What About The Children???
 

Gee golly willickers!

What will we ever do about the THOUSANDS of unaccompanied illegal immigrant children on our soil now?

Should we depart them back to their home country? What if they're government can't verify their identities or citizenship status?

Should we simply turn them around at the Mexican border? What if they die in the dessert on their way back home-- or worse, kidnapped by sex trade smugglers?

All the children! All the THOUSANDS of children! America must do something about this!

"We must do right by the children," said Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson.


BWAHAHAHA!

Either the House GOP decides to tackle Immigration Reform or the President will!

Lead or get out of the way-- here comes Jose...

And Pablo,
And Maria,
And Esperanza,
And Jorge,
And Lux,
And Juan,
And another Juan,
And two more Jose's,
And Marisol,
And Carlos,
And Camilla,
And Felicidad,
And Tomas,
And another Jose!

These are only a quarter of the children who are escaping from the first war-torn and impoverished Central American village. There are hundreds more villages, thousands more children!

Oh the humanity!

What are we going to do about the CHILDREN?











:digging

obama created this mess with his DREAM Act. I know you won't agree because you believe obama is the bomb diggity yo. The fact is these kids aren't suddenly afraid for their lives and fleeing their countries, as the violence in Columbia, Venezuela, and other countries pre-dated the obama presidency.

He bypassed Congress, made a grand speech at the Rose Garden, with illegals standing with him, that his admin was going to allow kids (dreamers) stay in the US and become citizens.

That's why there's an invasion at the borders. His advisor, Valerie Jarrett had meetings with pro amnesty groups just a couple weeks before this invasion began.

The best thing for these kids is to be returned and reunited with their families, not put in cages in a warehouse down in Nogales, AZ.

Best thing isn't for DHS to bus immigrants in to the Greyhound station in PHX at 24th and Buckeye, and dump them off with instructions to appear in court at a certain date.

If obama and the Democrats were serious and willing to work with Republicans to fix immigration, they would allow a bill with enforcement measures. They won't, Reid blocks every one and obama threatens a veto if Reid did allow it. That shows they don't care about fixing it. They just want to expand their voter base.

This was intentional. It was planned. The obama admin manufactured a crisis to try and force Congress to capitulate to his demands on immigration, which is no enforcement, amnesty and open borders.

Why is there a gag order on the Border Patrol agents now? What's the obama admin afraid they'll say? Why are journalists being threatened with arrest for covering this? Why are Congressmen being denied access to walk through these holding centers? Why won't they allow news reporters access?

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See! This is (in part) why the GOP has the reputation it has among minorities in America!

I don't think President Obama is the bomb diggity. I think he is a very good President and I am proud of him.


If Romney was our President, I wouldn't offer you Grey Poupon for your ham sandwich-- mainly because I don't use Grey Poupon.

Similarly, I doubt you use the phrase "bomb diggity" in describing your admiration for Reagan.


Now that I've addressed that, I am thinking that you agree with Perry-- that President Obama and his minions have somehow concocted this entire crisis, to the extent that the U.S. government went to Central America and solicited parents to send their children unaccompanied over thousands of miles of desert and danger just to create this situation.

Am I right to think this?

To what extent is this crisis Obama's doing?
:huh

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What about the CHILDREN?
Put them on busses?

What if the busses are hijacked in the desert in some sweaty, drug cartel controlled town?

What if Hezbollah operatives sieze the busses of children and tries to use the children as bargaining chips for their evil goals?!

What if Boko Haram hijacks the busses and steals the kids and takes them back to Africa, into forests, to make the little girls and little boys into forest wives?!

If any of these things were to happen to even just one of the children we turn our back on, HOW ON EARTH WOULD WE ESCAPE THE WRATH AND KARMA OF THE UNIVERSES for our SELFISH HEARTS!!!


These are CHILDREN!

Thousands of CHILDREN!

Open your heart today to a little Jose!


Don't let him become a forest wife!

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Oh the humanity!

WOE for our humanity!!

What about the children?

:preach

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JD - the law of unintended consequences will always rear its head. This invasion of children is a direct result of BHO and the dream act. As well as his refusal to follow the LAW on immigration. Also a result of his refusal to follow the LAW and build a fence on the border.
So, you admire BHO.
Why?
What has he done that you admire?
Fast and Furious?
IRS scandal?
VA problems?
Food stamps at record high?
Obamacare waivers to donors?
GM bailout and subsequent record number of recalls?
Drone killings of US citizens?
Blocking the Keystone Pipeline?
EPA calling CO2 a greenhouse gas and shutting down coal plants?

I could go on for a long time, but it is too depressing.

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Unintended consequences?

What are we talking about-- why you are pro-aborting the unborn possible children or our selfish response to THOUSANDS of live children-- parentless, far from home, in search of a dream?

Maybe we should just kill them so that they don't become forest wives for Boko Haram!

We can't afford to take care of them anyway!

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What about the children?

:begging

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Maybe we should put them in bags and throw them in the river. I here this is a great way of getting rid of kittens!

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Why, because I called him the "bomb diggity?" Get a life.

Why are you proud of him? What has he done to make you proud? Name something.


Perhaps, perhaps not. It's not the first I've used the word, nor will it be the last. Are you trying to insinuate I'm somehow racist because I used that phrase? Please. You're going to have to try harder than that.


I'll repost.

Now, you won't find any coincidence in this, because of your love and pride of all things obama; however, obama and some of his staff, including Jeh Johnson (DHS Secy), met with immigration activists in the White House on Friday, March 14th. Suddenly at the end of May we have a "crisis" at the border.

Source Link

Now, are you really so attached to obama's posterior that you aren't able to see that the meeting of 14-March is related to the invasion of our borders in the latter part of May? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there was an effort in the obama administration to put pressure on the GOP to capitulate to his demands and pass amnesty in the next 15 days before they go home in August.

Look, it's a brilliant idea. Put out the word through leftist groups like La Raza and PICO and the other to get a massive number of kids -- not adults -- to flood the border. He's hoping to force Congress' hand, and make them pass amnesty and more open borders.

There's a reason DHS and Jeh Johnson is involved in this, beyond it being a homeland security issue. DHS is the entity bussing and housing these kids and other people. Normally it's the Border Patrol which is tasked with this responsibility.

Again, please answer the questions I posed above: Why is there a gag order on the Border Patrol? Why have US Congressmen been prohibited from visiting these holding centers? Why were hospital staff threatened with arrest if they devulged the massive number of immigrants with diseases? Why aren't news reporters allowed to photo or tour these facilities or interview these immigrants?

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Sad that this issue amuses you so.

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What are they afraid of? Why can't the media ask questions, take photos, speak with the staff or immigrants?

:lol Nice try. The media is lock-step in with obama and the admin. They're not going to blink at these rules. There's no such thing as unbiased journalism or journalistic integrity in the MSM.

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JD - sorry that I was trying to have an intelligent conversation and that is not what you intended.
You seem to be on your way to becoming the perfect poster child for what is wrong with this country.
Come quickly Lord Jesus...

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Your use of that phrase with me is specifically geared towards me because I am black and he is black. Your word usage isn't in itself racist, but there is a disrespective undertone that is completely laced with racial garbage-- and it was intentional.

It is completely unnecessarilly and purposefully off-putting, adding nothing to the previously respectful conversation.


I am proud of him because he is the first black President. I am proud of many things that have happened on his watch.

1) He revised and expanded the HARP program for American homeowners.
2) The banks and businesses he saved through stimulus.
3) He saved the American auto industry (General motors).
4) He kept his promise on Iraq.
5) Capturing and killing Bin Laden.
6) There is a healthcare law that helps expand healthcare to children-- apart from the ACA.
7) The healthcare that many more Americans have access to now that Affordable care Act is the law.
8) He has increased fuel efficiency standards for automobiles.
9) Military Veterans receive better care and have their claims reviewed and decided much faster because of his policies.
10) His policies have helped to privatize the space industry.
11) His policies are helping to fix the drug sentencing disparities that existed between cocaine and crack cocaine.
12) People can serve their country in the military regardless of sexual orientation. At first, I thought this was a bad thing, but now I don't think this is a bad thing.

There is more, but this thread is about the children, not President Obama.



Dude, as much as we have discussed things and this is how you think? If I wanted to call you racist, I'd simply call you racist. I was trying to point out to you the unnecesarily racially charged slant that you gave your observation of my admiration of President Obama. I am trying to help you see where many Republicans go wrong in one conversation, and later wonder why they have very little success in appealing to a more diverse electorate.



Now I don't have answers to your other questions, but as you say I am attached to Obama's posterior, I can just as easily say that you are blinded by idealogically driven hate for President Obama to only see negative in everyting he does.

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aegsm76,
As I look bad at what I wrote, it seems unintelligible. I apologize for that. Let me speak plainly.

There are conservative Christians who will care more the unborn children that are yet to be than they will for the 50,000+ children at our border right now.

I think there is hypocrisy in this.

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I think there's a lie in the bold, no, I don't think...there is. You're claiming that because most conservatives (who are overwhelmingly Christian) want this administration to abide by the law...that we don't care for these kids or care less for them than the unborn.

Please re-think this claim. It's completely untrue, and something I could see posted in DailyKos or DailyBeast or some other lib blog...not by someone professing to be a conservative.

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Well, the only solution I can come up with that falls in line with the morality of protecting human life is to keep those 50,000 children here in America.

I doubt many American conservative Christians will come to the same conclusion, well maybe not as quickly as I have.


Abide by the law? By law, the woman caught in adultery would have been killed.

In Ecclesiastes, the Bible says there is a time and place for everything.... If there was a time to break the law, this would be the time.

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No, your solution is too forthwright. Somewhere there is a conservative trying to figure out a way to get them into the river without looking like that was the intent from the begining.

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JD - Bill Clinton used military force to return a Cuban child to his parent.
The fact is that the majority of these children have left their parents to come here.
They are not coming here to be with their parents, they are coming here to try to become citizens.
We need to return these children to their parents.
They are also breaking the law.
Are we a nation of laws or do we just make it up as we go?

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Here we go again.
It is amazing that "Christians" who are supposed to share a common background cannot have a civil conversation about things.
So, should we just have open borders and let anyone in who shows up?

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Uhm, okay. Here we go again. At any and every chance, you play the card. It's your thing. Do your thing. (And by using the phrase, "Do your thing," I mean no racial intent.) :lol

Good grief

Creating more negative debt for homeowners.

Obama had nothing to do with this. W and Paulson put this in place during the 2008 Primary. I was against it, and still am.

Again, the deadline was already set and agreed to while W was in office.

This I didn't realize! OBAMA captured and then killed OBL? Here I thought it was Seal Team 6 that did it.

The Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) was signed into law by Clinton and has continued through the W and obama admins. obama simply reauthorized the bill until 2019. He didn't implement it or begin it.

The same obamacare which has been challenged and found to have unconstitutional provisions, and the same which may yet be invalidated by the courts since the WH claims the penalty is a tax and it did not originate in the US House, which is required by the Constitution.

Every President has done this. Seriously, you're grasping for something here.

Seriously!? You're going to claim military vets receive better and faster care. Did you even read before copying and pasting this list? :lol In the middle of the worst Vet scandal in history, you're going to claim it's better under obama. Wow!

They've also help gut the space program and outsource exploration to launches from Russia and China.

Well, when the President is also a former addict, this can be expected. :lol

Awe, how tolerant of you! I think it's wonderful. W should have done this during his terms, so that way they could've redecorated Sadaam's palaces.

Please post the source of this copy/paste job. Thanks

Well, you did call what I posted racist, a bit indirectly, but still made the claim. And the reason the GOP has these alleged issues is because of blacks who accuse other blacks who support the GOP of being "Uncle Toms" or "House N-s." The reason the GOP has alleged issues reaching the black vote is because black leaders like Sharpton and other want to keep them poor and keep them disenfranchised so they can continue to exert their control over them and remain leaders in the black community.

It's like growing up in my Father's church, where a black Pastor told a couple who wanted to come to our church that they should stay with their own kind and that these "crackers" can't understand them.

The problem with the GOP and black relations has little to do with the GOP. The biggest problem is the leaders in the black community...the NAACP, Sharpton and Jackson and all the black Pastors who demonize the GOP and lie about the history of the civil rights. Don't tell me you're trying to help. You spend post after post condemning the GOP as racists without proof.


Aren't you curious at all as to the timeline of events and why the muzzle on the Border Patrol and press? This goes beyond my disdain for obama's policies.

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50,000+ children-- some with only their birth certificates, possibly some with not even that. We are being led to believe that these children wandered thousands of miles through danger and desert without their parents.

That Cuban child had a father that wanted his son in his custody.

These children-- what about these children? This is nowhere near the same situation.


Now for abortion, the Supreme Court has set the law so that abortion is legalized. We are a nation of laws and the Supreme Court of the land has spoken. Why attempt to create laws that circumvent the intent of the Supreme Court? They intended for American women to be able to have access to safe and healthy ways to kill their unborn children.

Some conservatives will go out of the way to prevent the killing of an unborn child that they don't know and probably will never know.

Now we have 50,000+ children staring us in the face, from behind bars. What do some conservatives suggest we do with these children?

They want America to wash her hands of these children. They are not our children-- but neither are the aborted ones or the ones that will be raised in horrendous environments becuase the mother was forced by circumstance (not love) to give birth and to take care them.

These children are already alive, full of promise and potential right in front of us, but these, they aren't ours.

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So you believe the best thing is to keep these kids away from their parents, which likely will result in them either being 1) put in state foster care; or 2) living homeless and on the streets.

Really? You don't believe it's humane to return them to their parents? There is a humane way to return them to their parents. We've been flying illegals back to their homelands for decades.

Where in US law is this written? C'mon.

Now you're just twisting scripture to fit your belief.

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n david,

So you don't see at all that there is a disrespective undertone that is completely laced with racial garbage in the context of your statement?

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Elian also had a mother who wanted to keep him. Clinton played politics with his decision. It was a bad decision.

Your analogy is absurd. Sorry to be so blunt, but it is.

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If I thought there was a way for America to return them directly to their parents, then maybe I'd be on board for it.

But then, good parents wouldn't let this happen, would they?

I am under the impression that these kids would be extremely difficult or impossible to return to their parents-- identity issues, parents moving, etc.

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Oh well, suit yourself.

That analogy is the basis for my statement to aegsm76 about conservatives caring more the unborn then for the 50,000+ we now have a chance to influence for the good.

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If you're asking whether I don't respect obama, you're right. I do not respect him. If you're asking whether there was racial garbage in the phrase, it wasn't intentional.

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It appears intentional, given the context of the conversation.

However, I love you and believe you.

Have a good night.

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There is a way, it's been done for decades until obama decided to ignore the law. The government has flown and bussed people back to their homeland for decades. Until now.

Again, why is there a gag order on the Border Patrol? There was a picture in the local paper a few days ago of some AZ border checkpoint with no BP agents anywhere around. The gate was open and anyone could come through at anytime. Why has DHS taken over BP duties?

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Treat them, bathe them, feed them and send them back to their parents.

These kids all know their own names, their family name and town.

No and shoot the Coyotes

That could also happen on the way here. Why doesn't Mexico do something? They are passing through their nation

We need to hold every nation accountable. That's the problem. America can't do everything

And yet those kids are still stacked up like Sardines with lice, TB and other diseases and haven't bathed or anything



what we need is better Border security

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What do you think we should do? Put them in over burdened foster care system and charge the over burdened tax payers?

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JD, do you advocate opening up our boarders and allowing children from China, Philipines, Africa, Guam, Pakistan, Afghanistan and every third world nation to come here and force everyone else to baby sit them?

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Reading his opening posts, this apparently is amusing to him. He's making a joke of a very real and very bad situation. I doubt he wants to have a serious conversation on the issue. Sad.

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So you say this AFTER we have already had a serious conversation, after I have extended genuine courteousness to you, after I log off.

:tiphat

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Good on Gov. Rick Perry for refusing to meet Obama at Austin-Bergstrom Airport to just shake his hand on the tarmac.

"I appreciate the offer to greet you at Austin-Bergstrom Airport, but a quick handshake on the tarmac will not allow for a thoughtful discussion regarding the humanitarian and national security crises enveloping the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas." - Letter to WH from Gov. Rick Perry

Come to the border and see what is going on, Obama.

Obama knows if he goes go to the border, he owns this problem.

Three illegals (and they weren't children) pushing grocery carts with ONE bag in each cart crosses the intersection in front of me smiling like they own the world. You aren't suppose to take shopping carts home. Ugh! Where is the Border Patrol in this town! Ugh!

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I wish that we would simply build a multi-layered fence, anchored deep in the ground, that stretched the entire length of our border with Mexico.



Praxeas, now that we have taken custody of those children, if anything tragic happens to those children (bus hijacked, etc) we will in part be responsible.

There a couple things I am unclear about-- did these kids arrive at once en masse? Have we just been collecting kids like pokemon cards for such a time as this? Is it a very recent development to have so many kids unaccompanied at our border and were they unaccompanied for most or all of their trip?

I am also thinking that these children may have been coached to not divulge identifying information and some of them could very well simply just not know-- but maybe I am wrong about this, I just don't know.



We need a better system.

A physical wall or fence would be a good place to start.

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President Obama already owns this problem. He's the President.

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How is it "good" for the Governor to not meet with the President? Meet on the tarmac and from that meeting, establish a better time to have a deeper conversation about the problem.