How to worship your pastor
 

A "prophetess" teaches her followers how to worship a pastor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXoqBivjnoQ

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Ahh, hmm, really? Got a synopsis? i really couldn't get past the fifth or sixth 'amen,' about 8 seconds in! :lol

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That is exactly why Paul said...

1 Timothy 2:12
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


Thats the END result....

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:heeheehee :nod

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:nod

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:lol now, now...
um, what? no wait, please do not reply to this post, at least until you go read the "women pastors" thread that ran for like, 200 pages--seriously--started by KBtW. Suffice it to say that there is a valid rebuttal for your post--which even i must admit was chauvinist and over-generalizing in the extreme.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...Psalms+68%3A11

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I think the New Revised Standard Version says it well...

Job 11:12
12 But a stupid person will get understanding,
when a wild ass is born human.

I've watched this type preaching all to often. Then when the pastor moves they all pack up and move and follow him... when you get a new pastor and folks follow him from out of town, it's a bad sign.

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1 Timothy 2:12
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Its too clear to rebut....folks just arguing and disagreeing with a verse that clearly states what Paul taught.

Ive heard folks for years try to weaken it, but it stands tall when they leave.

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ya...no. It stands tall for you because it validates you, possibly, but this makes it no more true than I suffer not a woman to lecture, nor to usurp authority..., and it actually makes it quite a bit less. Nice try, tho! Ps, the "It's too clear to rebut" is strictly your opinion, and a clear sign, at least to me, that the doctrine is just another flawed one born of selfish premises. The translation there is the most chauvinistic one, by far, and i don't blame you for biting at it, but you should at least read the others.

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Hey, I have enough problems with my wife usurping authority over me these days...LOL

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women pastors has nothing to do with it...I know a LOT of men pastors that are worshipped...I say balance has more to do with it than anything...a lot of unbalanced Jim Jones still around....

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:lol apparently not! ...and your desire shall be for your husband. Why people view marriage as a problem solving device is beyond me...

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We have some very humble ladies in Brazil that take care of churches and no they are NOT controlling....

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Paul had them, too, and honored them.

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I learnt a lesson from my Portuguese teacher 45 years ago...She said, In the course of your life as a missionary some Brazilians will do you wrong, take advantage of your kindness, take you for money, and all that comes with being a missionary but never forget there will be those that will love you enough to take from their meager living and give to you, there will be those that will love you and protect you...so in the course of life never make the mistake many missionaries make when some one does you wrong and use the expression in your anger...THESE BRAZILIANS.... do not class everyone in the same boat because of some personal experince...I took her advice...she continued and said always say...Jose..or Maria or whoever did me wrong and you will always have a host of "good ones" at your side to help you....DITO and FEITO....said and done....my life has been lived...yes I had a few bad experiences but I have never grouped them all together....like anything else there are good and bad...
If you do not believe in women pastores that is your stand but never say they are all just alike for that is NOT true....

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No godly woman would ever thin of usurping authority over her husband....notice what the word means...usurp  
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u·surp [yoo-surp, -zurp] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to seize and hold (a position, office, power, etc.) by force or without legal right: The pretender tried to usurp the throne.
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to use without authority or right; employ wrongfully: The magazine usurped copyrighted material.
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to commit forcible or illegal seizure of an office, power, etc.; encroach.
Origin:
1275–1325; Middle English < Latin ūsūrpāre to take possession through use, equivalent to ūsū (ablative of ūsus use (noun)) + -rp-, reduced form of -rip-, combining form of rapere to seize + -āre infinitive ending


I am a woman missionary but I do not wrongfully use authority....My husband is not a whimp....He is a man of God, the Bishop of our work in Brazil....I respect him as such and work with him as Pricislla of old....

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Its great, but instead of one set of problems, you combine 2...LOL

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Thats awesome sister...I just would NEVER sit under a woman pastor because of that verse.(among other problems it can "feminize" the men of the church) It says what it says. But thats just me....

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:thumbsup :thumbsup

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Here we go again...

:beatdeadhorse :beatdeadhorse :beatdeadhorse

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Part II.

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Now all we need is Bro. RJ to show up, and we'll have some fireworks right on time for the 4th of July :lol

:lol

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Forgive me Lord, I cant resist to post this passage....

1 Corinthians 14:34-35King James Version (KJV)

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

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speak in greek in that verse means make NO SOUND....sorry your women cannot worship...

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My point is Sister Alvear, is the churches have sure "evolved" away from the original teachings....

When folks read these verses and get pummelled by women like the one in the video...they choose to negate the teachings of Paul and prefer modern day concepts. I am a person that would like to see the church get back to the original structure as much as possible. Folks today are determined to "redefine" the original churchs' teachings to fit their ideology. I can clearly see through that and I believe with everything I know that most churches existing today would throw Paul out on his ear. Paul has been grossly misrepresented in our days. The end result is when we all stand before the Lord, were we the keepers of the truth of the original churchs' teachings or were we promoters of our own ideology opposing the original. In my mind, we are either "FOR IT" or "AGAINST IT".



This is the primary role according to Paul, for our aged women and younger women in the original church....
Titus 2:4-5King James Version (KJV)

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

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seems kind of disingenuous; doesn't the UPCI have women pastors?

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Kinda strange for us as those known as holding the banner of the truth....

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The upci hás women pastores in Brazil

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It was the councils Of Rome that took women from The pulpits....not The true church.

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So, all of you that are anti-women pastors are really papist at heart.:heeheehee

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We will all see in the end if the words of Paul were just baloney or not.

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Are you saying something will happen to women ministers in the end?

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well, i never said that Paul's words were baloney; just poorly interpreted. You (mostly) read exactly one translation of Scripture. Have you ever seen one of those exercises about how some verses may be translated wildly differently from our accepted ones? This seems to make it incumbent on a believer to at least be aware of the alternates, imo...of course, if you signed a pact, or pledge, no doubt this is discouraged?

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Well, I am sure you can find a version somewhere in the "minority text" of the 50 or so other versions of the Bible to fit the concept you may have. The possibilities are endless...

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Men and women alike, for mistranslating any passage

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Since day one they have had women ministers and pastors. If one were to look back in their directories from years ago, they might find it surprising just how many they had. While there have probably always been ministers in the group that were against such, they have continued to license women.

There is a 1952 directory available to see online. Take a look and note how much smaller the UPC would have been if they had not accepted women into the ministry.

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Many precious women have been associated with the UPCi...Nona Freeman was one of the sweetest women I ever met...a true christian...so don't judge all but some goof ball you might know....many precious women have gleaned in God's fields...If you do not believe in them that is your business....to try to harm them God might have something to say about that....

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I wouldnt dare speak against sis. Freeman. Only if she tried to teach or usurp authority over me....LOL(I would reject that for me because of these passages). I have heard her (testify) with her husband and she edified me. The main role of women in the early church was to teach women, not men.

Basically, I am against the domineering, loud, proud women that try to run the church congregations(even covertly).

I think Paul wanted the men to control the doctrinal situations of the congregations without female intervention. (that is why Jesus chose men to be Apostles in the early church). Outside of the congregational discussions, the women of the day could speak freely(they may have been allowed to prophecy in the congregations though, but I am not sure).

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:thumbsup