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NotforSale 04-14-2014 11:54 AM

The Question No One Can Answer
 
What will happen to people when they die? Not one person here, there, or anywhere can answer this question. You can say until you're blue in the face that you know, but you don't.

Every Religion claims to know, and the Afterlife has become the Benchmark of manipulation within these Religions to control people with ideas that cannot be proven.

Over the Millenniums of time, we have watched this process evolve from not knowing, to knowing, yet nothing has really changed accept Religion. And Religion has learned, when there are no more chips left on the table, there is one left no one can see but them, called, the Afterlife.

It's Religions Ace in the Hole! The Grand Finale! The Last Straw! The Perfect Ploy to control the Weak with Fear! It's The Feast and Table Spread of the Superstitious!

ILG 04-14-2014 11:56 AM

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Yep. And if you don't do what they say, bad things will happen to you after you die!

NotforSale 04-14-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1308305)
Yep. And if you don't do what they say, bad things will happen to you after you die!

And bad things will happen to you now. It's about control and Religious domination. If you question "Them", you're a Heretic.

Timmy 04-14-2014 01:11 PM

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After I die, I will be buried or cremated. Pretty sure.

NotforSale 04-14-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1308340)
After I die, I will be buried or cremated. Pretty sure.

Haha...yeah, that will happen to your body, unless you have to walk the plank and you get eaten by a shark!

Dordrecht 04-14-2014 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1308304)
What will happen to people when they die? Not one person here, there, or anywhere can answer this question. You can say until you're blue in the face that you know, but you don't.

Every Religion claims to know, and the Afterlife has become the Benchmark of manipulation within these Religions to control people with ideas that cannot be proven.

Over the Millenniums of time, we have watched this process evolve from not knowing, to knowing, yet nothing has really changed accept Religion. And Religion has learned, when there are no more chips left on the table, there is one left no one can see but them, called, the Afterlife.

It's Religions Ace in the Hole! The Grand Finale! The Last Straw! The Perfect Ploy to control the Weak with Fear! It's The Feast and Table Spread of the Superstitious!

Yes, "religion" changed, but the Word of God didn't.

Timmy 04-14-2014 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1308343)
Haha...yeah, that will happen to your body, unless you have to walk the plank and you get eaten by a shark!

That hadn't occurred to me. The possibilities are endless, actually!

Lafon 04-14-2014 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1308304)
What will happen to people when they die? Not one person here, there, or anywhere can answer this question. You can say until you're blue in the face that you know, but you don't.

Every Religion claims to know, and the Afterlife has become the Benchmark of manipulation within these Religions to control people with ideas that cannot be proven.

Over the Millenniums of time, we have watched this process evolve from not knowing, to knowing, yet nothing has really changed accept Religion. And Religion has learned, when there are no more chips left on the table, there is one left no one can see but them, called, the Afterlife.

It's Religions Ace in the Hole! The Grand Finale! The Last Straw! The Perfect Ploy to control the Weak with Fear! It's The Feast and Table Spread of the Superstitious!

Do you truly desire to know the answer?
Your "allegations" are not only without merit but absolutely ludicrous!
The answer to the Afterlife is found recorded in the Bible; in rather explicit, unmistakably clear language.
Have you ever opened its covers, read its contents, and searched it out for yourself.
Lastly, would you even believe it if someone were to provide you with the specific passages from the Scriptures where the answer is found?

Michael The Disciple 04-14-2014 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1308304)
What will happen to people when they die? Not one person here, there, or anywhere can answer this question. You can say until you're blue in the face that you know, but you don't.

Every Religion claims to know, and the Afterlife has become the Benchmark of manipulation within these Religions to control people with ideas that cannot be proven.

Over the Millenniums of time, we have watched this process evolve from not knowing, to knowing, yet nothing has really changed accept Religion. And Religion has learned, when there are no more chips left on the table, there is one left no one can see but them, called, the Afterlife.

It's Religions Ace in the Hole! The Grand Finale! The Last Straw! The Perfect Ploy to control the Weak with Fear! It's The Feast and Table Spread of the Superstitious!

Backsliders are usually not content with their own unbelief. They are not happy till they destroy anothers faith.

Sean 04-14-2014 03:48 PM

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Amen and Amen

NotforSale 04-14-2014 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1308345)
Yes, "religion" changed, but the Word of God didn't.

Then why isn't Eternal Life/Damnation in the Old Testament? Come on, Dordrecht, you're trying to tell me the Bible hasn't changed?? :toofunny

Anyway, you still can't answer the question, even if you think you know what God's Word says.

NotforSale 04-14-2014 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lafon (Post 1308359)
Do you truly desire to know the answer?
Your "allegations" are not only without merit but absolutely ludicrous!
The answer to the Afterlife is found recorded in the Bible; in rather explicit, unmistakably clear language.
Have you ever opened its covers, read its contents, and searched it out for yourself.
Lastly, would you even believe it if someone were to provide you with the specific passages from the Scriptures where the answer is found?

Lafon, just answer the question, because I know, you can't. You have never, "Been there, Done that". And, you don't know anyone who has.

NotforSale 04-14-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1308360)
Backsliders are usually not content with their own unbelief. They are not happy till they destroy anothers faith.

Come on Mike, answer the question. You know you can't because you have NO PROOF!

crakjak 04-14-2014 04:57 PM

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Burpo has and the movie opens Wednesday!!

NotforSale 04-14-2014 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1308380)
Burpo has and the movie opens Wednesday!!

:pirate

Yeah, and the MONEY will roll in!!

Jermyn Davidson 04-14-2014 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1308304)
What will happen to people when they die? Not one person here, there, or anywhere can answer this question. You can say until you're blue in the face that you know, but you don't.

Every Religion claims to know, and the Afterlife has become the Benchmark of manipulation within these Religions to control people with ideas that cannot be proven.

Over the Millenniums of time, we have watched this process evolve from not knowing, to knowing, yet nothing has really changed accept Religion. And Religion has learned, when there are no more chips left on the table, there is one left no one can see but them, called, the Afterlife.

It's Religions Ace in the Hole! The Grand Finale! The Last Straw! The Perfect Ploy to control the Weak with Fear! It's The Feast and Table Spread of the Superstitious!

You don't believe the stories of the little boy who died and went to Heaven or any of the other testimonials that confirm the existence of worlds after we pass from this one?

Jermyn Davidson 04-14-2014 05:13 PM

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NotForSale,

Are you a backslider, in real life?

crakjak 04-14-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1308381)
:pirate

Yeah, and the MONEY will roll in!!

It is a compelling story, I read the book over a year ago. A four year old, near death experience and found out that he had infant sister that died in the womb, says he meet her. No one had told him about her....??? Many similar things.

The money has already rolled in, over ten million books sold, Hannity is interviewing him tonight. Yep, it is gonna roll in, but that doesn't proof he is lying.

NotforSale 04-14-2014 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1308388)
You don't believe the stories of the little boy who died and went to Heaven or any of the other testimonials that confirm the existence of worlds after we pass from this one?

Nope! It's all a bunch of .....

I will believe the Truth, though.

NotforSale 04-14-2014 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1308391)
NotForSale,

Are you a backslider, in real life?

Sorry, but I don't believe in backsliding. Reason; there is no way to gauge backsliding, unless, you believe in lies about yourself.

jacko 04-14-2014 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1308304)
What will happen to people when they die? Not one person here, there, or anywhere can answer this question. You can say until you're blue in the face that you know, but you don't.

Every Religion claims to know, and the Afterlife has become the Benchmark of manipulation within these Religions to control people with ideas that cannot be proven.

Over the Millenniums of time, we have watched this process evolve from not knowing, to knowing, yet nothing has really changed accept Religion. And Religion has learned, when there are no more chips left on the table, there is one left no one can see but them, called, the Afterlife.

It's Religions Ace in the Hole! The Grand Finale! The Last Straw! The Perfect Ploy to control the Weak with Fear! It's The Feast and Table Spread of the Superstitious!


Well my own brother who was very non-religious to say the least. was down that road some years ago when he was in a dying state. He stated he saw his wife first and then our mother and other relatives and friends he had known, coming towards him with outstretched arms and beautiful smiles from within a tunnel full of very bright light.... After that he regained conscience much to his disgust as he wouldn't have minded if he had died there & then, the sensation was so beautiful, peaceful and joyful!
If you have difficulty in believing what scripture teaches us in this regard, just take a look on you tube at so many afterlife experiences!

NotforSale 04-14-2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1308392)
It is a compelling story, I read the book over a year ago. A four year old, near death experience and found out that he had infant sister that died in the womb, says he meet her. No one had told him about her....??? Many similar things.

The money has already rolled in, over ten million books sold, Hannity is interviewing him tonight. Yep, it is gonna roll in, but that doesn't proof he is lying.

If I can't prove what he is saying is true, then I believe it is a lie. People say a million things about realms beyond this one, especially when they are asleep having a dream.

NotforSale 04-14-2014 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jacko (Post 1308399)
Well my own brother who was very non-religious to say the least. was down that road some years ago when he was in a dying state. He stated he saw his wife first and then our mother and other relatives and friends he had known, coming towards him with outstretched arms and beautiful smiles from within a tunnel full of very bright light.... After that he regained conscience much to his disgust as he wouldn't have minded if he had died there & then, the sensation was so beautiful, peaceful and joyful!
If you have difficulty in believing what scripture teaches us in this regard, just take a look on you tube at so many afterlife experiences!

So, your non-religious brother saw a vision of going to a place beyond this one. Hmmm...all the more reason to not believe him.

No offense, jacko, but this doesn't prove anything. Anyone can have a "Vision" or a "Dream" like the Mormons have, telling people about places and planets that supposedly exist. Did he see 72 Virgins waiting for him? Oh wait, that's what the Muslims believe.

crakjak 04-14-2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1308402)
If I can't prove what he is saying is true, then I believe it is a lie. People say a million things about realms beyond this one, especially when they are asleep having a dream.

Well, if a four year old says things about his father and his great grandfather that he could not have known, he must have experienced what he says. A fourteen maybe, but a four year old??

There plenty I don't understand, and even if this is true, I'm not sure what the story means to us.

NotforSale 04-14-2014 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1308416)
Well, if a four year old says things about his father and his great grandfather that he could not have known, he must have experienced what he says. A fourteen maybe, but a four year old??

There plenty I don't understand, and even if this is true, I'm not sure what the story means to us.

That's the problem, crakjak, people say things that are full of mystery and we immediately presume it means what we want it to mean.

Do you think children from other Religions have the same experience? If they do, then what?

This child's experience doesn't prove there is an afterlife anymore than someone having a dream that appears to "Connect the Dots" of the unknown.

Like I said in my original post, Religions have evolved into this dogma, the direct warning sign of a lie.

KeptByTheWord 04-14-2014 06:18 PM

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NotForSale... I guess you'll have to wait until you die until you find out the answer for the question you have posed. Not sure why you've posed the question here, as you certainly aren't expecting to get an answer this side of eternity. Many may try to answer, but no answer will suit you, because you don't want to know the answer until you die....

Jermyn Davidson 04-14-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1308438)
NotForSale... I guess you'll have to wait until you die until you find out the answer for the question you have posed. Not sure why you've posed the question here, as you certainly aren't expecting to get an answer this side of eternity. Many may try to answer, but no answer will suit you, because you don't want to know the answer until you die....


:huh :huh :huh :huh

n david 04-14-2014 06:36 PM

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You go on and believe whatever you want to believe, and I'll believe what the Bible tells me.

:thumbsup

ILG 04-14-2014 07:32 PM

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Nobody's faith can be "destroyed" without their consent.

Michael The Disciple 04-15-2014 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1308473)
Nobody's faith can be "destroyed" without their consent.

There is a road that leads to "consent".

Aquila 04-15-2014 06:17 AM

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There have been thousands of documented near death experiences that have taken place when one was clinically dead for a period of time (all containing very similar elements). The Bible speaks of the martyrs in Heaven praying "How long, faithful and true...". The Bible is full of disembodied (non-physical) beings (God, angels, demons). Not to mention, anyone who has ever even dabbled in mediumship can testify that they've connected with realities from another world. The nature of those realities are debated... but sometimes the results are as astounding to the medium as the sitter.

I believe that many are moving into a "rationalism" and departing from more spiritual truths. The afterlife becomes problematic for the perspective being adopted by these individuals.

ILG 04-15-2014 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1308503)
There is a road that leads to "consent".

True. And it might not be bad. ;)

ILG 04-15-2014 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1308505)
There have been thousands of documented near death experiences that have taken place when one was clinically dead for a period of time (all containing very similar elements). The Bible speaks of the martyrs in Heaven praying "How long, faithful and true...". The Bible is full of disembodied (non-physical) beings (God, angels, demons). Not to mention, anyone who has ever even dabbled in mediumship can testify that they've connected with realities from another world. The nature of those realities are debated... but sometimes the results are as astounding to the medium as the sitter.

I believe that many are moving into a "rationalism" and departing from more spiritual truths. The afterlife becomes problematic for the perspective being adopted by these individuals.

I just say I hope there is a heaven. I believe there is a heaven. But do I know? No.

crakjak 04-15-2014 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 1308429)
That's the problem, crakjak, people say things that are full of mystery and we immediately presume it means what we want it to mean.

Do you think children from other Religions have the same experience? If they do, then what?

This child's experience doesn't prove there is an afterlife anymore than someone having a dream that appears to "Connect the Dots" of the unknown.

Like I said in my original post, Religions have evolved into this dogma, the direct warning sign of a lie.

I understand that neither the boy nor his parents nor anyone else, can necessarily interpret what the experience means. That's why we should be very humble in our opinions. Things that I believe very strongly, I continue to preface with, "I could be wrong." But as you know that position religiously is a sign of weakness!!! LOL
As I said, if you read the whole story it is very compelling. He was on Hannity last night, and Hannity was asking him theological questions and his answers were more from his religious training than from anything he learned from his "trip to heaven". So, while I believe he had some kind of experience that is hard to explain, his interpretation is very suspect.

Lafon 04-15-2014 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1308505)
There have been thousands of documented near death experiences that have taken place when one was clinically dead for a period of time (all containing very similar elements). The Bible speaks of the martyrs in Heaven praying "How long, faithful and true...". The Bible is full of disembodied (non-physical) beings (God, angels, demons). Not to mention, anyone who has ever even dabbled in mediumship can testify that they've connected with realities from another world. The nature of those realities are debated... but sometimes the results are as astounding to the medium as the sitter.

I believe that many are moving into a "rationalism" and departing from more spiritual truths. The afterlife becomes problematic for the perspective being adopted by these individuals.

If one doesn't accept as an indisputable truth that the Holy Bible contains the recorded words of the Almighty God, then they also will not accept that its revelations about things are true!

Apparently NotforSale is of that mindset (a personal judgment based upon the statements he has made about this matter), therefore unless, and until, he recognizes and acknowledges that God's Word is truth, I see absolutely nothing of value to gained for him or anyone else by even dialoguing with him. Sad, indeed!

crakjak 04-15-2014 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1308511)
I just say I hope there is a heaven. I believe there is a heaven. But do I know? No.

I choose to believe that there is an after life, and that it will be very good. I will not live as those that have no hope, because to have hope is much better!!!

So one must choose how to live this life, even though it does not change what the Creator has purposed.

I believe what Jesus said, even though this physical body will die, the real person that we are will never die. God's purpose for each person will continue to a final great future, the trip is different for each, because what we believe determines the path that is required to full redemption.

I have been created in the image of God, therefore I AM.

Aquila 04-15-2014 07:52 AM

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Has anyone here ever talked to God, angels, or the those who have passed on? I don't mean with crystal balls or tarot cards. I'm talking about a "knowing"; an exchange of images, words, sounds, or emotions? A communication on the level of the spirit.

I haven't found a person yet who has experienced this who isn't certain that there is "something" beyond physical life. There is an entire world of spiritual realities that are beyond our five senses. It takes spiritual sight to see it. Spiritual ears to hear it. A spiritual heart to feel it. A spiritual hunger to taste it. A spiritual awareness to sense it.

crakjak 04-15-2014 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lafon (Post 1308513)
If one doesn't accept as an indisputable truth that the Holy Bible contains the recorded words of the Almighty God, then they also will not accept that its revelations about things are true!

Apparently NotforSale is of that mindset (a personal judgment based upon the statements he has made about this matter), therefore unless, and until, he recognizes and acknowledges that God's Word is truth, I see absolutely nothing of value to gained for him or anyone else by even dialoguing with him. Sad, indeed!

Indisputable?? Is that a joke, Lafon? If God had meant for His word to be indisputable (in the human realm) He would have presented it in a way that could not be disputed. That is part of being human, to seek and to pursue God and His truth. Truth is, no human knows the "Indisputable Word of God".

We can and should have a position of faith that we believe is "truth", but knowing that we have grown and accepted "more truth" as we have matured and continued to seek. Since our understanding is progressive, at what point is it "indisputable"?

Intellectual honesty is a great gift, and brings great humility and peace.

ILG 04-15-2014 08:01 AM

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There are so many things that I used to know that I was wrong about. I hesitate now to say I know something unless I really know it.

Aquila 04-15-2014 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1308517)
Indisputable?? Is that a joke, Lafon? If God had meant for His word to be indisputable (in the human realm) He would have presented it in a way that could not be disputed. That is part of being human, to seek and to pursue God and His truth. Truth is, no human knows the "Indisputable Word of God".

We can and should have a position of faith that we believe is "truth", but knowing that we have grown and accepted "more truth" as we have matured and continued to seek. Since our understanding is progressive, at what point is it "indisputable"?

Intellectual honesty is a great gift, and brings great humility and peace.

Most don't realize that written "words" are a terrible means of communication. It is because words can be interpreted so many different ways. Also... many religious people become nearly idolatrous about "words" and "holy books" to the point wherein they will deny what the Spirit is trying to reveal to them because they don't readily see it in their "book". The reality is that what the Spirit is trying to reveal is indeed in the book... it simply isn't in their "interpretation" of the "words" contained in the book.

While most will argue that the "words" of the Bible must be absolutely believed and heeded in one's spirituality... the truth is... it is all still subject to interpretation. The born again Christian has an additional angle on things... the Spirit. The Spirit can reveal truths in Scripture not previously seen or understood. Also... the Spirit can reveal things not specifically addressed in Scripture. Scripture is a guide... but the Spirit life. I liken the Bible to a book of basic soldier's tasks, like the one issued to me in the Army. It's very basic and honestly... it doesn't address everything. Most of our applied knowledge is learned on the battlefield.


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