. men who wear women's clothing
13. business people who skew the weights for measurement
14. holy sacrifice given by wicked people
15. a devious heart
16. one who won't listen to the law
17. arrogant people
18. bestiality
19. adulterers

These are all called abominations in the bible! We have a habit of glossing over the ones that we aren't passionate about, and focus on the one's we can use to judge others. With that in mind, which ones are your favorites? :icecream:icecream

KeptByTheWord 01-08-2014 05:21 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
I would say that no abomination should be our favorite... the question is just... wrong!

:stirpot

Timmy 01-08-2014 05:38 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Snow crab.

Timmy 01-08-2014 05:43 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
No, wait. Bacon!

StillStanding 01-08-2014 07:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1296006)
I would say that no abomination should be our favorite... the question is just... wrong! :stirpot
I know that the question is provocative, but I want people to think about the abominations that are just as wrong as the ones that we use to judge others.

When we think of abominations, we put a lot of weight behind the sins of homosexuality, beastiality, false witness and women wearing men's pants, but almost ignore some of the others that hit closer to home! What about arrogance or a proud look? What about mischievousness or stirring discord among the brethren? Do we realize that those abominations are just a bad as the others?

Isn't it hypocritical to call out someone for homosexuality, yet arrogantly be causing discord among the brethren? Isn't it the pot calling the kettle black?

houston 01-08-2014 07:29 PM
SS,

It is argued that an abomination and an abomination unto God are not the same thing.

That is why they continue to misapply Deut 22:5.

Lying is an abomination unto God. That one is rarely enforced.

Jermyn Davidson 01-09-2014 06:19 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Beastiality is my favorite abomination to beat others over the head about.

Everyone agrees it is wrong and it is easy to declare how wrong it is without offending others!

Jermyn Davidson 01-09-2014 06:20 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Our society is not so bad as to demand the right to sodomize Fluffy.

StillStanding 01-09-2014 06:40 AM
The more I think about it, the word "abomination" in the bible could be replaced with the modern word " despicable". Some on the list were culturally despicable at the time, some were sexually despicable, but most were morally and behaviorally despicable.

StillStanding 01-09-2014 06:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1296033)
Beastiality is my favorite abomination to beat others over the head about. Everyone agrees it is wrong and it is easy to declare how wrong it is without offending others!
This is true, because we universally think of that behavior as despicable. We have no experience and don't love someone who has struggled with this. In other words, we have no emotional connection with this abomination! The ones on the list that might hit close to home, we just gloss over as if they don't exist! Ignore it and it doesn't exist.

Aquila 01-09-2014 08:32 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Some rabbinical scholars note that the term "abomination" sometimes points to a "ceremonial uncleanness".

KeptByTheWord 01-09-2014 09:01 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StillStanding (Post 1296013)
I know that the question is provocative, but I want people to think about the abominations that are just as wrong as the ones that we use to judge others.

When we think of abominations, we put a lot of weight behind the sins of homosexuality, beastiality, false witness and women wearing men's pants, but almost ignore some of the others that hit closer to home! What about arrogance or a proud look? What about mischievousness or stirring discord among the brethren? Do we realize that those abominations are just a bad as the others?

Isn't it hypocritical to call out someone for homosexuality, yet arrogantly be causing discord among the brethren? Isn't it the pot calling the kettle black?
I see what you mean, thanks for clarifying... we prefer to highlight the physical abominations that are easy for us to recognize, hate, and talk about... but the abominations that come out of the heart are not so easily recognizable perhaps, but just as much an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, perhaps more so.

I would say homosexuality is the "top" abomination that is recognized and talked about. Probably the next on the list, would be the women and men wearing each other's clothes, especially in OP circles. And the rest are mostly forgotten about... which I think is what you are trying to point out.

Problem is that humans as a whole are able to judge each other by appearances, or at least think we can. Judging the condition of someone's heart is not so easily done, and so therefore, the outward physical appearances remains the easiest thing to judge one another by.

I would like to add this.... that when Jesus walked this earth, he did not spend his time addressing outward physical issues. I don't believe homosexuality was even once addressed directly by Jesus in the gospels. Correct me if I'm wrong. Jesus never corrected anyone for having the wrong clothing on, or wearing jewelry, or a woman with makeup on.

To my knowledge, Jesus never singled anyone out because of their outward appearance... but He ALWAYS dealt with a heart issue they had instead. He never minced any words, and called the Pharisees all kinds of things because of their HEART condition.

We would do well to understand WHY Jesus did this... and then seek to apply that principle to our own lives.

KeptByTheWord 01-09-2014 09:21 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by houston (Post 1296015)
SS,

It is argued that an abomination and an abomination unto God are not the same thing.

That is why they continue to misapply Deut 22:5.

Lying is an abomination unto God. That one is rarely enforced.
I did a study on this a while back. Here are the scriptures that I was able to find that specifically mention "abomination unto the Lord" or "abomination unto God".

1. All unrighteous are an abomination to the Lord.

Deuteronomy 25:15-16 But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God.


2. The froward is an abomination to the Lord.
Proverbs 3:32 For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous.


3. He that justifieth the wicked is an abomination to the Lord.
Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.


4. A false balance is an abomination to the Lord.
Proverbs 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.


5. Again, the froward are an abomination to the Lord.
Proverbs 11:20 They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight.


6. Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord.
Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.


7. The way of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord.
Proverbs 15:9 The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.


8. The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord.
Proverbs 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.


9. Divers weights are an abomination unto the Lord.
Proverbs 20:23 Divers weights are an abomination unto the LORD; and a false balance is not good.
Proverbs 20:10 Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD.


10. That which is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.


11. A graven or molten image is an abomination to the Lord.
Deuteronomy 27:15 Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.


12. The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord.
Proverbs 15:26 The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the LORD: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.


13. Proud in heart an abomination to the Lord.
Proverbs 16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.


14. A blemished sacrifice is an abomination unto the Lord.
Deuteronomy 17:1 Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.


15. Money made from prostitutes used for a vow is an abomination unto God.
Deuteronomy 23:18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.


16. Men and women wearing each other's clothing is an abomination unto the Lord.
Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.


17. A man remarrying his wife whom he put away is an abomination before the Lord.
Deuteronomy 24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.


18. Using the silver or gold from burnt idols is an abomination to the Lord.
Deuteronomy 7:25 The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.


19. Burning fire to other gods is an abomination unto the Lord.
Deuteronomy 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

StillStanding 01-09-2014 11:22 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1296062)
I see what you mean, thanks for clarifying... we prefer to highlight the physical abominations that are easy for us to recognize, hate, and talk about... but the abominations that come out of the heart are not so easily recognizable perhaps, but just as much an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, perhaps more so.

I would say homosexuality is the "top" abomination that is recognized and talked about. Probably the next on the list, would be the women and men wearing each other's clothes, especially in OP circles. And the rest are mostly forgotten about... which I think is what you are trying to point out.

Problem is that humans as a whole are able to judge each other by appearances, or at least think we can. Judging the condition of someone's heart is not so easily done, and so therefore, the outward physical appearances remains the easiest thing to judge one another by.

I would like to add this.... that when Jesus walked this earth, he did not spend his time addressing outward physical issues. I don't believe homosexuality was even once addressed directly by Jesus in the gospels. Correct me if I'm wrong. Jesus never corrected anyone for having the wrong clothing on, or wearing jewelry, or a woman with makeup on.

To my knowledge, Jesus never singled anyone out because of their outward appearance... but He ALWAYS dealt with a heart issue they had instead. He never minced any words, and called the Pharisees all kinds of things because of their HEART condition.

We would do well to understand WHY Jesus did this... and then seek to apply that principle to our own lives.
I think about the fact that it was the religious people who brought the woman who was caught in adultery before Jesus to get his opinion. According to the written word of the law, this woman was to be put to death. We find out that Jesus' purpose on earth was not to condemn, but to save. He knows there is nobody, and I mean none of us that are without some level of behavioural sin in our life, maybe even an abomination! Our human nature is to judge others, but Christ's nature is to save others.

IMO, to be more Christ-like, we should not use scripture as a tool to condemn or judge others, but rather use scripture in a positive way to help save them. Here is the way of salvation. I'm not condemning you for where you are right now. Go and sin no more. Seek the way of righteousness.

ILG 01-09-2014 11:26 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
The abominable snowman would be my favorite. :D

shazeep 01-09-2014 11:27 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by houston (Post 1296015)
...It is argued that an abomination and an abomination unto God are not the same thing.
interesting; got any more on this?

StillStanding 01-09-2014 12:27 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1296052)
Some rabbinical scholars note that the term "abomination" sometimes points to a "ceremonial uncleanness".
The term "ceremonial uncleanness" seems to relate culturally. I can see where that might apply to Duet 22:5.

StillStanding 01-09-2014 12:28 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1296155)
The abominable snowman would be my favorite. :D
:thumbsup

Jermyn Davidson 01-09-2014 02:34 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
It is an abomination to sleep with Mr. Snuffaluffakus-- regardless of your gender identification!

StillStanding 01-09-2014 03:29 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1296201)
It is an abomination to sleep with Mr. Snuffaluffakus-- regardless of your gender identification!
It depends on what you mean by the word, "sleep"! :nod

Sasha 01-09-2014 04:24 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1296201)
It is an abomination to sleep with Mr. Snuffaluffakus-- regardless of your gender identification!
Or Big Bird.

Jermyn Davidson 01-10-2014 06:19 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasha (Post 1296255)
Or Big Bird.
Or Elmo.

KeptByTheWord 01-10-2014 09:34 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Amazing how fast threads like this can get off track, to avoid discussion of the issue.... ;)

Adam 01-10-2014 10:32 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1296385)
Amazing how fast threads like this can get off track, to avoid discussion of the issue.... ;)
A whole lot of this abomination going on in this thread:

5. mischievousness

crakjak 01-10-2014 10:53 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
The doctrine of men, to teach the ridiculous, spiritual terrorism of endless conscious torture by God of his own creation. This abomination has cause more spiritual failure, mental breakdowns and wars, human suffering in general than any other single sin or evil.
This doctrine is actually at the root of almost all evil in the world.

crakjak 01-10-2014 10:55 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1296385)
Amazing how fast threads like this can get off track, to avoid discussion of the issue.... ;)
It is almost impossible to have a substantive discussion with folks these days, especially on this form. Comedy takes the seriousness of a subject right out the window.

Sasha 01-10-2014 07:58 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1296353)
Or Elmo.
Or Gordon AND Maria.

Dordrecht 01-10-2014 09:17 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1296402)
It is almost impossible to have a substantive discussion with folks these days, especially on this form. Comedy takes the seriousness of a subject right out the window.
....yup. Noticed this already a long time ago.

Timmy 01-10-2014 11:49 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1296009)
Snow crab.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1296010)
No, wait. Bacon!
Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1296402)
It is almost impossible to have a substantive discussion with folks these days, especially on this form. Comedy takes the seriousness of a subject right out the window.
I was serious!

Jermyn Davidson 01-11-2014 09:15 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1296402)
It is almost impossible to have a substantive discussion with folks these days, especially on this form. Comedy takes the seriousness of a subject right out the window.
Please feel free to continue your serious discussion.

I'd like to engage you in this.

crakjak 01-11-2014 10:13 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1296401)
The doctrine of men, to teach the ridiculous, spiritual terrorism of endless conscious torture by God of his own creation. This abomination has cause more spiritual failure, mental breakdowns and wars, human suffering in general than any other single sin or evil.
This doctrine is actually at the root of almost all evil in the world.
Jermyn, feel free to give a serious and substantive response to my serious post above.

Timmy 01-11-2014 10:18 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1296508)
Jermyn, feel free to give a serious and substantive response to my serious post above.
And/or my serious posts. :thumbsup

Timmy 01-11-2014 10:28 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1296401)
The doctrine of men, to teach the ridiculous, spiritual terrorism of endless conscious torture by God of his own creation. This abomination has cause more spiritual failure, mental breakdowns and wars, human suffering in general than any other single sin or evil.
This doctrine is actually at the root of almost all evil in the world.
Not sure about "almost all", but I agree with the gist of this post. Teaching that God will torture you forever if you don't follow the instructions that some men have written down centuries ago, to those who believe it, causes a lot of problems. A lot!

Consider when a loved one dies "lost". Believers are required to believe that soul went to hell and will be tortured forever. And they have to believe that loved one deserves that endless punishment! There isn't even universal agreement on the "age of accountability" doctrine, if the loved one was a young child, nor on what that age actually is, even if the doctrine is true.

Furthermore, many believers don't really know if they themselves will escape that infinite pain. Many factors involved, but basically, they realize that there are many different and even contradictory methods of salvation, and they know they can't be sure they have picked the right one. Even if they guessed right, they can't be sure they followed the instructions correctly. Even if they did, they can't be sure they won't mess something up before they die.

Why aren't Christians depressed and in despair? Well, actually, some are. More than we know, I would guess. (Some can hide it pretty well. I know I did, usually.) And the ones that aren't? Well, good for them. But I think it indicates, for most such believers, they don't really believe everything they say they believe. It's the only explanation I can come up with, anyway.

crakjak 01-11-2014 10:37 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1296512)
Not sure about "almost all", but I agree with the gist of this post. Teaching that God will torture you forever if you don't follow the instructions that some men have written down centuries ago, to those who believe it, causes a lot of problems. A lot!

Consider when a loved one dies "lost". Believers are required to believe that soul went to hell and will be tortured forever. And they have to believe that loved one deserves that endless punishment! There isn't even universal agreement on the "age of accountability" doctrine, if the loved one was a young child, nor on what that age actually is, even if the doctrine is true.

Furthermore, many believers don't really know if they themselves will escape that infinite pain. Many factors involved, but basically, they realize that there are many different and even contradictory methods of salvation, and they know they can't be sure they have picked the right one. Even if they guessed right, they can't be sure they followed the instructions correctly. Even if they did, they can't be sure they won't mess something up before they die.

Why aren't Christians depressed and in despair? Well, actually, some are. More than we know, I would guess. (Some can hide it pretty well. I know I did, usually.) And the ones that aren't? Well, good for them. But I think it indicates, for most such believers, they don't really believe everything they say they believe. It's the only explanation I can come up with, anyway.
1.Leviticus 18:21
And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through the fire to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I am the LORD.

6.1 Kings 11:7
Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon.

18.Jeremiah 32:35
And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.’


It was a heathen practice of burning their children. Will God do that to His Creation? Of course, God will not.
__________________

crakjak 01-11-2014 10:45 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Badejo View Post
CJ it has never been an abomination to punish the wicked. You're trying to equivocate infanticide with justice. Two totally different arguments.

CrakJak responded: "Jesus also, said to forgive 7X70 in one day, guess you'll you'd equivocate on that as well?? Will He do what He commanded of His disciple? Or will He not forgive the wicked? Is His arm too short to save all? Or will He succumb the evil one or is it the almighty "free" will of a man??

Fact is the world is not very conducive to human righteousness, and that was by God's design. But He is not finished in this life with believers or non-believers, He will complete what He started, by redeeming the whole creation."

Don't let the spirit of the elder brother overtake you.

FlamingZword 01-12-2014 11:00 AM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1296034)
Our society is not so bad as to demand the right to sodomize Fluffy.
you mean to tell me, me and fluffy can't have a special relation, we love each other so much, it is not fair.

I will have to lobby congress and demand that we be allowed to have our special relationship blessed by the churches otherwise they will lose their tax exempt status. :foottap

Timmy 01-15-2014 12:08 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1296552)
1.Leviticus 18:21
And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through the fire to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I am the LORD.

6.1 Kings 11:7
Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon.

18.Jeremiah 32:35
And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.’


It was a heathen practice of burning their children. Will God do that to His Creation? Of course, God will not.
__________________
Not sure how you can be so sure of that, given that God, according to the stories written and placed in the canon of scripture, has done many things that would have been unthinkable and evil had humans done them. And he ordered certain humans to commit acts that would have been horrible atrocities, if they had done them on their own volition and not under orders from God.

God's ways are not our ways.

mizpeh 01-15-2014 02:14 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
I agree with Timmy...but I like fried clams and ham.

Timmy 01-15-2014 03:17 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 1297131)
I agree with Timmy...but I like fried clams and ham.
:highfive

Dordrecht 01-15-2014 03:47 PM
Re: What is Your Favorite Abomination?
 
My favourite abomination is reading Timmy's posts.


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