The Seven Spirits of God
 

I got a good question on another forum that challenged by theological training and wanted to post it here and see what everybody thinks. Here is how the conversation went:

"Original Question: Two quick questions for anyone willing to answer: 1. Are "the spirit of Christ" (Romans 8:9) and the Holy Spirit one and the same spirit? 2.How many spirits does God have?

ME: There is one Spirit (Eph 4:4) and the Lord is that Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17).

Him: Revelation 3:1
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Revelation 4:5
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

ME: the book of revelation is using the word Spirit to denote messengers or angels.

HIM: how do you know that?

ME: That is what is commonly believed by theologians. Because the Bible cannot contradict itself, God cannot simultaneously be on and be seven. It is also commonly believed that because the word angel was used to denote pastors or leaders of each church that the word Spirit was used to denote angels. It is interesting that the Greek word is pneuma, which if the same word used for the holy ghost.. Some of course teach that this is just John's vision and so not a real depiction of heaven but more of an allegory. Whatever we believe it would still be impossible for God to be one and be seven at the same time.

HIM: Why can't God be whatever He wants? He is infinite and omnipresent. I'm not sure there would be a contradiction anyway, the passage that speaks of one spirit could be referring to one spirit in charge of the church and salvation of man, or it could be that God's spirit is somehow divided into seven persons, or personages. The underlying point I am trying to make is that God is not simply quantified or bound by our finite ability to understand Him, so the whole Trinity oneness debate would seem to be a bit of a waste of time."

So, in my theological training I went back to the old standard, God's word cannot contradict itself. I am searching the scripture and I cannot for the life of me find a scripture that says God's Word cannot contradict itself. I know I have always been taught this, and just accepted in on face value because it seems to be a no brainer!

But is there a scripture or group of scriptures that would solidify this concept?

Thanks,
Jose

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It does not say God IS 7 Spirits. It says the 7 spirits of God. There were 7 churches and 7 angels

Angels are spirits

Jesus said God is spirit, not spirits

It also says 7 stars. So is God now 7 stars?
Yeah I don't agree with that guy

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Right Praxeus, I don't believe him either, but can I prove it with scripture? And if the 7 spirits of God are angels, why did John use the Word pneuma (not used in the Bible anywhere else for angel, just for the Spirit of God)? How do we explain the multiplicity of "Spirits" that is spoken of?

And to my original question, where does the Bible say it cannot contradict itself?

Jose

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Just opened up this thread on my computer and at same time
was looking at my twitter account on my phone.
First posts I saw was talking about the same thing.
The twitter post stated....

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Might God have more than three modes of existence?

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"Original Question: Two quick questions for anyone willing to answer: 1. Are "the spirit of Christ" (Romans 8:9) and the Holy Spirit one and the same spirit? 2.How many spirits does God have? Quote JOSESANTOS




But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Brother, its quite simple, Our Lord Jesus had the Holy Ghost(Luke 4:1). That Spirit that dwelt in him also dwells in us today. It is the exact same Spirit.

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I am beginning to understand that God is beyond comprehension by humans.

God is indeed one and indivisible, but I am begging to think that he is multidimensional. Not that he is three different persons, for he is one person, but with no limitations as to his nature.

Perhaps we have limited God because we humans are limited, so we tend to think of him within our own limitations.

so to my new realization God is not a trinity, but a numberless multiplicity of selfs. Thousands of us claim to receive God in our spirit, the scriptures say that God dwells in his people.

we receive the spirit of Christ in us, so how could Christ reside in millions of Christians around the world, unless he had an infinite supply of selves.

We Christians receive God in us and he dwells in us, yet no one would claim that he has the whole of God within himself, yet at the same time we do have the whole that God is within ourselves.

So in conclusion, I would say that God indeed has more than three modes of existence, he has an unlimited (beyond numbers) modes of existence. :2cents

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Yes Bro. Flaming, I believe that we are trying to understand God with our human understanding, which is nigh to impossible. When Paul went up into the third heaven, he received and saw things which he was not even able to begin to explain to others. What did he see?

I don't want to limit God with my human understanding. One thing for certain, Jesus is an extension of God himself in this world... and however it all came to be, I think humans will forever limit themselves in believing they have all the answers. We still don't know everything on what we can see around us... one scientist offers one explanation for a series of events, while another offers his. Who is right? How do we know who to believe? Only God himself has the answers as the Creator... and the rest of us are just bumbling along thinking we "know it all", while we perhaps have just grasped a piece of the puzzle, and have no clue about the rest of the puzzle at all.

I have come to the understanding, that the Creator of this universe we live in is so much bigger than all of His creation combined... and we will never fully and completely be able to understand the intricate workings of God and Christ until perhaps the day when we lose our mortality, and are changed into immortality, and perhaps then we may be able to see and know HIM as He is.

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Angels ARE called spirits.

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels has he ever said, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to serve those who will inherit salvation?

1Ki 22:19 Micaiah said, "That being the case, hear the word of the Lord. I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, with all the heavenly assembly standing on his right and on his left.
1Ki 22:20 The Lord said, 'Who will deceive Ahab, so he will attack Ramoth Gilead and die there?' One said this and another that.
1Ki 22:21 Then a spirit stepped forward and stood before the Lord. He said, 'I will deceive him.' The Lord asked him, 'How?'
1Ki 22:22 He replied, 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets.' The Lord said, 'Deceive and overpower him. Go out and do as you have proposed.'

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That was the question? Well I don't know offhand but if two things contradict each other, then one of them is true and the other is false or both are false, but both can't be true

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1 Cor.12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9-- To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10-- To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body:so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

I don't believe the bible explicitly says that it doesn't contradict itself, but human logic tells me if it does contradict itself than how would you be able to trust anything else it says. What may seem to be contradictions is really just a lack of understanding on our part. We may not understand all the details, but I think we must believe the word of God is infalliable.

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Where is the world's foremost expert in The Seven Spirits of God when you need him?

Oh. Wait. Maybe he is here.

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Thanks Praxeas, I hadn't considered that verse, also using pneuma and referring to angels. That clarifies that!

But what about a scripture that tells us the Word of God must not contradict itself?

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OK Sam, that has been my training as well. But why? If God's wisdom is beyond our understanding, why not? Infallible is not the same thing as contradictory. I was just wondering if there is a scripture anywhere or principle in the Word of God that tells us this, that's all.

Jose

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I don't think scripture anywhere says it is infallible, it says it is profitable for instruction in righteousness, and doctrine, and is inspired by God. But that deals with those parts that fit those classifications.

I think the biggest reason we think all scripture must be infallible is our view of God and his intent for mankind.

The bible is a compilation put together by men to tell a story, that being the story of the redemption of mankind. Not a list of rules and regulations as to how to get saved.

If we look at the bible as the story of say the evolution of mankind from a state of primitiveness to the time when he is ready to be restored to fellowship with God, then is does not matter if the bible is infallible or not, we can learn from the lessons of the ages as to how we are to deal in relationship with God and our fellow man.

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If our Bible is not infallible, it is NOT fully Gods' word and we are completely wasting our time here. The day I come to that conclusion is the day I say "adios" to religion all together. (I would have to join NFS as banned)...LOL


Our responsibility is to figure out which Bible represents Gods' word and what the original teachings are it is telling us. There is only ONE true interpretation, but MANY applications.

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Of course the original Bible was infallible, it was fully God's word.
The problem is that fallible humans beings were in charge of keeping it and passing it along.
a tiny human error here and a tiny human error there, and eventually we have a whole bunch of variations in the copying process.

we have over 5,800 Greek manuscripts, each one different from each other.
Our responsibility is to figure out which texts in those manuscripts represent best the original words. There is only ONE true original text, but many variations.

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God's word is infallible, the written word is not and never has been. We seem to think we must have God's written word perfect, word for word in order for it to be valid. Even Paul said we live by the spirit of the word not the letter.
You can say the manuscripts are different from each other, but the fact is while they may say things with different words the meaning is the same.

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The only word we have from God IS the written word....We have thousands of witnesses(exact copies, contrary to the theory of FZW) of manuscripts (textus receptus) that VALIDATE our Bible as the word of God. We have WAY more than the 2 or 3 witnesses needed to establish it. If we did not have these texts, I would join yours and FZWs line of reasoning. Then I would go back to smokin doobies..LOL

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Why do I need a verse that tells me the word of God does not contradict itself?

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Doctor Daniel B. Wallace Professor of New Testament Studies is a strong defender of the scriptures and yet he admits that all the Greek manuscripts have variations.

copying was done by hand, which is well known to be unreliable, so where exactly are these "exact" copies.

My faith stands upon Jesus Christ, I read the Bible and accept it as the word of God, and yet I have no problem accepting that there are minor variations in the Greek manuscripts, it does nothing to destroy or shake my faith at all, I have no desire to go back to smoking doobies. (not that I ever did) :heeheehee

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Dr Walter Vieth, of the KJV thread we debated a few months ago, and many others of like mindedness, said there are very slight variations in only a few copies of the THOUSANDS of exact copies of the Textus Receptus. They(the translators) did not insert any variations in the final work to give us our translation of the Bible we have. I am of the camp that believes that the Lord Jesus has preserved His word for our generation. I will not believe in a Bible as the Word of God that is "kinda right"...Gods' spoken word is completely true and His written word also must be completely true, or either His spoken and written word has been lost through antiquity and the TRUTH is up for grabs.

I will not believe the reprobate PHDs on the history channel. Jesus did preserve His word for us and it was baptized with the blood of the martyrs.

So, for me...no doobies in my future...LOL

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If you don't believe the written word of God is infallible then how can you be sure Paul really said that. If you discredit one part of the Bible then how can you defend another part of it. One lie is all it takes to be labeled a liar. To each there own, but my faith is its infallible.

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Brother G.S., if you get some time, watch this video. It tells us where all the Bible versions actually come from and how our Received Text Bible is infallible. You wont regret watching it!

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1...of-the-bibles/

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Of course we believe the "original" word of God is infallible.
The reason scholars study all the Greek Manuscripts is to determine which is the "original" text that was written. They compare the different variations among the texts and seek to determine which of the variations is most likely to be the "original" text.

a mistake in copying the scriptures is not a lie, it is simply a mistake. That is why the scholars compare all those texts to determine which is the mistake.

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I trust the KJV and I don't need a lot of extra research to verify it. You will have some scholars say this and others saying that, but I would rather just trust the JKV. I have found it not to contradict itself and at times when I thought I read something questionable I later understood.

To me if a Bible says the words "Paul said" and he really didn't say it then it would be a lie. I trust it as it is and I don't think we need to be looking for something better. I believe in being Spirit led, but if it is contrary to my KJV Bible I am going to keep seeking God and follow the Bible. I seek after God's Spirit in my life and I know the Holy Ghost will not lead me wrong, but I know sometimes I can miss it so I'll line it up with the KJV.

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You completely missed the point. Every translation from one language to another has variations in the way the wording comes across. But it does not change the meaning or the message. The meaning and message is infallible.
And I don't believe I said, anything about discrediting any part of the Bible.

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Go away you heathen, if the KJV was good enough for Paul and Peter it is good enough for me. :heeheehee

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Sorry if I misunderstood you, but I took you to mean the message of the Bible.
Its true that three people can have the same message and write with different wording. One could say you are cool, one could say you are awesome, and another could say hip. Our words could be different and our message the same.

although our words might be different the meaning would be the same. If you keep the meaning then there will be no contradictions. Thus the Bible would infallible.

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I agree with FZ about the KJV. I think we can stand on the KJV Bible.

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FZ was jerking your chain bro. You must be careful on this site. There are folks that are dying to mess with you. Reread his last post to Godsdrummer...


Actually, FZ has great disdain towards the KJV only group.

These are a couple of his quotes in our KJV only debate, just to know who your dealing with...

The KJV Only movement has a few kooks, that video should have come with a warning.
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I consider the attacks upon all the other translations as pure nonsense from some deluded brainwashed extremists.
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Well as a former KJV Only believer, I could say to have disdain for the KJV Only group, since I am not longer in their camp.

Yet I mostly read the KJV. (Kind of ironic, isn't it)
I like the KJV Bible, I think it was a great translation (outdated, but nevertheless great)

But I also read many other translations (I kind of like the NIV) and I also consider them the word of God.

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[QUOTE=Sean;1330287][COLOR="Red"]FZ was jerking your chain bro. You must be careful on this site. There are folks that are dying to mess with you. Reread his last post to Godsdrummer...


Actually, FZ has great disdain towards the KJV only group.

These are a couple of his quotes in our KJV only debate, just to know who your dealing with...

The KJV Only movement has a few kooks, that video should have come with a warning.
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I consider the attacks upon all the other translations as pure nonsense from some deluded brainwashed extremists.
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I see. It was late last night and evidently it went right over my head. I have been taught from the KJV since I was a child. I will not say whether other translations are correct or not, but I don't have the time to try out every version to see if it is harmonious with KJV. So I will stick with the one Bible.

I use other translations and also commentators sometimes for clarification, but in the end I feel like you can read the word and let the Spirit of God reveal it to you. Just because some people are very smart doesn't make them right.

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We can stand upon all translations, if you think God can keep his word in one translation why not all?

Some one said you don't have to go to college and get a PHD to understand the bible. While you don't need a PHD, you do need at least a little understanding of the cultural, differences. Words had different meanings in those times than they do today, sometime only slightly but if one does not at least study and understand the times the bible was written in it will make the message different than it was intended.

Another something that just came to me. When someone holds one translation higher than another, it is usually because the wording of other translations does not back up a certain doctrine.
We of the English speaking people think we have the handle on the translation of Scripture, But even our bibles are translations from Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. Word for word translations from one language from another all have problems, the best we can do is get to the primary message.
Take a recipe for an omelet, as a cook I will look up two or three recipes to find the primary ingredients and then make an omelet adding or taking away the extra ingredients, to get the omelet of my liking. It is still an omelet.

As I said before, when some one rejects one translation over another it is primarily when the wording of another translation takes away from a doctrine or does not back up a doctrine they think is biblical.
The problem is not bible translations, but rather unbiblical doctrines.

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I have done professional translations, and I do understand the problems of translation.

If you give a book to translate from one language to another to ten translators, each translator will use different words, but all ten will give essentially the same meaning.

most people who are KJV Only have very little understanding of the process of translation.

Yo he hecho traducciones profesionales, y yo comprendo los problemas de traducción.

Si tu das un libro a traducir de un lenguaje a otro, a diez traductores, cada traductor usara palabras diferentes, pero todos los diez darán esencialmente el mismo significado.

La mayoría de la gente que es KJV Solamente tienen muy poquita comprensión del proceso de traducción. :heeheehee

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer View Post
We can stand upon all translations, if you think God can keep his word in one translation why not all?





One of the examples of false bibles they use...(reposted by Sean)

The NIV leaves out 16 entire New Testament verses!


1. Matthew 17:21: "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting."

2. Matthew 18:11: "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."

3. Matthew 23:14: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."

4. Mark 7:16: "If any man have ears to hear, let him hear."

5. Mark 9:44: "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

6. Mark 9:46: "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

7. Mark 11:26: "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."

8. Mark 15:28: "And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors."

9. Luke 17:36: "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

10. John 5:4: "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had."

11. Acts 8:37: "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

12. Acts 15:34: "Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still."

13. Acts 24:7: "But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,"

14. Acts 28:29: "And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves."

15. Romans 16:24: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."

16. I John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."



Missing and Incorrectly Translated Verses in The NIV

Matthew 6:13b
Here the NIV omits an important part of the "Lord's Prayer, “For Thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory for ever, Amen.”

Matthew 8:29
NIV translators omitted the name, "Jesus,” thou Son of God.

Matthew 17:21
The NIV omits verse 21.(This verse is in the original Greek manuscripts.) Did some of the translators of the NIV not believe in prayer and fasting?

Matthew 19:17
This verse should be stated correctly as, as in the KJV “Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God:”

Matthew 23:14
The NIV omitted this verse completely. Some of the translators of the NIV evidently did not like the word “damnation.”

Matthew 23:23
The word “faith” and the word “faithfulness” do not mean the same. The KJV of the Bible says, “By faith we are saved,” not by “faithfulness. The book of Hebrews 11:1 says, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."


Mark 9:29
The NIV omitted “fasting.” Our Lord Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights.

Mark 13:33
The KJV says, “Watch and Pray.” It is not the same as “be on guard! Be alert!” as translated in the NIV

Mark 15:28
This verse was omitted from the NIV. This is a very important verse, as it is part of a prophecy from the book of Isaiah 53:12b in the Old Testament.

Luke 4:4
Words omitted in this verse, “but by every Word of God.” (This is one of the most important verses in the Bible) See Deuteronomy 8:3b NIV "man does not live by bread alone."

Luke 4:8
"Get thee behind me Satan," in the KJV. Why did the NIV translators not put these words in?

Luke 6:40
“Perfect" is not the same as “fully trained," as stated in the NIV. Jesus wants us to be perfect in Him, not “fully trained.”

Luke 5:20
Jesus did not call the sinner “friend,” as translated in the NIV. He called him, “man,” as translated in the KJV

Luke 11:2-4
When we pray the Lord’s Prayer, we pray “Our Father which art in Heaven"
The NIV omitted the words “Our” and only mentions “Father.” Are they referring to another father?
In addition, “deliver us from evil” was omitted in verse 4 by the NIV translators. Did they not see a need for deliverance?

Luke 12:31
Here again the NIV omits these important words. It should say “The kingdom of God.” The NIV says, “his kingdom.” To which kingdom are they referring?

Luke 21:19
“Patience” is a gift of the Holy Spirit -- “Standing firm” is not the same.

John 4:42
The NIV omitted the “Christ” which means “Anointed One.”

John 9:35
In this particular verse, It should be “Son of God” and not, “son of man,” as the NIV translates it.


John 6:47
NIV says, “he who believes.” Should be, “He who believes on me has everlasting life.”


Acts 10:30
(NIV omitted “fasting.” Fasting is powerful for seeing answers to our needs.

Acts 8:37
NIV omitted this entire verse The KJV "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." This scripture is vital to the message of the good news of Jesus Christ.

Acts 10:30
NIV omitted the word “fasting” – fasting is powerful for seeing needs being met.

Acts 22:16
NIV says “Calling on his name.”
KJV says “The Name of the Lord.”

Romans 11:6
The NIV is not very clear on this verse and the KJV explains “Grace and Works.” The NIV omits, ”But if it be of works, then it is no more grace.”

1 Corinthians 14:2
Two errors are in this verse. Firstly, it should read, “unknown tongue” and secondly it is by “the Spirit” (Holy Spirit) and not the spirit of man as in the NIV. Speaking in tongues is not by man’s understanding of the “unknown tongue.” The spirit of man has nothing to do with the “unknown tongue.”

11 Corinthians 7:4
KJV says, “boldness of speech.”NIV says, “I have great confidence in you.”

11 Corinthians 10:5
KJV “Casting down imaginations” is correct. NIV says, “demolish arguments.”


Galatians 5:22
The NIV translators used the word “faithfulness” in place of the word ”faith.” We are saved by faith and not by being faithful

Galatians 6:15
NIV omits “for in Christ Jesus” in this verse.

Ephesians 3:9
NIV omitted “created all things by Jesus Christ.” Revelation 22:19 warns us about taking away from the Word of God.

Ephesians 3:14
KJV says, “I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
NIV says, “I kneel before the Father.” (Which father are they talking about?)

Philippians 3:21
KJV says, “Vile bodies.” NIV says, “lowly bodies.” These words have different meanings. Vile means sinful and lowly means humble.

Ephesians 5:9
KJV says “Fruit of the Spirit.” NIV says, “Fruit of the light.”

Philippians 4:13
KJV says, “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.” NIV says, “I can do everything through him.”(Who are they talking about here?)

Colossians 1:2
The NIV omitted, “and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Colossians 2: 18
The NIV says, “What he has seen.” The KJV says, “Things he hath not seen.” A careless translation.

1 Timothy 2: 7
KJV says, “Truth in Christ.” NIV says, “Truth.” (There is only truth in Christ)

1 Timothy 3:16
NIV says “He appeared in a body.” The KJV says, “God was manifest in the flesh.”

2 Timothy 3:17
KJV says, “That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”
NIV says, “So that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
(A soldier can be equipped for warfare, but not perfect. Only Christ brings perfection.)


Hebrews 3:6
We are “rejoicing” and not “boasting” as translated in the NIV

Hebrews 3:18
KJV says, “To them that believed not.” NIV says, “ Not to those who disobeyed.”

Hebrews 4:12
KJV says, “The Word is quick and powerful,” not as in the NIV “quick and active.” One can be active without being powerful. It is the “Power of God,” that sets us free, not “activity.”

Hebrews 13:21
Should be “make you perfect” (KJV) not “equip” you as in the NIV, There is a vast difference. (See comments on 2 Tim 3:17)

I Peter 1:22
Should be “with a pure heart” as in KJV not just heart, NIV everyone has a heart, but only Gods children have pure hearts.

1 Peter 2:2
“Milk of the Word” is correct and easy to understand even for a child, but what does the NIV mean by spiritual milk? The emphasis should be on the Word of God, and not on milk.

2 Peter 1:21
Should be “holy men,” that is men touched by the Holy Spirit, and not “men” as translated in the NIV.

1 John 5:13
The NIV left out the last part of this verse which is important and reads, “and that ye may believe on the Name of the Son of God.”

Jude 1
The NIV left out the word "sanctified." We are sinners who are sanctified ( cleansed by the blood of Jesus, when He paid for our sins with his precious blood).

Revelation 1:11
The NIV omitted the very important words, “I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST.” This is the Name ascribed to Jesus Christ.

Revelation 21:24
The nations “which are saved” in the KJV, and not just "the nations" as the NIV says, we need to be saved, born again of the Spirit of God.

There are many more verses in both the New Testament as well as the Old Testament, which are in error in the NIV. Added words, deleted words, changed the meaning or completely left out whole verses, The Lord warns against this practice in the book of Revelation 22:18-19.

Now lets look at some verses in the Old Testament, keeping in mind that not all the books in the NIV are in error. Many translators worked on the NIV; some were sincere, others were used by the devil to corrupt the Word of God.

Isaiah 14:12-15
Here the NIV drops the name, ” Lucifer," which is another name for the devil and replaces it with “Morning Star” in place of "son of the morning" as in the KJV. Jesus is referred to as "Morning Star" as in the book of Revelation 22:16.
The translators make it sound like our Lord Jesus fell from grace, and not Satan, the devil. The devil was cast out of heaven because of pride.

Exodus 6:3
The word “Jehovah” was replaced with the word ”Lord” in the NIV, this is incorrect, because of the following reason. The name “Jehovah” also known as “Yahweh” is a Name by which God is worshiped as the ”Self-Existent One;” One who reveals himself through his creation. In this instance the name ” Lord” would not have done justice to the greatness of God. There are also people who are called Lord. The title ”Lord” in this instance does not speak of the greatness of God.

Proverbs 8:18
"Righteousness" is correct as in the KJV, not "prosperity" as translated in the NIV. A person can be prosperous without being righteous, the world can make us prosperous but it can never make us righteous (in right standing with God: this only comes from Him).

Jeremiah 29:11
Here the NIV replaces the word “Peace” with "prosperity." We can be prosperous without having peace, God is not against His children prospering, but we need to keep the verses in context.

Daniel 3:25
The NIV misses the mark completely here by saying, “the fourth looks like the son of the gods.” "The Son of God," as translated in the KJV, and not “the gods,” as translated in the NIV.
Some of the translators of the NIV have tried to make the Word of God acceptable to all religions. The Word of God cannot be changed to accommodate man, man needs to conform to the Word of God.

Re: The Seven Spirits of God
 

I am not going to copy Seans whole post, for the sake of space, if you want you can read it in the last post.

Further I am not trying to be contentious here at Sean. But as with the many post that Sean posted in the debate room concerning what he thought was rebuttals against fulfilled eschatology, I don't think Sean has taken the time to actually research the writing of others and study this out.
Sean is just parroting what he has been told.

I too was under the reasoning that the KJV was the only right translation, for half of my life. Until I began to honestly search out and compare the translations.
The fact remains that there are just as many contradictions and inconsistencies in the KJV as there are in any translation. But you won't find Sean admitting to that will you.

Re: The Seven Spirits of God
 

Your hypothesis, is greatly flawed, with errors.

Re: The Seven Spirits of God
 

Dogs are called animals.

Re: The Seven Spirits of God
 

Good and evil.

Both contradict each other, both are true.