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"Revival happens When the pastor and the praiser make a Holy Ghost connection." - Cort Chaviss

Silly me! I was under the impression that "revival" was the result of a spontaneous and unprovoked reaction of the Holy Spirit. I had no idea that "revival" could be triggered with a formula.

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Unity usually has great results, which is his point.

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It's still rhetoric in an effort to generate an emotional short-term response.

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I suppose it would depend on where you are in your allegorical journey - hell, purgatory or paradise, as to how you want to interpret the comment. :heeheehee

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Oh, stop! You're so silly.

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I am assuming you take your forum name seriously. It means that whatever view you decide to take on anything you post is going to come from those three perspectives, which really means, you're a cynic first.

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why cynic? Dante arguably provided a prescient view of reality in Inferno; one that can be backed up by Scripture, even.

I missed the part where God is mentioned here... What does the Pastor and praiser "connection" have to do with it? The statement is just flat out wrong, IMO. I'd like to have more context, but that statement is incorrect.

From this statement, I doubt he knows what revival actually is.

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Uh oh... another "context" battle between n David and PO... I guess I'll get me some :girlpopcorn


:heeheehee

:lol :nah

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hmm, seems like they are agreeing here tho. i can't help but see Emo Concert at this pastor's definition of Revival myself.

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There is no place called "Purgatory".

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:heeheehee

The context is unity, David loses again. :heeheehee

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well ok, i agree; but there arguably is no place called heaven, or hell, either. funny tho, the 'purgatory' thing is what most bothered me by the story at the time; and yet we have ample evidence for 'levels' of heaven and hell in Scripture, that run counter to our intuited, childish perceptions of them, and so in a sense 'force' a need for a purgatory, if that makes any sense?

Is this a tweet, or part of a message; and if so, is it online?

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personal revival requires no intermediary, is possibly what i dislike about the quote the most.

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Purgatory makes you feel better that you have some time left to get your act together after you die. At least that was my perspective as a Catholic - pass me another beer, please. :heeheehee

Mentions in the Bible:

Heaven - 550

Hell - 54

Purgatory - 0

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Men cannot bring revival, start revival, or control revival.
Only God brings revival.

I have heard many say: "Let's have revival this morning". Etc.

As if revival is something that can be started by men.

Wait, so it's not a result of a Pastor - praiser connection? :lol

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... Revival will happen when ____________ (fill in the blank with your definition of revival).

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It certainly can't be denied that when a group comes together in unity and purpose, God does perform.

Think about the Upper Room. What if they had not obeyed God and joined together in faith and prayer, while tarrying for the promise they didn't quite understand? Would the Holy Ghost have been poured out?

What about the towns that wouldn't receive the Apostle's doctrine? What did Jesus tell them to do? "...shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them..." Mark 6:11

It appears that unity of faith is paramount, IMO. Even if only two or three are gathered...

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I'm thinking of the Day of Pentecost, when they were all "in one accord and in one place", and had been praying together for many, many days, as the greatest example of how revival can take place.

Acts 1:14 "These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren"
Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place."

So my definition of revival, according to the above passages: Revival will happen when all are in one accord in one place.

So yes.... PO... unity is the best "context" here! (imo)

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Absolutely right.

But it's not something that can be planned
by a group of people….as: let's have revival next week tuesday and thursday. And possible on sunday night.

There are many things that encourage a revival to start,
but it's certainly not in the hands of men to decide if, when and where
it would start.

On the other hand, men can stop revival,
specially when christians become mechanical in their attempt to promote it.

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Amen.
sure, i agree--but understand my point there is that we have a very black/white view of heaven/hell that seems engendered by Scripture in some spots, and refuted in others; so Purgatory becomes possibly an effective device, if nothing else?

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I think you are on the wrong thread with this post. :-)

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Well, I don't know. The people in the Upper Room "planned" to meet and stay there. It was effort on their part. They had to walk to the location, together, in unity. Just sayin'....

I think your point goes more toward, "“I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.” Luke 19:40

Revival will happen regardless of those that reject it. But, still, those that are prepared to be obedient, "planned" to be obedient. It does take a willing vessel to be used of God. Isn't planning really only expectation?

I still take the original quote as a point of "unity" of mind.

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I agree. :thumbsup

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Do you know what a revival is? Let's take the word part shall we? Revive comes from the Latin roots re-, meaning “again,” and vivere, meaning “to live.” So, the word revive means “live again.” No, bringing folks back from the dead isn’t what we are talking about. All the backsliders who once had eternal life but now have eternal death may be brought back to life. So, I would assume that a revival would be one or more people being either save again after backsliding and we can broaden it for all who are saved. So one or more person receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost would be a revival of sorts.

I've been to his church, I've talked to him, I've seen his congregation, and I've heard him preach. He certainly does no what a revival is. Within 9 months of him starting his church in GA, he had over 100 regularly attending Sunday and Wednesday services. That's more than what a revival calls for. And when two or more are gathered together, which is what he is saying, there is no telling what God will do.

Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. (1 Chronicles 16:22 KJV)
You are verbally harming his ministry by talking ill of him to the public. I wouldn't recommend doing this. Just a warning.

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Yes, they "planned" but were instructed by the Lord to wait
to receive power.
That's how I understand it anyways….

There's a lot of "political correctness" in many churches today which prevents revivals.
To much political correctness being preached from the pulpits.

Just my two cents….

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I don't disagree with that. But, still, I take the original point as unity. Because I know that to be true even in a marriage. Unity works very well.

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Well, yes, I agree.
There cannot be revival without Christians being in unity.

(In One Accord…..not all in the Honda, lol)

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I agree. The whole point is unity is key

Way to completely take the verse out of context!

Warning!?! Surely ye jest.

Harming "his" ministry?? Since when is it HIS ministry.

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:heeheehee :thumbsup

I would agree that unity could bring revival; however revival neither requires unity, nor needs more than a single individual.

To say revival can only come with unity isn't entirely correct. People can be in unity and be without revival.

Revival doesn't need a Pastor and praiser to make a connection.

Revival isn't about numbers.

I really hate the term "revival." Anyway... If everyone had their own personal revival (like I am experiencing) there would be a corporate revival.

One issue with the group revival mentality (other than the term) is that everyone is waiting on someone else in the group to start it. Well, the devil got some folk real good with this religiosity.

The multitude who shouted, "Crucify Him!" were in unity. Just saying...

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Pretty low expectations, I would say. What else could you hope to gain if you couldn't achieve anything with the ultimate goal of unity.

If the Word had not said, “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” Matthew 18:19-20, I might have agreed with you.

But there are a lot of things in the Bible which are conditional, including our salvation - when Jesus tells the Jews that "IF" they continue in His word, they will be His disciples. Which means if they don't continue, they won't be.

Paul teaches that we will be holy, unblameable and unreproveable in His sight, IF we continue in the faith, grounded and settled.

So, to some degree, revival is conditional as well. Because someone is going to be present who is in agreement.