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Abiding Now 07-18-2014 03:05 PM

AoG Losing "Tongues"
 
Assemblies of God Surge, But Speaking in Tongues Slumps

Churches continue to grow and diversify at enviable rate. But is distinctive teaching being lost amid outreach efforts?

One of America's largest Pentecostal denominations may be losing one of its defining characteristics容ven as it continues to grow and diversify at an enviable rate.

As Assemblies of God (AG) leaders meet this week in Orlando for their biennial conference, recently released statistics paint a healthy portrait.

The AG's U.S. division grew more than twice as fast as the American population in 2012 (1.8 percent vs. 0.7 percent), gaining almost 54,000 adherents to now number nearly 3.1 million worshipers at more than 12,700 churches (up 127 from 2011). (Worldwide, the AG gained nearly 1 million adherents in 2012 to surpass 66 million.)

It is also increasingly diverse: Today, only 59% of U.S. adherents are white.

Such growth makes the AG increasingly distinct from other major Americans denominations擁ncluding the Episcopal Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), and United Methodist Church葉hat continue to face steady declines.

But the AG is becoming less distinct in another way: more and more adherents seem to be "holding their tongues."

CT previously reported how AG leaders have asked whether the denomination's distinctive teaching on speaking in tongues is being lost amid outreach efforts. AG churches believe "the baptism in the Holy Spirit with the initial physical evidence of speaking in other tongues is the promise of the Father to every Christian who desires the experience."

However, while water baptisms rose by 3.9% to a near-record high of more than 131,700 last year, spirit baptisms decreased 2.9% to less than 82,000葉he lowest total since 1995.

The number of spirit baptisms has gradually fallen since peaking in 1997 at 101,700. (Water baptisms have always outnumbered spirit baptisms since the AG first released statistics in 1979.)

CT regularly reports on the Assemblies of God, including the denomination's alternative to the Boy Scouts, recent debate over Wycliffe Bible Translators' "Son of God" translation policies, and all you need to know about the AG.


http://www.christianitytoday.com/gle...tml?paging=off

Originalist 07-18-2014 04:07 PM

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This is why I left that sinking ship years ago.

navygoat1998 07-18-2014 04:18 PM

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Not all are! Our church!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOl70e5WlA8

Originalist 07-18-2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1325869)

Thank God.

n david 07-18-2014 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1325869)

Wait a minute...one can't simply receive the Holy Ghost like that...there's no loud shoutin music playing! :lol

Seriously, that is AWESOME! I love that there's no music playing at all, just people praying and receiving the Holy Ghost.

Abiding Now 07-18-2014 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1325872)
Wait a minute...one can't simply receive the Holy Ghost like that...there's no loud shoutin music playing! :lol

Seriously, that is AWESOME! I love that there's no music playing at all, just people praying and receiving the Holy Ghost.

I've been in services like that and it is awesome. I heard folks speaking in tongues, but was wondering how you knew someone had received the Holy Ghost.

houston 07-18-2014 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1325869)

That scared me.

navygoat1998 07-18-2014 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1325884)
That scared me.

:heeheehee

houston 07-18-2014 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1325888)
:heeheehee

Why are you laughing at me?

navygoat1998 07-18-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1325892)
Why are you laughing at me?

Why would that scare you?

houston 07-18-2014 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1325894)
Why would that scare you?

I haven't been in a service like that in a few years. I do like how people asked and received. No one shook them or yelled in their ears.

Servetus 07-18-2014 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1325869)

It doesn't seem like most of what passes as speaking in tongues now has any relation to tongues (as languages) in the book of Acts. I'm skeptical about whether speaking in tongues as we know it is biblical at all. I also see no scriptural support for when pastors start "speaking in tongues" into the mic when they are not giving a message in tongues and when another is not interpreting. I'm also skeptical about people being told to "open their mouths to let the Spirit out". I personally don't see Biblical justification for most of the "spiritual" activity in pentecostalism.

houston 07-18-2014 10:40 PM

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Did he say "let the spirit out?" Wow. I couldn't make out what he was saying.

Jason B 07-18-2014 10:50 PM

In the video the pastor says "open your mouth and release it, let it out right now". I'm not sure if that refers to the Spirit or the sound of tongues.

Abiding Now 07-19-2014 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Servetus (Post 1325903)
It doesn't seem like most of what passes as speaking in tongues now has any relation to tongues (as languages) in the book of Acts. I'm skeptical about whether speaking in tongues as we know it is biblical at all. I also see no scriptural support for when pastors start "speaking in tongues" into the mic when they are not giving a message in tongues and when another is not interpreting. I'm also skeptical about people being told to "open their mouths to let the Spirit out". I personally don't see Biblical justification for most of the "spiritual" activity in pentecostalism.

Could you expound on the bolded? Thanks.

peter83 09-13-2014 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1325872)
Wait a minute...one can't simply receive the Holy Ghost like that...there's no loud shoutin music playing! :lol

Seriously, that is AWESOME! I love that there's no music playing at all, just people praying and receiving the Holy Ghost.

Yes ,me too!

ixoye_val69 09-13-2014 10:31 AM

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Does a person receive the Holy Spirit by asking or by being baptised? Or is this something that people have differing opinions about?

Jacob's Ladder 09-13-2014 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1325869)

AHHHH....It doesn't matter....Your church is trinitarian anyway..........You're already lost :nod:nod:nod:nod:nod:nod:nod:nod:nod:nod

Evang.Benincasa 09-13-2014 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder (Post 1335275)
AHHHH....It doesn't matter....Your church is trinitarian anyway..........You're already lost :nod:nod:nod:nod:nod:nod:nod:nod:nod:nod

All Trinitarians just repeat this album from the seventies and call it tongues. :heeheehee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWK_Josc0Og

Praxeas 09-13-2014 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1325855)
Assemblies of God Surge, But Speaking in Tongues Slumps

Churches continue to grow and diversify at enviable rate. But is distinctive teaching being lost amid outreach efforts?

One of America's largest Pentecostal denominations may be losing one of its defining characteristics容ven as it continues to grow and diversify at an enviable rate.

As Assemblies of God (AG) leaders meet this week in Orlando for their biennial conference, recently released statistics paint a healthy portrait.

The AG's U.S. division grew more than twice as fast as the American population in 2012 (1.8 percent vs. 0.7 percent), gaining almost 54,000 adherents to now number nearly 3.1 million worshipers at more than 12,700 churches (up 127 from 2011). (Worldwide, the AG gained nearly 1 million adherents in 2012 to surpass 66 million.)

It is also increasingly diverse: Today, only 59% of U.S. adherents are white.

Such growth makes the AG increasingly distinct from other major Americans denominations擁ncluding the Episcopal Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), and United Methodist Church葉hat continue to face steady declines.

But the AG is becoming less distinct in another way: more and more adherents seem to be "holding their tongues."

CT previously reported how AG leaders have asked whether the denomination's distinctive teaching on speaking in tongues is being lost amid outreach efforts. AG churches believe "the baptism in the Holy Spirit with the initial physical evidence of speaking in other tongues is the promise of the Father to every Christian who desires the experience."

However, while water baptisms rose by 3.9% to a near-record high of more than 131,700 last year, spirit baptisms decreased 2.9% to less than 82,000葉he lowest total since 1995.

The number of spirit baptisms has gradually fallen since peaking in 1997 at 101,700. (Water baptisms have always outnumbered spirit baptisms since the AG first released statistics in 1979.)

CT regularly reports on the Assemblies of God, including the denomination's alternative to the Boy Scouts, recent debate over Wycliffe Bible Translators' "Son of God" translation policies, and all you need to know about the AG.


http://www.christianitytoday.com/gle...tml?paging=off

This happens in a lot of "Once Were Pentecostal" churches.

They want to appeal to a larger market.

Praxeas 09-13-2014 02:39 PM

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And yes there are still a lot of AoGs that are still Pentecostal.

BrotherEastman 09-13-2014 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Servetus (Post 1325903)
It doesn't seem like most of what passes as speaking in tongues now has any relation to tongues (as languages) in the book of Acts. I'm skeptical about whether speaking in tongues as we know it is biblical at all. I also see no scriptural support for when pastors start "speaking in tongues" into the mic when they are not giving a message in tongues and when another is not interpreting. I'm also skeptical about people being told to "open their mouths to let the Spirit out". I personally don't see Biblical justification for most of the "spiritual" activity in pentecostalism.

I'm sure people know whether receiving the HG by speaking in tongues or not is real. Not only that, I am CONVINCED that it is biblical in the way it is done.

Evang.Benincasa 09-13-2014 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1335282)
This happens in a lot of "Once Were Pentecostal" churches.

They want to appeal to a larger market.

Turn key no one offended business.


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