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Praxeas 02-04-2014 04:24 PM

23 Million Jobs lost due to ObamaCare!
 
The longterm effect of ObamaCare on the U.S. economy took a grim turn Tuesday with the Congressional Budget Office issuing a revised projection that nearly 2.5 million workers could opt out of full-time jobs over the next 10 years -- allowing employers to wipe 2.3 million full-time jobs off the books.
Budget experts say that because ObamaCare offers an insurance alternative to employer provided coverage, many Americans who hold full-time jobs may decide to work part-time -- or not at all -- and get their coverage from the exchanges.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...s-report-says/

KeptByTheWord 02-04-2014 08:47 PM

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And what is going to happen to those 2.5 million people without full-time jobs...

Jermyn Davidson 02-04-2014 09:10 PM

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Also in this article:

"At the beginning of this year, we noted that as part of this new day in health care, Americans would no longer be trapped in a job just to provide coverage for their families, and would have the opportunity to pursue their dreams," he said. "This CBO report bears that out, and the Republican plan to repeal the ACA would strip those hard-working Americans of that opportunity."

How many times have you heard of someone working at a place, not because they like the job or their wages, but they are there for the insurance?


The report also predicted the U.S. budget deficit would fall to $514 billion this year, down substantially from last year and the lowest level by far since President Obama took office five years ago.


No need for the Republicans to mention this positive aspect of "Obamacare" either. Just focus on the negative and everything will be alright.


:Nhl_check

Pressing-On 02-05-2014 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1300010)
And what is going to happen to those 2.5 million people without full-time jobs...

They will sit around allowing the taxpayer to subsidize their lazy life and continue voting Democrat while being a drag on the economy as well.

ILG 02-05-2014 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1300038)
They will sit around allowing the taxpayer to subsidize their lazy life and continue voting Democrat while being a drag on the economy as well.

Pretty soon, who will the taxpayers be to subsidize all this? Everyone will be "pursuing their dreams"??

Pressing-On 02-05-2014 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1300041)
Pretty soon, who will the taxpayers be to subsidize all this? Everyone will be "pursuing their dreams"??

Certainly, and if marijuana becomes legalized across the country, the dreams will be big! :heeheehee

Seriously, how does it make sense to set aside money for retirement, discretionary spending, etc. when your work hours are cut in half? And how does that promote a healthy economy? And what percentage of these people are going to actually pursue an entrepreneurial dream? We've seen how well that has worked under the welfare system. We also saw how that worked when my husband was on unemployment for a few months. We had to pull the money out of savings. Now we are having to build that back up.

KeptByTheWord 02-05-2014 08:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1300038)
They will sit around allowing the taxpayer to subsidize their lazy life and continue voting Democrat while being a drag on the economy as well.

:nod Yup.... and you're right... the number of people who are working to fund the welfare system will soon be a part of it... then where are those $$ going to come from?

KeptByTheWord 02-05-2014 08:53 AM

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Our family went through a financial difficulty last year. We had paid unemployment taxes for years. However, when we needed to get a few unemployment dollars (that we had faithfully paid in) guess what, the state we lived in had just passed a law saying that corporate officers of a corporation would not be eligible for unemployment $$, even though they continued taking our unemployment tax dollars!!!!

We never got ONE RED PENNY of unemployment $$ because our state had passed a stupid law taking that away from us.

To make matters worse... there is a federal law which in effect means that if you choose not to pay state unemployment taxes, you are subjected to a higher federal tax bracket, which in effect means you "save" money paying the unemployment taxes to the state, rather than paying the higher federal tax. NUTS!!!!!

So, we are caught in the dilemma, of paying unemployment taxes to the state (of which we will never get a penny of) in order to not pay more money to the feds.

We never got one penny of help from the government when we suffered a loss of income last year. Not one penny. We too drained our savings to keep afloat, and it will take us years to recover.

Oh yeah... the government loves hardworking folks like us! We pay our taxes, and fund the welfare system, following the American entrepreneurial spirit that supports dead beats. The American economic system is not sustainable, and I fear for the difficulties our kids will have to face because of decisions being made now.

deacon blues 02-05-2014 09:24 AM

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President Mitt Romney sounds even better now than it did in November 2012.

Suckers.

Pressing-On 02-05-2014 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1300065)
President Mitt Romney sounds even better now than it did in November 2012.

Suckers.

Along with the other GOP Establishment Republicans, he is fighting against the Constitutional Conservatives. He doesn't sound better now. You appear to be sucked into the lie.

What we have before us is a Constitutional crises. In order for the people to rise up, it needs to come to a head. Romney would have done nothing but move along with the status quo.

I saw a clip of his documentary where he is ironing the sleeve of his shirt. LOL! What a crock. I can't imagine people fawning over a staged documentary. He isn't going to allow them to release anything he deems unfavorable.

I'd much rather have the fight before us today. If the Left wins and the GOP Establishment doesn't fight for us, which appears to be the case, we have lost already.

Fortunately, the American people are, regardless of what the news is saying, waking up.

deacon blues 02-05-2014 05:11 PM

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PO PO PO, still trying to convince yourself that people like yourself not voting for Romney as a matter of principle versus the greater principle (IMO) of keeping the disaster that the Obama presidency has become (as many of us knew) from happening.

With all of the issues I had w Romney, they were a far cry less than Obama. Your logic follows the same line of thinking that says that the Holocaust was worth it because it paved the way for the nation of Israel.

Romney would not have steered America in such a horrible direction. But you'll never agree with that. It's okay. Those of us who know will keep scratching our heads at the twisted logic.

Anything but Obama would've been much much much better. The direction he's taken us I'm afraid in many ways is irreparable.

Pressing-On 02-06-2014 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1300169)
PO PO PO, still trying to convince yourself that people like yourself not voting for Romney as a matter of principle versus the greater principle (IMO) of keeping the disaster that the Obama presidency has become (as many of us knew) from happening.

With all of the issues I had w Romney, they were a far cry less than Obama. Your logic follows the same line of thinking that says that the Holocaust was worth it because it paved the way for the nation of Israel.

Romney would not have steered America in such a horrible direction. But you'll never agree with that. It's okay. Those of us who know will keep scratching our heads at the twisted logic.

Anything but Obama would've been much much much better. The direction he's taken us I'm afraid in many ways is irreparable.

Deacon, Deacon, Deacon, Romney lost the election and talking about how much you miss him isn't going to bring him back.

Pressing-On 02-07-2014 10:49 AM

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Great article! :thumbsup

Obama's Work Trap

So let me get this right. Team Obama taxes millionaires who create jobs, while Obamacare creates incentives not to work at those jobs. No wonder recovery is so anemic. The policy here is to create fewer jobs and induce people to work less at those jobs. If my logic is correct, this runs counter to the most basic principles of our economy and our country.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ap_121494.html

Pressing-On 02-07-2014 11:18 AM

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EXCLUSIVE — Rand Paul: When Will Obama Start Caring?

Americans dream of having jobs that give them enough hours to take care of their families, including providing for their healthcare. Obamacare puts a significant dent in that dream, and Mr. Carney should be ashamed of himself for trying to pretend this disastrous policy is somehow a “choice” for workers.

Obamacare has been many things, but giving Americans more “choice” is not among them. It is a mandate on all of us.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-obamacare-cbo

Pliny 02-07-2014 11:24 AM

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Obama's executive orders are anti-constitutional. The problem is I am not sure what is worse. Obama rewriting laws or a Congress that lets him. As President He does NOT have the authority to change laws, in effect writing laws. Only Congress has that power. His office is supposed to enforce those laws but he refuses to do that as well. Why hasn't he been impeached is my only question.

Pressing-On 02-07-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pliny (Post 1300548)
Obama's executive orders are anti-constitutional. The problem is I am not sure what is worse. Obama rewriting laws or a Congress that lets him. As President He does NOT have the authority to change laws, in effect writing laws. Only Congress has that power. His office is supposed to enforce those laws but he refuses to do that as well. Why hasn't he been impeached is my only question.

I agree - Congress who is allowing it has the onus on them at the end of the day.

deacon blues 02-11-2014 09:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1300226)
Deacon, Deacon, Deacon, Romney lost the election and talking about how much you miss him isn't going to bring him back.

No it won't change what's happened, but there are future elections and I hope conservatives and people w traditional values and constitutionalists will consider that sometimes, sometimes having to vote to keep someone from power can be a, albeit less desirable, virtue.

If we don't have a candidate we are thrilled with, we can cast a ballot for them if the contrast between them and the liberal candidate is stark. As unhappy I was about MR being the GOP candidate, his presidency would've been far far better than what we have now.

Let's try to employ long term thinking into our voting rather than short sighted rationalizations.

deacon blues 02-11-2014 09:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1300544)
EXCLUSIVE — Rand Paul: When Will Obama Start Caring?

Americans dream of having jobs that give them enough hours to take care of their families, including providing for their healthcare. Obamacare puts a significant dent in that dream, and Mr. Carney should be ashamed of himself for trying to pretend this disastrous policy is somehow a “choice” for workers.

Obamacare has been many things, but giving Americans more “choice” is not among them. It is a mandate on all of us.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-obamacare-cbo

Pulling for Rand in 2016!!!

Pressing-On 02-11-2014 09:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1300994)
No it won't change what's happened, but there are future elections and I hope conservatives and people w traditional values and constitutionalists will consider that sometimes, sometimes having to vote to keep someone from power can be a, albeit less desirable, virtue.

There's that "lesser of two evils" mantra once again. :nah We shouldn't have to make that choice in America, Deacon. I wouldn't consider Rand Paul the lesser of any evil. So, that makes a good candidate, if the GOP Establishment allows it.

Quote:

If we don't have a candidate we are thrilled with, we can cast a ballot for them if the contrast between them and the liberal candidate is stark. As unhappy I was about MR being the GOP candidate, his presidency would've been far far better than what we have now.

Let's try to employ long term thinking into our voting rather than short sighted rationalizations.
Our country is in a Constitutional crises, Deacon. You need to roll with it. Obama on stage is showing everything wrong with Liberalism, and it is showing WHO in the GOP Establishment is willing to fight. That's not a bad thing. It needs to be done and wouldn't have been done with MR in office, who passed everything, as Governor of MA, that Obama wanted and is passing now.

deacon blues 02-15-2014 07:40 AM

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The logic of lesser of two evils is a far cry better than the logic of allowing the greater of two evils to prevail and do irreparable harm to our great nation.

Romney would've had conservatives and Tea Party types to answer to in the congress...the GOP at least has a conservative voice and influence. Obama had two years of complete support from the legislative branch. The seeds were sown for the disaster we are now mired in.

I can't change what's happened. I'm
Just trying to point out the flaw of "teaching the GOP
a lesson". While we split the vote, Democrats win and keep moving the goalposts to the left. With a GOP candidate we at least have a chance for influence. With a Democrat, no chance at all.

Please don't make the same mistake in 2016.

shazeep 02-15-2014 08:09 AM

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:lol

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21Samuel listened to all the people’s words and then repeated them to the LORD.  22“Listen to them,” the LORD told Samuel. “Appoint a king for them.” 

Pressing-On 02-15-2014 08:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1301360)
The logic of lesser of two evils is a far cry better than the logic of allowing the greater of two evils to prevail and do irreparable harm to our great nation.

Romney would've had conservatives and Tea Party types to answer to in the congress...the GOP at least has a conservative voice and influence. Obama had two years of complete support from the legislative branch. The seeds were sown for the disaster we are now mired in.

I can't change what's happened. I'm
Just trying to point out the flaw of "teaching the GOP
a lesson". While we split the vote, Democrats win and keep moving the goalposts to the left. With a GOP candidate we at least have a chance for influence. With a Democrat, no chance at all.

Please don't make the same mistake in 2016.

I may have taken your view if I had not seen the dishonesty coming from the GOP Establishment during the Primaries and at Convention. I may have held your view if I had not seen their weak fight against the Democrats - especially concerning Obamacare. They seem to be complicit.

And don't forget that ORomney also stated that his healthcare model in MA would do well for the nation. LOL! Then he acts like, "Oh, it was a state rights issue." Hilariously dishonest of him.

One lesson that Rand Paul, Mike Lee and Ted Cruz have learned - if you are honest, expect the GOP Establishment to side and fight against you. Hello, Karl Rove, the epitome of the GOP Establishment.

Hang the GOP. And I will NEVER promote nor advocate such a ridiculous mindset as voting for the "lesser of two evils". That is why our country is in the condition that it is in.

Go big or go home - Ted Cruz is going big. If the GOP Establishment sends him home, it clearly shows their political dishonesty. They deserve to lose.


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