The Pilgrimage to Little Rock
 

Well, some on this forum have now made your yearly pilgrimage to Mecca at Little Rock, paying your respects to the large edifice there in the honor of men.

So, how did your trip go?

How did you feel when you looked at the golden Moroni angel above and behind the pulpit?

Did you get the sense of idolatry or was it business as usual?

Isn't it amazing that when we look at the Book we see where the only thing that God said to build was the Tabernacle.

We see the temples being build to glorify man, not God. Poor ol David could not get it right on this one, walking in his flesh as he were.

God told David that David's son would build the temple. David thought it meant Solomon, God meant Jesus Christ. God was referring to the Temple of the Body of Christ.

We see that when Solomon build the temple that from then on it is referred to as Solomon's Temple. When Herod built his temple it is referred to as Herod's Temple. The edifice there in Little Rock is called JH's church. But the Tabernacle is called either the Tabernacle of God or the Tabernacle in the Wilderness. Stephen called it the Church in the Wilderness.

When you went to the Tabernacle your eyes were immediately drawn to the glory cloud, overshadowing the tent. Yet when the queen of Sheba visited Solomon we see that she was drawn to the glory of the buildings, not the glory of the Cloud.

We see this also in Matthew 24 when even the disciples got caught up in the glory of the buildings. Jesus had to remind them that within a generation that was all going to end. How many times have we seen, even in Pentecost, where it only takes one generation to see the end of the glory of the buildings.

God deliver us from the same mistakes that have been made over and over. Men building temples for their glory and God then walks out. Just as He did to the Solomon's Temple, the Glory cloud first went to the doors, then to the gate of the city then to the mount, then left for good. He will not share His glory with another.

Man builds temples, God builds Tabernacles.

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Sorry, I'm outta the loop on this one... What "Temple"?

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Joel Holmes' camp meeting for GIBS. (Good independent brethren)

This is not a UPCI sanctioned camp meeting.

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Google : Joel Holmes little rock images. You will see what I mean about the angel and the edifice.

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Wow never thought of it like that. Thanks for the post!:thumbsup

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Quite elaborate to say the least! An angel, yep that does have the Mormon look to it alright. Must have cost a pretty penny to raise such an edifice. But, I am not one to judge another man's work in making a building dedicated to the Lord look elaborate.

My home church needs some major work done on it. We do not have central A/C, because of vandals, and operate on six window units to cool the sanctuary, one in the foyer. I would love to have the finances to do a full remodel of this wonderful place of worship. I would love to have a sheetrock ceiling, better lighting, and yes, central air and heat. But, though we do not have these amenities, we have prayer meeting, Jesus name baptism, holiness unto the Lord, the love of God according to the Word, and godly leadership.

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:throwrock

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Bitterness is a harsh taskmaster. :smack

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Nah, I been fighting that spirit of idolitry all my life, I know what that angel stands for in the spirit.

Anywhere you see a focus on angels like you see there you will also see idolitry and sexual perversion. Ask anyone who lives in Utah or surrounding states that have a large mormon influence.

People in Little Rock may be ignorant of the meaning but not those in the west.

There was another church in Kansas, large conservative icon, has stained glass windows running up the center of the sanctuary. Pictures of angels. That church has also had a history of sexual perversion and idolitry. Think they may be connected or is this just chance?

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Bro Price, God bless you and that work there in that city.

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David even misinterpreted the Word of God.

1Ch 22:8 But the word of the LORD came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build a house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight.
1Ch 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.
1Ch 22:10 He shall build a house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.
1Ch 22:11 Now, my son, the LORD be with thee; and prosper thou, and build the house of the LORD thy God, as he hath said of thee.

Solomon echoed those words also.

1Ki 8:18 And the LORD said unto David my father, Whereas it was in thine heart to build a house unto my name, thou didst well that it was in thine heart.
1Ki 8:19 Nevertheless thou shalt not build the house; but thy son that shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house unto my name.
1Ki 8:20 And the LORD hath performed his word that he spoke, and I am risen up in the room of David my father, and sit on the throne of Israel, as the LORD promised, and have built a house for the name of the LORD God of Israel.

But what God did say was this.

1Ki 5:5 And, behold, I purpose to build a house unto the name of the LORD my God, as the LORD spoke unto David my father, saying, Thy son, whom I will set upon thy throne in thy room, he shall build a house unto my name.

We see this fulfilled in Matthew 1:1

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

The Temple Jesus Built was His Body, the Church.

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Paul wrote,

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Again, men build temples, God builds Tabernacles.

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I had never thought to look at the pictures of the inside of the Little Rock edifice. Wow is all I can say.

You raised some interesting issues. I do agree with what you said "Man builds temples. God builds tabernacles". Indeed, we are the tabernacle that the Lord dwells in, not buildings.

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While I might not like the angel hanging over the platform, neither am I going to criticize him for having a fine edifice dedicated to the worship of Jesus Christ. Everything I hear and see tells me that he is a fine man, with a fine church, doing a great work. Never have been to the Little Rock church, but would like to go.

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He should put an accurate representation of an angel. Not a man with wings.

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May I say, as our dear sister Cindy used to say, Good Grief! I guess I should be amazed but sadly am not at the things people pick to gripe and complain about.

Different churches have different personalities and appeal to different demographics of people. For folks who seek a traditional building for their services I think NLR is hard to beat. An absolutely beautiful building that was built and paid for in a responsible way. That church is not in debt millions of dollars for that building.

I am eclelctic and enjoy both traditional looking churches like this one and the modern distressed look of the church I am a member of that meets in a 113 year old warehouse / factory that was converted into a church building.

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Amen.

Songs of Solomon 8:6 ......jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

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You know what's absolutely amazing, God is SUPPOSEDLY against these "man-made temples" and yet...

2Chron. 7:1 Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the glory of the LORD filled the house.

2Chron. 7:2 And the priests could not enter into the house of the LORD, because the glory of the LORD had filled the LORD'S house.

2Chron. 7:3 And when all the children of Israel saw how the fire came down, and the glory of the LORD upon the house, they bowed themselves with their faces to the ground upon the pavement, and worshipped, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.


:heeheehee

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BTW. I wasn't at the camp meeting. :D

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Oh yeah, remember Jesus even went to the "man-made temple" and blessed the people there.

Matt. 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
Matt. 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Matt. 21:14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.

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:happydance

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God evidently was confused.:highfive

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Jesus was confused?:highfive

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I am not personally crazy about the angel. But we don't even have a steeple or a cross. However God did tell Moses to have them on the Mercy Seat which was in the tabernacle and temple.

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Not one angel, but TWO angels on the mercy seat. What was God thinking! Surely Moses knew "Anywhere you see a focus on angels like you see there you will also see idolitry and sexual perversion".
:banghead

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As usual I will take Brother Holmes side...I think that is HIS business....our churches here do not have crosses or angles...a few have a painted golden candlestick or something like that...It is a wonderful church and Brother Holmes is a wonderful man...I went to school with him and his sisters...I have known them all my life... They have been good to home missions, foreign missions and people from all walks of life...unless you do more it might be better just to pray for them. We really hurt the cause of Christ saying things like this on a world wide forum...

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:thumbsup

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Say WHAT????

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Of all the things that I have read of late around here, this has got to be the worse and most dangerous thing I have read. When a man starts degrading the Word, then there is no stopping place. MAYBE Moses "misinterpreted the Word of God" with Deut. 6:4 and Peter "misinterpreted the Word of God" in Acts 2:38. And the list goes on and on. :banghead

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Sadly, as I have seen in the past several months, that is becoming common place. From someone who used to be sandy, stand firm on The Rock of Christ people. His Word is eternal, and His truth is indeed everlasting.

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:thumbsup

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True

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Many UPC preacher go to NLR. I pastor a UPC church ( at least it is in name). Several of our people where there this year and said it was wonderful. I have been many times in the past and hope to return in the future

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Amen, Sis. Alvear.

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LOL

This is histerical. Idiocy at its finest. NLR has no "focus on angels".

An angel with a trumpet too its mouth will be Jesus' introduction when he comes. Not sure how a reminder that Jesus' is coming back has any connection to "idolatry and sexual perversion". But, I have seen a lot of people be turned over to reprobacy when they lose their fear of God and expectancy for a soon return of the Lord.....Just sayin.

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now View Post
Not one angel, but TWO angels on the mercy seat. What was God thinking! Surely Moses knew "Anywhere you see a focus on angels like you see there you will also see idolitry and sexual perversion".

This statement may be true in some ways but it is not a fact at NLR church...I have never even heard Brother Holmes mention the angel....I have heard a lot of people say hurtful things about Brother Holmes and his building and even his people....however to run the mouth is cheap...to do what he does is another thing....He knows people say things and he even has preachers peach for him that says things...he does not let their words bother him...

No matter what you do in life if you are successful there are those who criticize....I always tend to notice how much corn a person has in their crib when they start running their mouth...

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Just wow...
You have no clue what price was paid, what that church went through or anything.
But you want to slander and throw stones.
Amazing...

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TJJJ is making a judgment on something he knows nothing about.

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amen

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PLEASE NOTE! I was quoting TJJJ I did NOT make the accusation "Anywhere you see a focus on angels like you see there you will also see idolitry and sexual perversion". I have defended JH on this thread. Go back and read all the posts before you quote me and give me the slam dunk. Thanks.

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Absolutely.