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Since one was addressed to me I will reply to all.:thumbsup

Some on this forum I have been posting with since Jim Yohe's FCF and become friendly to even though we have fervently disagreed. It was very different then and many of you have changed and I am afraid not for the better.
I have remained the same doctrinally and my manner of posting. I do not nor ever have rejoiced over anyone being lost. A friend started that All Trinitarians are Lost on that forum to stir the pot since we had many on that forum who were Pentecostal but didn't believe the necessity of the new birth message or the necessity of believing the Oneness message. The fussing was fun.
Since many of you do not even go to a Oneness church and not only do not believe the necessity of the Oneness message and in truth despise your birthright I understand you being offended. All I can say is too bad.
My doctrinal positions are absolutes not changing with the wind I have zero desire to please you. Do I want to offend you personally or do I say personal remarks against you? Nope. Unless it is some light sarcasm in fun.
Those who have went through personal ordeals I have prayed for you. On one poster I helped convert back to the truth.
Baptism in Jesus Name, tongues, holiness, church attendance, preachers in general are mocked here on regular basis. Yet folks of my ilk are suppose to take it on the chin and say nothing.
But you let one of us say something about what the majority of us believed and lived at one time then all hell breaks loose. Your skin is as thin as a rotten tomato. Bless your heart.:happydance
I do not have my feelings on my sleeves and not offended by someone who hides behind a moniker like a klansman who runs around in a hood and sheet at night. I have always from day 1 used my name where I would be accountable for what I post. Have I posted posts in heat and regretted them? I most certainly have and have tried to be quick to apologize which normally has been ridiculed.
You might not like me nor what I believe but you are never in doubt where I stand and I stand the same on issues I stood when I started posting years ago on FCF. AND I am NOT going to change.

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Well, that settles that.

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Bro. Epley, I realize your beliefs are "set in stone", but may I ask you this one question sincerely?


Do you teach "perfect" truth? Please answer me...yes or no.

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Where's my Grandma?!?!?!

:heeheehee

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I admire someone standing for what they believe is right. I also admire people who admit when they are wrong. Your posts were straight forward about SP, but if you know something that he has done that has completely crossed the line then I understand your feelings. Some things are better left unsaid though, which you have basically already said.

I don't know you nor Steve Pixlar personally so it has offended me at all. Just been a lot of gossip, I probably don't need to know anyway. Wish you well and looking forward to future posts.

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:yourock

Bro. Epley I don't have a problem with what you believe (though I believe you are wrong), but with your arrogance and hatred toward other Christians (specifically those who don't fit YOUR subjective definition of apostolic), such as myself.

It may well be that the all trinitarians are lost thread goes back years, but it reveals the attitude of those who originally posted it towards the very people Jesus shed His blood for AND nobody forced you to resurrect the thread and repeatedly make harsh sweeping statements against all trinitarians of all times, as well as all those who are oneness but you deem as compromisers. Its not just one thread, but hundreds and probably thousands of vitriolic and inflammatory posts by you over the years aimed at your fellow Christians which has earned you the reputation of the more PC version of Reckhart and Winter.

You lament those of us who don't see many of your sacred cows as essential yet you cannot do something so simple as provide us scriptural exegesis of why a man cannot have facial hair, a woman cannot wear a ring, and a man can't wear a pair of shorts.

My problem isn't what you believe, but the fact that you can't prove most of it with scripture. Let's start some new threads and discuss only the scriptural merits of what you say many of us have left.

Truth be told some of us did leave oneness Pentecostalism, and in the process it is true that some turned from Christ. But many of us who left OPism did not turn away from Christ, nor the scripture, nor His people. Only from bad theology, legalism, and totalitarian leadership. Truth be told we left you, not Christ, and THAT is why you are offended and feel the need to condemn us to hell.

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I would like to congratulate you on having arrived at the level of Christianity that never needs to change.

I changed from being a non-Christian to being a Christian,
I changed from being totally ignorant of God's word to teaching it.

Since I have not arrived at the full knowledge of God, I expect to continue to change more with time as I learn more about the Bible.
Congratulations on having arrived.

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Jason, Brother Epley didnt go quite far enough in trying to explain the genisis of "all trinitrians are lost" tHreads.

There was a time when FCF was quite a busy place and both sides went at it pretty hard... and walked away smiling about it.... and sometimes when we walked away with a bit of a brused ego... but every side of every issue was defended in exactly the same way. ATRL was just a single thread among many that was involved. its the only one that seems to be left from those old days.


but you seem to thing that Elder Epley and those of us who believe the Water/Spirit doctrine "hate". that just isnt true and the history of where this forum came from matters.

The sad thing is Charnok knows this. He seems to have decided revisionist history is the better part.

bad form Charnok, bad form!

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Repent, Steve.

Quit rejoicing over people going to Hell.
Quit slandering Steve Pixler.

Repent.

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When people say they haven't changed over decades makes me doubt they are seeking truth.

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"Please answer... yes or no" almost triggered an AFF-based, PTSD like reaction.

:)

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Why seek truth when you are confident you have the truth?

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REALLY?!
:throwrock

He's not saying he's arrived.
He's saying he is settled on what he believes.

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MAYBE SE is trying to be like God (Malachi 3:6). Now that would be a novel concept, huh?

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When one has found the truth the search ends.

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Have you followed the Bible in your bringing up your grievances with this Elder?

There IS a BIBLICAL way to address grievances one might have with an Elder in the faith.

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Kinda like being in heaven, right?

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Did Epley follow the Bible in addressing his grievances with Pixler?

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Two wrongs never make one right. My Mom told me that when I was a kid.

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So you admit Epley was wrong?

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Well I still searching my Bible every day, I often spend three or more hours per day reading it, I have not ended my search for truth.

congratulations on having found all the truth so that you don't need more.

meanwhile I will continue to spend hours of my time searching for truth.

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Naw, you accuse someone of doing wrong (that's one wrong) and then do the same thing (that's two wrongs). Take your meds, it will help you with your bitterness.

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:thumbsup

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I still sturdy the Word 2 to 3 hours a day. thank you.

Buy the truth and sell it not. I have the truth and am not looking for anything else.

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The exact truth(all truth) on everything, or partial truth?

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Steve and I have tweaked each other over the years. He is right about this. Most people starting out on this forum had at least core Oneness beliefs. I don't think he should be pushed off the Forum.

I did not read but a few posts in the Pixler thread. Never even heard of him until then.
Now if I get this right all this is happening because Steve says he thinks the ultra cons should leave that Church?

What would you expect he would say?

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Exactly. That is pretty much what I posted on the other thread about SP. Why is anybody shocked that an ultra con would want people to leave a church that is moving away from the long laundry list of standards / dress codes that ultra cons believe is an essential part of salvation?

Just like with 3 stepper salvation doctrine where a belief in it is mutually exclusive with accepting 1 steppers as being brothers and saved.

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CC1, you would do the same thing.

Wouldn't you?

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WHY? I think, I read where SE wrote that there was a history in Ft Worth of two other Apostolic churches that are now completely non-existent, that did the same thing that SP is doing. So many times, in the past it has been observed that men don't stop with "the long laundry list of standards / dress codes" as you call it. They keep going until Oneness is really semantics and water baptism in Jesus name is really no longer a command, but an option to done if one "feels" the necessity. jmho

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Oh you mean Antinomianism.

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Me, not a mean bone in my body. :D

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Dear Elder Steve Epley,

We have posted together for many years. We have agreed and disagreed on some pretty big issues. But I have always respected you and have always had deep regard for you. I appreciate not just your stand, but the reasoning behind what you believe. Your path is not the same one I am on, but I respect men of faith and principle who are bold enough to stand up in a place where you will not get respect, nor be respected.

It seems I have been a appologist for you at different times when you were too much of a gentleman to defend yourself. That is an odd thing because as often as that has been the case, I have also not been in agreement with you on a number of issues.

I just wanted to add to the chorus of noise makers and raise my hand and say "thank you".

Thank you for being here. Thank you for articulating your views so well. Thank you for being willing to stand up to the heat of those who do not believe respect means anything. Thank you for the very many times, you have broken down some particular passage.

I am the better for having met you....even if that meeting has been "vertual"! God bless you and all you do for the Kingdom.


Ferd.

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I am humbled. I appreciate you also.

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:hug3 WOW!

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Dear Elder Epley

I would like to say that you and me agree on many doctrinal issues, but unfortunately we disagree on others.

Nevertheless I still appreciate you and would never wish ill upon you, only desiring blessings of the Lord upon you. If you ever need your shoelaces tied, or your shoes shined I would consider it an honor if I was allowed to do that task for you.

your most humble servant and brother.

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I praise Jesus for leaders that stand for truth. The Bible speaks over and over of "standing fast" "move not" ect ect.
The issue on this forum is that those that are moving and not standing fast for truth are irritated when they read folks that have stayed their ground.

I don't care if it's politics, church or life in general - liberalism is all about controlling others. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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Bro. Epley as free holiness trinitarian pentecostal on standards church attendance and probably a few other things we would be in agreement. However there are other issues we would disagree on. Even though there are things we disagree with I in know way resent any of your post (it is possible to disagree without being rude or resentful while reamianing respectful and true to one's convictions). I along with others find it refreshing to see someone stand unapologetically for what they believe in.

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I am not the same as I was yesterday, and I will not be the same tomorrow. For my prayer and my vision is to know God and to know Him as he really is, and as He changes me and I see Him more clearly, I pray that I have the courage to change and to embrace Him in His fullness!!!

"For we don't know what we shall be, but we KNOW that when we see Him we will be like Him."

Seems that none of us KNOW it all yet, but take courage we all shall!!

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Surely everyone know what I was implying I certainly haven't reached perfection not even close. And so much about HIM I do not know and am learning everyday hopefully. But I am speaking of the fundamental doctrine and lifestyle not going to change. I hope I am being changed into His image until I see Him as He is.