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ILG 07-14-2014 08:43 PM

Apostolic Music
 
The last 10 years or so I was in the OP movement I was in, I noticed a disturbing trend in the music. I notice it is still there when I listen to some OP service music. It is usually this chanting type sound and so much repetition. To me, that was never conducive to worship. Anybody else feel this way?

CC1 07-14-2014 08:48 PM

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You are just getting old!

AR Pastor 07-14-2014 08:56 PM

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A lot of the newer stuff I just don't care for and find hard to worship with.

A couple of Sunday nights ago we sang a couple of fairly new choruses and the a couple not so new. Then for the offering we played "Just a Closer Walk With Thee".

I started singing the old song and the entire crowd stood and started worshipping, Some where weeping and some started walking the isle with their hands raised and a 25 year old backslidden young man came to the altar and prayed back through

n david 07-15-2014 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1324925)
The last 10 years or so I was in the OP movement I was in, I noticed a disturbing trend in the music. I notice it is still there when I listen to some OP service music. It is usually this chanting type sound and so much repetition. To me, that was never conducive to worship. Anybody else feel this way?

That's mostly from Jesus Culture and IHOP. I haven't heard anything like that in the UPC or other oneness churches I've visited or been a member.

Michael The Disciple 07-15-2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1324964)
That's mostly from Jesus Culture and IHOP. I haven't heard anything like that in the UPC or other oneness churches I've visited or been a member.

Give us an example?

Steve Epley 07-15-2014 06:21 AM

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We are stuck in time but you knew that.:happydance

Michael The Disciple 07-15-2014 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1324970)
We are stuck in time but you knew that.:happydance

:highfive

Michael The Disciple 07-15-2014 06:27 AM

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If you were wanting to introduce a friend to Apostolic Music what would you present?

n david 07-15-2014 06:27 AM

One I already posted about is Rhythm of Heaven. Unfortunately, IHOP had it removed from YouTube, so the one I posted previously is no longer available. That was a mind numbing song which dragged on for over 12 minutes, during which Bickle claimed to give a prophetic word and Misty told about a dream in sing song. In between was the chant, "listen to the rhythm, the rhythm of heaven," over and over and over using varying beats.

A good read on it can be read HERE

Michael The Disciple 07-15-2014 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1324975)
One I already posted about is Rhythm of Heaven. Unfortunately, IHOP had it removed from YouTube, so the one I posted previously is no longer available. That was a mind numbing song which dragged on for over 12 minutes, during which Bickle claimed to give a prophetic word and Misty told about a dream in sing song. In between was the chant, "listen to the rhythm, the rhythm of heaven," over and over and over using varying beats.

A good read on it can be read HERE

That is a glorious song one of my favorites:thumbsup

Disciple4life 07-15-2014 07:51 AM

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It has been a little while since I have been to a UPCI church but from what I remember the music is always is on 10 and the piano player and the drummer totally rip off Jerry Lee Lewis!

n david 07-15-2014 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1324980)
That is a glorious song one of my favorites:thumbsup

"Glorious" is not the word that comes to mind when listening to that song.

:lol

Abiding Now 07-15-2014 08:27 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUOl7ABKSWA

ILG 07-15-2014 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1324929)
You are just getting old!

LOL! Well, I won't argue that point!

Jason B 07-15-2014 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AR Pastor (Post 1324933)
A lot of the newer stuff I just don't care for and find hard to worship with.

A couple of Sunday nights ago we sang a couple of fairly new choruses and the a couple not so new. Then for the offering we played "Just a Closer Walk With Thee".

I started singing the old song and the entire crowd stood and started worshipping, Some where weeping and some started walking the isle with their hands raised and a 25 year old backslidden young man came to the altar and prayed back through

Odd that y'all would sing a trinitarians song and have the Spirit move, seeing as how in your mind all trinitarians are lost. Seems a bit inconsistent to me.

AR Pastor 07-15-2014 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 1325095)
Odd that y'all would sing a trinitarians song and have the Spirit move, seeing as how in your mind all trinitarians are lost. Seems a bit inconsistent to me.

:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah

We were singing not a bunch of trinnies.

Say what you want trinnies are lost. Many sinner have wrote song about a God they really don't know.

Abiding Now 07-15-2014 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AR Pastor (Post 1325101)
:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah

We were singing not a bunch of trinnies.

Say what you want trinnies are lost. Many sinner have wrote song about a God they really don't know.

Amen. A drunk dope head wrote I Saw The Light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtolv9kM1qk



HANK WILLIAMS LYRICS

"I Saw The Light"


I wandered so aimless life filled with sin
I wouldn't let my dear saviour in
Then Jesus came like a stranger in the night
Praise the Lord I saw the light.

I saw the light I saw the light
No more darkness no more night
Now I'm so happy no sorrow in sight
Praise the Lord I saw the light.

Just like a blind man I wandered along
Worries and fears I claimed for my own
Then like the blind man that God gave back his sight
Praise the Lord I saw the light.

I saw the light I saw the light
No more darkness no more night
Now I'm so happy no sorrow in sight
Praise the Lord I saw the light.

I was a fool to wander and a-stray
Straight is the gate and narrow the way
Now I have traded the wrong for the right
Praise the Lord I saw the light.

I saw the light I saw the light
No more darkness no more night
Now I'm so happy no sorrow in sight
Praise the Lord I saw the light.

Michael The Disciple 07-15-2014 02:19 PM

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I have asked someone to put up what they consider to be good Apostolic music. I am taking for granted the 2 that have been posted were done in a joking manner.

Now bring the TRUE Apostolic music that some are so fond of. If its that good turn some of us onto it. I mean if its more deeply spiritual than the Charismatic/Messianic style I like I would want to add it to my listening/worshipping time.

Abiding Now 07-15-2014 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1325121)
I have asked someone to put up what they consider to be good Apostolic music. I am taking for granted the 2 that have been posted were done in a joking manner.

Now bring the TRUE Apostolic music that some are so fond of. If its that good turn some of us onto it. I mean if its more deeply spiritual than the Charismatic/Messianic style I like I would want to add it to my listening/worshipping time.

It was joke. :heeheehee


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VubgXU7Zp1w

AR Pastor 07-15-2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1325126)

Love to hear Bro. Spell sing

KeptByTheWord 07-15-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1324925)
The last 10 years or so I was in the OP movement I was in, I noticed a disturbing trend in the music. I notice it is still there when I listen to some OP service music. It is usually this chanting type sound and so much repetition. To me, that was never conducive to worship. Anybody else feel this way?

I agree that the music trends in the OP churches seems to have gone down a road that seems more entertainment-based than worship driven. Basically when the musician, singers, and crowd all enjoy entertaining, and being entertained, it is hard for the spirit of God to move in that element. I don't remember hearing chanting per se in the singing in the OP, but definitely remember lots of repetition, and many of the new songs were just a catchy phrase repeated over and over.

Music and worship are tricky things. When you have incredibly skilled people as musicians/singers, it is an area that Satan can use to his advantage, and instead of the music drawing people to worship the Lord, music can actually be used as a tool by the enemy by which pride in the heart of the skilled musician/singer is offensive to the moving of the spirit.

So... just to say that a certain genre or style of music is a deterrent to true worship taking place, I think that pointing fingers at a style of music needs to be taken one step further. If the musician is truly intending to honor, and worship the Lord with their musical talents and abilities, I believe the spirit of the Lord will bless and there will be a sweet presence of the Lord (for the most part). But if entertainment and perfection becomes the name of the game, and gimmicks, and different man-made elements are used to try to usher in worship.... it most likely won't accomplish its goal, and will remain just pure entertainment.

KeptByTheWord 07-15-2014 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1325121)
I have asked someone to put up what they consider to be good Apostolic music. I am taking for granted the 2 that have been posted were done in a joking manner.

Now bring the TRUE Apostolic music that some are so fond of. If its that good turn some of us onto it. I mean if its more deeply spiritual than the Charismatic/Messianic style I like I would want to add it to my listening/worshipping time.

I personally don't care for the IHOP music that you obviously enjoy, but that is certainly your preference. If you find it blesses you, and enriches your walk with the Lord, that is wonderful.

One of the most well known Pentecostal musicians/singers that I enjoyed hearing the most was Sis. Janice Sjostrand. Her worship and love for the Lord were expressed so beautifully in her music.

There was a thread on here with some videos posted about Sis. Janice, and I'll post this one here for those who have never heard of her: (She starts singing around the 10:30 mark or so).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhZRJxG_OFQ

If you want to go to the thread here on AFF with more videos of Sis. Janice, it is here:
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...oman+flat+sing

KeptByTheWord 07-15-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AR Pastor (Post 1325130)
Love to hear Bro. Spell sing

I have some great memories of Bro. Timothy Spell. He led the choir at several of the camps we attended as youth. I'll never forget him singing the song "I'm Climbing Up the Rough Side of the Mountain."

MissBrattified 07-15-2014 07:45 PM

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I am old school when it comes to music. Modern/contemporary worship music tends to mostly get on my nerves. IHOP drives me batty. Sorry MtD. :blink

I like traditional choirs and black gospel, hymns, older choruses, singing out of the hymnbook...sigh. :)

When I was a teenager, I attended a trinitarian holiness school, and I particularly loved the music portion of chapel and the occasional church services. They were all accustomed to singing out of the hymnal and they would also sing in parts. The accompaniment was simple--usually just a piano. I LOVED it. I loved that the voices were the biggest part of the experience, and not just the worship leader--his voice blended in with everyone else's. The congregation sang together and it was beautiful.

I like solos, too, though....I LOVE to hear my sisters sing, and other great singers in Pentecost or the Christian music world. I just kind of dislike the role of the "modern" worship leader. Sometimes it works, and other times it's very diva-like and the congregation is left behind.

Jason B 07-15-2014 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AR Pastor (Post 1325101)

:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah

We were singing not a bunch of trinnies.

Say what you want trinnies are lost. Many sinner have wrote song about a God they really don't know.

Sure that's it. God moved because your church was singing not those nasty trinitarians.

I just find it interesting that you sing the songs written by people who by your own confession you believe do not know God.

You sure are quick to condemn them to hell while at the same time singing their songs and using Bibles they translated. Lol. Where would YOUR CHURCH be without the aid of those wretched lost trinitarians.

To think millions of them even claim to have the Holy Ghost just like you. Ahh, you probably say "its not the REAL Holy Ghost." Right.

Y'all should sing "I'm a Pentecostal" it would be right up your alley.

Steve Epley 07-15-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1325126)

Hard to beat.

Abiding Now 07-15-2014 09:21 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcc5YAw6O5k

Abiding Now 07-15-2014 09:30 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA33I...=RD5r7LOU79RiE

mfblume 07-15-2014 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1324925)
The last 10 years or so I was in the OP movement I was in, I noticed a disturbing trend in the music. I notice it is still there when I listen to some OP service music. It is usually this chanting type sound and so much repetition. To me, that was never conducive to worship. Anybody else feel this way?

I never liked the repetitive chanting style. It came in in the 80's and I think it was apostolics copying other groups at the time, and stuck.

AR Pastor 07-16-2014 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo (Post 1325221)
Sure that's it. God moved because your church was singing not those nasty trinitarians.

I just find it interesting that you sing the songs written by people who by your own confession you believe do not know God.

You sure are quick to condemn them to hell while at the same time singing their songs and using Bibles they translated. Lol. Where would YOUR CHURCH be without the aid of those wretched lost trinitarians.

To think millions of them even claim to have the Holy Ghost just like you. Ahh, you probably say "its not the REAL Holy Ghost." Right.

Y'all should sing "I'm a Pentecostal" it would be right up your alley.

:foottap:foottap

:blah:blah:blah

there you go again. Yes we sing the songs and yes the Trinitarians are LOST.

do rave on doesn't change a thing. So they can write a song it doesn't save their soul

ONLY THE ACTS 2;38 MESSAGE DOES THAT

ILG 07-16-2014 01:28 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqoIk-jj0uQ

KeptByTheWord 07-16-2014 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1325394)

Beautiful song, and I love the piano accompaniment!

ILG 07-16-2014 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1325435)
Beautiful song, and I love the piano accompaniment!

Thank you! I love this kind of music. As for your comment about the chanting, I guess what I meant was that repetitive staccato sound.

KeptByTheWord 07-16-2014 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1325436)
Thank you! I love this kind of music. As for your comment about the chanting, I guess what I meant was that repetitive staccato sound.

Ok, thanks for clarifying - I definitely do remember that going on as well.

ILG 07-16-2014 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1325503)
Ok, thanks for clarifying - I definitely do remember that going on as well.

To me, even back then I thought it was not conducive to worship.

commonsense 07-16-2014 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1325010)
LOL! Well, I won't argue that point!


I qualify as old ......and really dislilke most of the new church music!

True worship is not age based!!!

commonsense 07-16-2014 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1325205)
I am old school when it comes to music. Modern/contemporary worship music tends to mostly get on my nerves. IHOP drives me batty. Sorry MtD. :blink

I like traditional choirs and black gospel, hymns, older choruses, singing out of the hymnbook...sigh. :)

When I was a teenager, I attended a trinitarian holiness school, and I particularly loved the music portion of chapel and the occasional church services. They were all accustomed to singing out of the hymnal and they would also sing in parts. The accompaniment was simple--usually just a piano. I LOVED it. I loved that the voices were the biggest part of the experience, and not just the worship leader--his voice blended in with everyone else's. The congregation sang together and it was beautiful.

I like solos, too, though....I LOVE to hear my sisters sing, and other great singers in Pentecost or the Christian music world. I just kind of dislike the role of the "modern" worship leader. Sometimes it works, and other times it's very diva-like and the congregation is left behind.


I keep looking for a "like" symbol to click!!

I agree Miss B:thumbsup

KeptByTheWord 07-17-2014 09:47 AM

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Yea, the :thumbsup is about as close as we can get to liking a post! It would be nice if there was such a feature on here though! I agree with Miss B's post too :nod

Abiding Now 07-17-2014 09:40 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ZH2YAB77c

Abiding Now 07-17-2014 09:46 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCsMYGFO8ko


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