Do you have to get wet to be saved?
 

Do you have to get wet to be saved?

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Absolutely! In baptism.

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Thanks.

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No, Spirit birth is separate from baptism.

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Absolutely!

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I don't believe that if one doesn't 'get wet' they will be lost, but I believe that when we repent and turn our lives around, we will want to symbolize our transformation with baptism.

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Yes

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I beleive that we are saved by faith through grace our sins are washed away by the blood of Jesus at the moment that we put faith in Him for salvation. Only those who are saved are canidates for baptism. However even though i do not agree that we must be baptized to be saved i believe that it is an act of obedience and therefore if we refuse to be baptized we will cease to be saved since we would then be walking in disobedience.

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I have an object lesson on this. I'll post a youtube video of it and then post it here soon... Maybe. No promises.

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In baptism. :thumbsup

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Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Jesus said salvation consisted of believing and baptism. You must be baptized by complete submersion in water in the name of Jesus.

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Blackxeas, that's one scripture that's hard to refute for those who don't believe in the necessity of baptism. One thing I don't understand is those pastors who continually point to the fact that "baptism isn't essential." I mean, seriously, you are that confident in your beliefs that you're willing to tell people to ignore a Biblical commandment on the basis that your understanding is correct?

The thought of this makes me cringe at the idea of being a pastor. I guess I need to somehow find out exactly what I believe, but it's so hard because people use the Bible to prooftext their beliefs instead of taking it in context.

That was a rant. Excuse me. :heeheehee

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Considering that Jesus' earthly ministry did not begin until he was baptized, it seems that baptism must play a very important role in salvation. Once Jesus was baptized, he was taken into the wilderness for 40 days, and tempted of Satan after. Then, we have the plethora of scriptures showing that all the apostles baptized new believers immediately upon conversion.

So yes... with all scriptures taken into consideration, and the fact that Jesus himself was baptized before his earthly ministry began, it would seem critical that baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus take place.

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Good points! The " baptism is only an outward sign of an inner work" argument against the necessity of it makes no sense. If there is an inner work then the outward sign would follow. If we are baptized because we are already saved then what is the point of it?

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Jesus said you didn't have to be baptized to be saved.

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Was Martha mislead?

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Yes.
Totally submerged in water.
In Baptism.
In Jesus' Name! :nod

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You have to look at the totality of the Bible, not just part of it.

Jesus did say you have to be baptized to be saved.
"He that believed and is baptized shall be saved."

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Jesus didn't say you had to be baptized to be saved.

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Did Martha believe Him? Apparently so.

No baptism here.

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OK you can pick and choose what you want to believe, it is your eternal destiny, not mine.

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More than likely she had already been baptized. While we have no record of who the disciples baptized, it would seem, according to the tradition of the Jews, that when they followed a leader, they were baptized into his name.

So, Jesus was speaking to her, knowing that she had already been baptized, and now he was speaking to her of her faith, which is the essential foundation of the gospel message.

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Back to ya! :thumbsup

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Jesus did not say, nor provide the slightest hint to Martha, that baptism would result in eternal life. The fact is, Jesus didn't make baptism a part of His promise of eternal life to her. Martha understood what He was saying and responded properly. "She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world."

Your statement that "Jesus was speaking to her, knowing that she had already been baptized" has no scriptural basis nor is it suggested in scripture that Martha had been baptized. You're suggesting that you know what was in Jesus' mind when He was speaking to her. That's absurd.

I voted yes could have voted no. In the strictest sense I would say no because we are justified by faith. But in the normal sense if our faith is genuine then we will seek baptism, therefore some who rejects baptism has likely not even experienced justification.

On the flip side I do believe it is possible to be baptized without experiencing saving faith or true repentance. I think that's an epidemic in American Christianity.

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:thumbsup

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it seems to me that the unwitting sheep in 'the separation of sheep and goats' parable must represent those who did not cry 'Lord, Lord, so while we consider confession, acceptance and baptism the legitimate path, there is a message there that cannot be denied. the same path seems available to a doer of the Word who had never made any of the noises or motions we make to signify acceptance of Christ. For that matter, you cannot accept Christ with your mouth. You lose the Holy Spirit when you attempt to codify It's existence, imo.

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at the end of the day, you must be a doer of the Word.

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:thumbsup

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"I've been to the water, and I've been baptized!!"
Don't fuss about, just get in the water, it'll do you good!!

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One "bad" word. Kinda. Well, "bad" if someone isn't actually a son of a female dog. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qw6Hon013E

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Note that in the video, we don't actually hear what the preacher said, so who knows? Maybe he was Oneness and used the right phraseology and the guy really was saved! :lol

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Uh oh! Listen at 1:20. ". . . Father, Son, and Holy Ghost"!

So, it didn't work. Oh well.

:heeheehee