Please Explain the Silencing of the Women
 

When the scriptures literally state in the New Testament for women to be silent in church and to not usurp authority over a man in church, how should we apply that in 21st century American Christianity?

What did it mean back then and how should we apply that scriptural concept (or even command) now?

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Oh boy. You mean you don't want to read through 1000s of posts describing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ad nauseum why the blessed and holy apostolic twin brothers believe women must be SILENT in the church?

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The same way this scripture should be applied.

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Take the whole counsel of God. Great, women should be silent in the church (and it's not talking about a building). Now that women are silent, where's the laying on of hands and the sick recovering.

See, it's relatively easy to keep women silent in a religious setting, but it's a whole nuther thing to have signs following those very same men who keep the women silent.

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Are you saying that those who seem to take the scriptures most literally do not have signs and wonders?

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Seriously JD...we have a hot topic on this already

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Yes.

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Interesting. Essentially saying this: If we take God's word so literally that it becomes letter and law instead of spirit, it is very likely that the miraculous nature of God won't be involved. Correct?

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Good observation.

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Where?

I apologize. I didn't do this on purpose. Feel free to close and/or delete this thread.

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You know, that was my first time even visiting that thread.

Please delete this thread, or merge it or whatever it takes to make things right.


Sincerely,
JD

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save yourself some pain; here's a synopsis :loland you forgot "while ignoring any posts replying to their posts that they can't answer with the 2/3 verses they learned at Oral U :D

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That's not true. I've read through that thread and they have responded to everything with Bible.

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You surely meant to say "their interpretation" of the Bible, along with references to biblical scholars that "they" agree with, and all other biblical scholars expressing a different view, are noted by them as unworthy to be considered for discussion.

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well, i asked one of the Rs to kindly provide the original for I prohibit a woman from chattering in church, or lecturing to or lording it over a man. but perhaps i missed it. the point being that the original words will be exactly the same--and while i've forgotten some great examples for this, any pastor can tell you that many verses are quite difficult to translate, or arrive at a consensus as to meaning on, and examples of individual Scriptures translated in their two (we'll say) divergent ways yields two completely different meanings, even differences in subjects and verbs. i'll dig up a couple of examples--they are striking in their differences. Context usually aids in determining which is meant (iow, where to put the breaks in the original, i believe is the point here), and over and above that, what you might translate "don't speak" may as easily translate "don't gossip" or "don't chatter" or others, even. The context of that verse seems indicative, to me:

"And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is a dishonest thing for women to speak in the congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out one}."

this just reeks of a woman interrupting a sermon to challenge a fine point, and being 'dishonest' (or other interpretations @ dishonest, again!), rather than holding her tongue and asking her husband, her spiritual guide, and the one whose interp she will ultimately follow, or be crossing God anyway.

the one for women preaching (where 'lecture' possibly comes in) shows a similar context, at least to me.

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Trust me... when it happens, it can't be explained.

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oh, c'mon, sure it can. archie bunker expressed the dynamic perfectly; "edith, stifle yourself."

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ROFLMBO!!!:highfive

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:throwrock

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The man that says he has silenced a woman is a liar.

Just sayin. :happydance

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It certainly would be something amazing. Right up there with the virgin birth!:happydance:icecream

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I just wanted to say that I am so thankful for the truthtellers on this forum that refuse to allow women to preach or teach. I mean, it's downright obvious what the truth is here. We know what the Word of God says. People just need to listen, unlike the Jezebel preachers who want to flaunt their feminism everywhere. We really need to learn to do God's will and be barefoot and pregnant like thus saith the Word of God.

Titus 2:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

We need to learn to obey like we are told. Yes that means obey your man. Don't flaunt yourself. Don't ask for anything. Don't need anything unless your husband agrees. We know what he needs. Just do it and don't complain. He doesn't know what we need and we can't teach him because we are not supposed to teach men. So we need to live with it.

1 Timothy 2:12
King James Version (KJV)

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

You can't teach your husband and you are in sin if you try.

1 Tim 2:15

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Here is your answer, feminists of this day. You will be saved in childbearing. You don't need to preach or teach, have a career or even use your mind. Just give your husband what he wants and you will get what you want: pregnant. Yes, that's right. So then you can be saved.

Woe to those who twist the Word of God. Woe to the feminazis.

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HA!...HA!

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woe to feminazis, amen; but to a fruitful female pastor, likely only called due to a lack of responsible, awakened male influence? sorry, that is just preaching death, imo.

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The only fruitful a woman should be is pregnant.

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Thank you Emma for the WORD OF GOD you just spoke (I dare not say preach cause I don't want to get you in a whole lotta hot water!) But it does my heart good to know that if I am to be saved in childbearing, I must get busy about the kingdom. My husband will be pleased, I'm sure, to bear me more children. What a relief to know that's all I need to do to be saved!!!!!!!

:hanky

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At last a sensible post about women and silence. Thank you. :clap

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hey, i attend a mennonite church. i agree with you guys on some level--a level which we do not currently occupy. the many oblique references to women drawing water, baking bread, et al, for men should tell an observant student of spirituality something, and it is blasphemy, imo, to assume that one can judge another's fruitfulness. That is God's place. who are you to condemn a fruitful ministry? you should be ashamed.

“Go, gather all the Jews to be found in Susa, and hold a fast on my behalf, and do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my young women will also fast as you do. Then I will go to the king, though it is against the law, and if I perish, I perish.”

"To everything under heaven a time, and a season." please already

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Emma B. is not Mennonite. She is Amish.

So, how is the Mennonite church working out for you?

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I'm sure you shared all of Emma's helpful teaching with your wife. Be sure to let us know when the baby shower is. :D

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I am always happy to set those straight who veer from the true path. It is not me, it is God's Word. Anybody can read it and see for themselves. I am only holy as He makes me. I am His humble servant, washing the feet of my sistern and obeying my husband in all things and never, ever teaching him.

Just as Sarah called Abraham, Lord, we should treat our husbands as Lords over us, obeying him in all things, so if any are lost, they can be won just by our meekness. And those that are saved can Lord it over us as they please because Christian men never do anything wrong and always treat their wives perfectly.

(I need to go, my husband wants his dinner NOW!)

Emma

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I'm going to start calling my husband Lord. I believeth that will maketh him very proud.

And, I'll be sure to invite you to the baby shower. Pray for twins, quadruples even. I'd like to make every moment count towards my salvation.

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You mean you don't call him Lord already?? I am afeared for your soul, sister. I am glad you are seeking repentance.

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Ah; well, i came back to say that her position is great, and i agree with it. However, she has by God's Grace, or keen insight, come out of the world, and into a dedicated fold with sound shepherds. I wonder how she might feel if one of them was sexually abusing her, and his eldest son carried on the tradition until she got too old. Now i don't know if this would alter an opinion about the lawful, correct interp up there, but i do say that it might be giving slight to To everything there is a season and purpose, which might be stretching that verse some; but it might not.

It at least smacks to me of assuming one has a better definition of everything than God; and i think the point of the ambiguity is "don't judge." So i don't know about ashamed, but understand that there are others walking--or crawling--toward God, and He is not accusing them as far as i can see. peace to you, sister.

The Mennonite ladies seem free to remark in the church i visited several times, but it was a 'city' Mennonite church (pop 50,000). I thot it was cool. they were very relaxed. the congregation was very small, 8-12 of us, and so the reflections were not as comprehensive as i might have preferred, but other than that i would prefer to be there, or the Hidden Church of the Holy Cross--which is my little joke way of saying "there, or wandering around behind the little animals."

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lol

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You seem to be addressing multiple concepts in one sentence, and it is hard to follow you. First you commend "Emma" for being Amish/Mennonite, and then begin to speak of sexual abuse? Not sure what you meant by that, and I cannot comprehend why you mention "to every thing there is a season" while you are also speaking of sexual abuse!

Secondly, have you really lived inside an Amish or Mennnonite community? Unfortunately, there is darkness, and evil present in those communities, even as any other gathering of believers. Satan knows no boundaries in pushing his agenda, and perhaps it is even worse in closed minded, legalistic communities, because those involved are not allowed to reason or think for themselves, but simply must conform.

We have become very close to a former Amish family. They became born again while Amish when a revival swept through Lancaster County, PA nine years ago. Because of being born again, they were ex-communicated from the Amish! Cut off from their families, shunned, and some terrible things happened to them. Yet, they are the most loving, kind, wonderful people of God you will ever meet. They are on a journey, as are we all.

But, they didn't find their peace in either the Amish or Mennonite groups. They found it in Jesus, and Jesus alone. As we must all.

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While I was seeking repentance last night, I had a vision and the Lord called me to be a preacher. I don't know what to do about it. What should I do? If I disobey His calling, how shall I ever stand before Him with the blood of lost souls on my hands? Your godly advice is needed now, more than ever, dear Emma.

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We know you are wrong about this because the Word says so. Are you sure you were seeking repentance and not to do your own will? Visions can be from the enemy of your soul. You know you need to be pregnant and calling your husband Lord and never teaching him. Now just do it and put these ridiculous notions out of your mind! If you don't listen to me you are backslid, soon you will be bitter and have an axe to grind. Don't argue. Don't ask questions. Do the right thing!

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My wife calls me lard.

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meaning that the death centric gentile church, in the client nation of the us, has not a finger to point at misconduct in the RCC, is what i mean, and it is the men's fault. you all put down JO bc he doesn't preach like his daddy--but he did not want a thing to do with the est'd church, and now i know why he wished to decline (to wander off into another non-sequitur.).


sadly, while i did not mean to connect those, but the rise of women whose season was come to the decline of the men responsible, there is also sadly a connection there.
ya...but no one must do anything. my prayers are with them, as obviously satan sees it fit to attack them with their own tv show; yet i bet they are better than most. very legal tho, ya.
well, then i guess any shunners will be shunned. i fthey left because they were seeking Christ, then sounds like it worked out fine. i didn't realize it was that bad, yikes :lol