The Curse that Follows Talent....
 

I was recently speaking with a freind of mine here locally and we were discussing some recent events in a well-known UPC musicians life and he said a part of the problem musicians have is they become so removed from service that they no longer feel God. (NO IT WASN"T THAD!!! )

He said Talent at times is a curse because even if they mess up or do something terrible we or somebody put them right back on the platform.

He said and it's true a Minister has to Pray for the anointing and if he doesnt' you know it... Musicians don 't... they can get up and play and everybody else prays but wouldn't know the difference because of their talent.

And nobody says anything... if they do and the person leaves they can go somewhere else get right up on the platform and play...

Any thoughts out there on this???

Oh boy...

hmmmmm.... i will refrain from commenting on the subject....

Come on... say whatchugonna say.... :search

Me, too?!

Good musicians can play well but still without the anointing on them they are ministering only entertainng.
Clubs are filled with great musicians but they aren't anointed and they ain't ministering only entertaining.

I know of a drummer who doesn't have the Holy Ghost.

He has been playing since he was young and since he is always playing the drums he never really has gotten involved in the services.

He has said that he wishes he could get it... and we have prayed with him...

But... as you say... he has been so removed from the services for so long that it is hard for him to feel anything.

This would seem to be something that is more a personal issue though... I am involved in the music program (singing, sax etc) every service and I know many others that do this as well and being involved in that part of the ministry is the catalyst for them feeling the spirit more because they are so personally involved in the worship.

I am talented at doing laundry...is the curse MORE laundry??? :13loads

Why is it always the musicians/singers that get labeled and dumped on?

I was sent some mess in an email about music devils or something, dumb. I heard a message years ago, "I love my daddy, but I hate his message," again, dumb!

What about preachers who preach in the flesh? They don't study. They don't pray.

They'll spend most of the weekend out on the golf course, print out a message script from some online sermon archive, or whatever message happens to be popular with their preacher-friends and use that instead of getting on their knees before God and getting a message from Him.

What happened to all the rumpled, wrinkled and worn-out knees on the suit pants of preachers?

Why is it always the musicians and singers?

And yes, I'm a musician and a singer. *grin*

Personally I think musicians should pray before getting up on the platform.

Praise God you and my wife have the same ministry gift.:13loads

40 Loads at one time???


A Spray Hose and Some Simple Green??? :D

We all done heered bout your laundry.... :D

Tha's not mold kids that a new design Mommy came up with.....

and the smell...thas jus you!! :D:D:D

The Mrs just don't do any money laundering and you'll be ok.

REVRANDY ,I bet Revshoney has alot of your smelling fishing clothes to wash.

Hey we were at a Tai rest with some friends from church and its next to a
huge car wash.You can see the car wash through these big glass windows.
One of the brothers said he was waiting to see if a truck with the dishes and silverware was going to go through the car wash.Too funny!!!


BTW send the woman money for washing soap.:13loads

I agree with you! I also think they should also be involved in more than just music ministry. Whether it's outreach/visitation or something else.

I've seen just as many talented orators/preacher .... who know how to play the crowd

Did Samson have much of a prayer life as Judge of Israel .... and did it affect his "anointing" .... I am not minimizing the importance of having a prayer life ... just asking us to consider what is meant by anointing

Yet I have seen this problem in Pentecost ... for a long time .... there is a "dumping" on musicians .... some of it warranted and some of it an attempt to deflect ....

Samson (minus the p!) was a Judge of Israel??? :huh


I know, I know...I found the REAL curse that follows my talent. :doh

You are leaving me no choice but to post that thread on chatiqette ....little Missy. :club

I am a musician and a minister as well.Nothing should be done without prayer.
I have seen alot in the last twenty or so years and alot of failure follows not alot of prayer.God has to come first but you must also practice.Its a combination.The first priority a musician has is to worship God with his or her
talent.Its not for audience approval but for Jesus.You have to keep focused.
I have seen groups of people kept up until fifteen minutes before service
for practice and only have fifteen minutes of prayer.The result? none.
Talent is operating in soulish power.We need Gods power.The worst musician
and most horrible singer if they season it with hours of prayer will see a move of God.Its focus.God does not give his GLORY to another.The glory is Gods.

I know churches that hire their musicians and don't care how their walk with God is. I would much rather have anointing than talent. If you can have both, GREAT! But if I had to choose, I would choose anointing any day. We have had talent before without anointing, and it's not pretty!!

Amen I agree.

preach it!

I disagree that we cannot tell when a singer/musician is not anointed. There are many wonderful voices out there and people who can make the organ/piano get up and walk, but most with a discerning ear can tell the difference. There is something stirring in your inner beings which lets you know...you just know.

When measured in the balance of God's economy, I believe anointing is greater than talent, however, I believe we can, and should have both.

The OT muscicians were cunning (I Chron. 25:7). The word used didn't mean sneaky, it meant trained or expert...they studied and went to classes to minister before the Lord.

They were trained in the school of the prophets and prophesied with their instruments (I Chron. 25:1-3).

They operated with such anointing in the dedication of the Temple, praising with one voice and one sound, that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud...anointing.

Ability and performance alone did not produce this...it was the unction of the Spirit of God.

If our music does not heal the wounded soul, soothe and comfort the broken in heart, or restore to a right standing with God, it is just pretty singing and nice music…it sounds good, but it’s just not right.

I need to stop here because this is a subject that I am passionate about...

Amen!!

Give me anointing if I can choose...Seen both ways...but I try t encourage and help (usually pay) classes for those in this ministry and usually end up buying them their instrument...
I have seen it go to people's heads but that is about true in any thing...

I have taught a few music seminars in this city, and after opening remarks, reading of Scripture and prayer, I always ask everyone to turn to the person standing near them, and say, "You're SO much better than me!!"

I then tell them that saying that with meaning and remembering it will keep them from what I call 'the big head spirit'.

If I could sing the birds out of the trees and truly make the piano get up and run around the building, God is not impressed.

He is looking for hearts and motives that are right...

The Curse that Follows Talent...


I'm safe. :D

Seriously, if I understand it right, Judah, the tribe of the Praisers, was in the front of the camp (right behind the Levites) and so would have to often meet the enemy before most of the camp.

Singers and musicians are in the forefront and the enemy will do whatever to destroy or discredit "leadership".

As far as talent is concerned, it's a sad day indeed for the Church when talent takes the place of the anointing in the pulpit or the choir and we have all seen that in every circle of fellowship.

Talent without dedication is DANGEROUS.

Absolutely!!

I guess I question what many consider to be the "annointing" so that complicates things a bit.

Well, I would say the anointing is the ability and power to heal, soothe, comfort and restore. It's the anointing that destroys the yoke, so that was why I wrote...

If our music does not heal the wounded soul, soothe and comfort the broken in heart, or restore to a right standing with God, it is just pretty singing and nice music…it sounds good, but it’s just not right.

The same would hold true for our preaching and teaching. If it's not about changing lives, what are we doing?!

And of course, it goes without saying that the first changed life should be our own. God forbid we stand to minister in any capacity in the sanctuary with dirth hands.

I guess I don't have to worry 'bout no curse.....................:lol:lol:lol

EXACTLY!! Bravo!!! :rockband