Do you have to speak in tongues to be saved?
 

Do you have to speak in tongues to be saved?

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When you get the Holy Ghost you will speak in tongues, absolutely!

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I'm still on the fence about this.

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I voted yes but I would like to clarify. You have to speak in tongues for full salvation.

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Simple Question:
Do you have to speak in tongues to be saved?

Simple Answer:
No.

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What do you mean by "full salvation"? A person either goes to heaven or hell.

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When a person believes they become righteous, justified and the blood is applied. They will go to Heaven and God will judge them. Everyone baptized in Jesus Name and baptized in the Holy Ghost have already entered the Kingdom of God, they are born again and a new creation. That's my two cents. Wasn't really trying to start a whole conversation.

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So, in your view, there are three groups of people on earth:

1) The unsaved

2) Those who have the blood applied and are saved, but aren't born again and aren't in the Kingdom of God, they're not a new creation and will be judged at after death

3) Those who have been baptized in Jesus name, baptized in the Holy Ghost, are born again, are a new creation, and now living in the Kingdom of God and will not be judged, as those in #2 will be, after death

Both #2 and #3 are children of God though?

Not trying to argue, just haven't really heard that view before and trying to understand your position. If that is your position.

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Yes

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As far as group 2 I would not say they are saved but rescued. Yes this is pretty much what I believe.
Search the "Light Doctrine" or "holy, righteous, and wicked" doctrine"

Eventually I will start a thread on this to lay out my position.
I wasn't trying to hijack the thread. Sorry.

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Thanks for your response. The UPCI website mentions the term "full salvation" and this could be what they mean by that.

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i never fully understood the significance of speaking in Tongues. from my understanding it is a result of one being overcome by the Holy Spirit and speaks in a different language. this would e similar to when the Lord speaks through a profit. its hard for me to believe that only those chosen by the Lord for him to speak through would get salvation. there may be laws of man that claim this but i dont think there are laws of the Lord that state this.

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I do not believe that a person must speak in tongues to be saved but if they do not speak in tongues they do not have the Holy Ghost but these are two of three distinct works of grace performed by God in us.

The 3 works being:

1. Salvation- being justified and declared righteous

2. Entire Sacntification- being made entirely holy ( carnal nature removed)

3. The Baptism with the Holy Ghost- When God comes in and takes full possession of our lives

These three are all instantaneous subsequent works.

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I voted yes, because the Word says that if a man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he doesn't belong to Christ. (Romans 8:9)

However, I don't like the wording of the question as it causes a person to seek the gift and not the Giver.

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What's a better way to ask it, then? How about:

Does God have to make you speak in tongues to save you?

:D

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LOL! He has a plan to keep us in contact with Him, through His Spirit, but forcing it wasn't a part of the plan. He just wanted to be our Comforter. I've always thought it was pretty awesome of Him.

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I'm still not sure I know an answer for this question. The book of Acts seems to make a good case for new converts speaking in tongues when they were filled with the Holy Ghost, but I'm not sure I understand how so many have come to the conclusion that this means every time anyone ever receives the Holy Ghost they have to speak in tongues.

If it is true that tongues are absolutely necessary, it's strange in my mind that God chose something like tongues that can be so easily and unintentionally faked.

Also, in Acts it seems we can assume that tongues always happened just like they did on the day of Pentecost. Tongues were languages known to others. I'm no linguistics expert, but most tongues I hear don't sound like they could possibly be any language.

This is why I'm so afraid to be dogmatic about this issue. I definitely feel that people can make a case for tongues using the book of Acts, but what about the rest of the epistles? Tongues are comparatively rarely mentioned. Something that your salvation hinges upon should be pretty clear in my mind.

I would argue a greater case can be made for salvation being related to water baptism than tongues.

There should be a third voting option, "I don't know."

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Timmy, your poll is really inadequate. You should have an option for, "I don't know", or "Fruit of the spirit necessary to be saved"... or something like that.

Reason being is that there is not a scripture in the entire NT that specifically states "when you speak in an unknown tongue or language you are filled with the Spirit, and therefore saved."

There are many, many more scriptures for the necessity of baptism being a salvational issue.

My personal opinion is that we should rather look for the fruit of the spirit in believer's lives, as opposed to just listening to see if they speak with tongues. I've heard too many "speak in tongues" but their works, and actions were evil. I've known many, many others who demonstrated beautiful fruit of the spirit, who did not have another language given to them.

So, because of this... I would say that baptism is not optional throughout the NT writings, but that the real test if one is filled with the Spirit would be the fruit, and not the tongues.

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:icecream

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Yeah, I usually include "Other", but this time I figured hey, why let them cop out? This is salvation we're talking about! You either know what's required or you don't! And if you don't, well, I don't know what to tell ya. :lol

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But yeah, you're right: I should always have an "I don't know" option. :thumbsup

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BTW, did you know that there are quite a few here who don't know for sure if they're saved?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=20984

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I wonder if the folks mentioned in Matthew 7:21-23 would have answered "100% sure" to that poll. :hmmm

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I think most will say, "I don't know what else I could be doing to make heaven?"

We can name all the areas and situations in this world where needs have not, as yet, been met, and not one of us could fulfill them all. I can be friendly to my neighbor, but I can't make them listen to a Bible study or go to church. There isn't anything I can do until and unless God opens a door. We get all hung up on not doing enough. Timing in God's kingdom will further His Kingdom more and faster than us standing around ringing our hands that we haven't done enough.

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Well, yeah. But I thought there wasn't enough you could do to be saved. You know, saved by grace, not by works? You're not one of them legalists, are ya? :lol (No, I get it, and that was your point, I guess. Right? :))

So. Are you 100% sure?

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I am 100% sure.

I am not a saved by grace person. That, IMO, gives the idea of once saved always saved.

There are three works mentioned in the Bible:

• Dead works - living without faith.
• works of the law - Jewish law
• faith with works - working reality and points to obedience.

We need to make sure we are talking about faith with obedience. It takes obedience to continue in the faith. That is not a work to earn anything, but to remain faithful. We have responsibility in the Kingdom of God.

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Wow then how were you saved?

Eph2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

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Of course, you can't dismiss James 2:14-23, regarding faith with works and Abraham.

God does offer us grace - his graciousness, but our obedience to faith is necessary for us to be saved. He doesn't stand there offering grace with no type of response required from us.

If that were the case, I wouldn't need to repent or be baptized, or go onto perfection (maturity).

He also says, if you believe on me - call on my name, you will be saved. There is obedience that goes with that.

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I also think that there are levels of rewards in heaven. Jesus speaks of laying up treasure in heaven, and also of the reward that will be received in heaven. I do believe that there will be levels of reward somehow in heaven that have to correspond with our level of obedience here on earth, which is why just "being saved" should not be goal we are aiming for. I believe in the gospels Jesus was teaching that our goal should not be just to get "saved", but to go as many extra miles as we can for the kingdom, and to lay up our treasure in heaven, not here on earth.

Which could throw the whole "salvation" concept into another tailspin, if one is to consider that perhaps the person who just believed, got saved, and never bothered to obey much further in his life, as opposed to the one who believed, and who sacrificed all, picked up his cross, sold all he had, and so on will most likely each receive a different reward in heaven.

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Except that I believe there is clear instruction and admonition in the Bible which can't be dismissed. Whatever else happens is up to God, but because I know what to do, I don't get to speculate on anything else. I'm not afforded that privilege, so to speak.

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I don't like the word "saved". There is nothing wrong with the word, we have redefined what it means.
If you get saved you never have to do anything else for the rest of your life.

I don't need to pray every day- I'm Saved!
I don't need to live holy- I'm Saved!
I don't need to seek after God- I'm Saved!

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Here's the rub.

You won't be doing those things to get saved. If you do those things and they are of any value to GOD, it will be only because of His Relationship with you and He decides that your actions are of value to Him.

For Oneness Pentecostals, salvation is all about us.

For the other Christians, salvation is all about Him.

Who has the more biblical view?

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I wasn't trying to say you have to do these things to be saved, but if you are saved your first priority should not be to forget God.

Salvation is living a life in relationship with your Savior.

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That's a mouthful and I feel that is very accurate. Many OPs don't even realize how dependent they are on their works to prove their salvation (my previous self included). Unfortunately, the other end of the spectrum has people claiming Jesus as their savior without any fruit to show for it.

I feel the "truth" is somewhere in between.

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it usually is

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You need to stop speaking English and speak whatever comes out of your mouth. This has been the prevalent teaching that took over for the past many years.

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Luke, I should have stated that I was not a grace "only" proponent. I am not a believe "only" proponent either.

I'm sure you understood that from my last post, but I wanted to come back and clarify my statement, for the record.