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Timmy 09-02-2014 04:51 PM
A complex question....
 
.... Do you have to believe that everything in the Bible is true, to be saved?

It's complex because in contains the implicit question: What is the Bible? And another one: What does it mean to be saved? Also: What do we mean by "true"? How literally do we have to take each scripture? E.g., does one need to be a Young-Earth Creationist?

OK, discuss. :winkgrin

Timmy 09-02-2014 04:52 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Oh, and what about all those commands and laws? Which ones apply to us (you) today? Is eating shell fish still an abomination?

Evang.Benincasa 09-02-2014 05:10 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Way too much carbs bro. Way too much.

FlamingZword 09-02-2014 07:08 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1333862)
.... Do you have to believe that everything in the Bible is true, to be saved?

It's complex because in contains the implicit question: What is the Bible? And another one: What does it mean to be saved? Also: What do we mean by "true"? How literally do we have to take each scripture? E.g., does one need to be a Young-Earth Creationist?

OK, discuss. :winkgrin
You just love to stir the pot? :stirpot don't you?

KeptByTheWord 09-02-2014 07:20 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1333865)
Way too much carbs bro. Way too much.
Well. That settles it.


:heeheehee

Evang.Benincasa 09-02-2014 07:25 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1333875)
Well. That settles it.


:heeheehee
Big time!

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...make-you-crazy

KeptByTheWord 09-02-2014 07:44 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
A complex question gets .... a simple answer...

LOL!

Evang.Benincasa 09-02-2014 07:50 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1333883)
A complex question gets .... a simple answer...

LOL!
:highfive

Timmy 09-03-2014 08:04 AM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1333872)
You just love to stir the pot? :stirpot don't you?
And it's been a while. ;)

Timmy 09-03-2014 08:04 AM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1333883)
A complex question gets .... a simple answer...

LOL!
:spit

Jermyn Davidson 09-03-2014 08:39 AM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1333862)
Do you have to believe that everything in the Bible is true, to be saved?
Is salvation established in a soul by their belief that everything in the Bible is true?

No because it is very possible for a person to be saved and not KNOW everything that is in the Bible.

Timmy 09-03-2014 08:45 AM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1333957)
Is salvation established in a soul by their belief that everything in the Bible is true?

No because it is very possible for a person to be saved and not KNOW everything that is in the Bible.
Good point. But let me rephrase the question:

Is it possible to be saved, even if you believe there are some untrue things in the Bible?

Jermyn Davidson 09-03-2014 12:43 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1333961)
Good point. But let me rephrase the question:

Is it possible to be saved, even if you believe there are some untrue things in the Bible?
Well, did Jesus actually tell the disciples to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost or in the Name of Jesus or in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, or in my Name, or in my name, or.... So many options!

Timmy 09-03-2014 01:31 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1333995)
Well, did Jesus actually tell the disciples to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost or in the Name of Jesus or in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, or in my Name, or in my name, or.... So many options!
And that's a whole 'nother topic. :lol

Aquila 09-03-2014 01:53 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
I don't believe one has to believe or understand everything in the Bible to be saved. Believe in Jesus. His life, sacrificial death, and resurrection. Show this by obeying Acts 2:38. Then love God with all that you are. Finally demonstrate that love by loving others as yourself, and you're light years ahead of all Christian religion.

crakjak 09-03-2014 03:18 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1333862)
.... Do you have to believe that everything in the Bible is true, to be saved?

It's complex because in contains the implicit question: What is the Bible? And another one: What does it mean to be saved? Also: What do we mean by "true"? How literally do we have to take each scripture? E.g., does one need to be a Young-Earth Creationist?

OK, discuss. :winkgrin
No!

Evang.Benincasa 09-03-2014 03:24 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1334019)
No!
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crakjak 09-03-2014 09:59 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1334023)
I believe you have to believe in a person, Jesus Christ.

FlamingZword 09-03-2014 10:48 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1333995)
Well, did Jesus actually tell the disciples to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost or in the Name of Jesus or in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, or in my Name, or in my name, or.... So many options!
Jesus never told his disciples to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, that is an interpolation, it was added by the early Catholic church.

elder_brother 09-04-2014 12:54 AM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1333862)
.... Do you have to believe that everything in the Bible is true, to be saved?

It's complex because in contains the implicit question: What is the Bible? And another one: What does it mean to be saved? Also: What do we mean by "true"? How literally do we have to take each scripture? E.g., does one need to be a Young-Earth Creationist?

OK, discuss. :winkgrin
No. Believing in the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy or Biblical infallibility is not a prerequisite for salvation. Salvation is accomplished by grace through faith.

Similar questions would be "Do all of my beliefs have to be correct in order to be saved?" and "How certain must I be in the validity of my beliefs in order to be saved?" Recently I read a book on this subject called Benefit of the Doubt: Breaking the Idol of Certainty by Greg Boyd. I thought it was certainly worth the read.

elder_brother 09-04-2014 01:03 AM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1334076)
Jesus never told his disciples to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, that is an interpolation, it was added by the early Catholic church.
Okay, I'm not sure if I've ever heard about that before...interesting though

Evang.Benincasa 09-04-2014 07:39 AM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1334069)
I believe you have to believe in a person, Jesus Christ.
Wait, I'm so sorry, I thought for all this time you believed that Jesus died for all therefore all were saved regardless whether they accepted Jesus Christ or not. OK, I stand corrected. So, you believe that one must acknowledge Jesus Christ, claim Jesus Christ, trust in Jesus Christ, know that sometime in history there was a guy named Jesus Christ, but repentance isn't needed?

Timmy 09-04-2014 12:28 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elder_brother (Post 1334079)
No. Believing in the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy or Biblical infallibility is not a prerequisite for salvation. Salvation is accomplished by grace through faith.

Similar questions would be "Do all of my beliefs have to be correct in order to be saved?" and "How certain must I be in the validity of my beliefs in order to be saved?" Recently I read a book on this subject called Benefit of the Doubt: Breaking the Idol of Certainty by Greg Boyd. I thought it was certainly worth the read.
Thanks for commenting.

I've read one of Boyd's books. Can't remember the title. Interesting book.

Amanah 09-04-2014 04:42 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
There were gentiles who were saved who had never read the OT and before the NT was even written, so, I think you can be saved without having it all figured out.

FlamingZword 09-04-2014 06:40 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by elder_brother (Post 1334080)
Okay, I'm not sure if I've ever heard about that before...interesting though
many people have said the same thing before.
I even wrote a book on it.
"The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored"

FlamingZword 09-04-2014 06:46 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1334204)
There were gentiles who were saved who had never read the OT and before the NT was even written, so, I think you can be saved without having it all figured out.
There were people who were saved without any scriptures at all.
Noah, Abraham and all the patriarchs, were saved without a single scripture.
Moses wrote Genesis, after leaving Egypt, 400 years later.

shazeep 09-05-2014 01:49 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1333961)
Good point. But let me rephrase the question:

Is it possible to be saved, even if you believe there are some untrue things in the Bible?
:lol

shazeep 09-05-2014 01:54 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1334204)
There were gentiles who were saved who had never read the OT and before the NT was even written, so, I think you can be saved without having it all figured out.
ya!

Sean 09-05-2014 02:13 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1334076)
Jesus never told his disciples to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, that is an interpolation, it was added by the early Catholic church.


Before your conclusion is set in stone, you may want to read this post...Matt. 28:19 was not "added" to the Greek manuscripts by the church fathers.....



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...fEGle385AUjy0w

crakjak 09-08-2014 04:10 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1334094)
Wait, I'm so sorry, I thought for all this time you believed that Jesus died for all therefore all were saved regardless whether they accepted Jesus Christ or not. OK, I stand corrected. So, you believe that one must acknowledge Jesus Christ, claim Jesus Christ, trust in Jesus Christ, know that sometime in history there was a guy named Jesus Christ, but repentance isn't needed?
All will believe, and be saved. That is why Jesus died. Especially those that believe. 1 Tim 4:10.

FlamingZword 09-08-2014 05:02 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1334403)
Before your conclusion is set in stone, you may want to read this post...Matt. 28:19 was not "added" to the Greek manuscripts by the church fathers.....


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...fEGle385AUjy0w
read it before and I don't see this person having too much evidence for his arguments.
actually his arguments are pretty weak.

Abiding Now 09-12-2014 03:08 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1334653)
All will believe, and be saved. That is why Jesus died. Especially those that believe. 1 Tim 4:10.
WOW! Hope at last for Judas, Attila the Hun, Hitler, Jeffery Dalmer and my mother-in-law.

houston 09-12-2014 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1335181)
WOW! Hope at last for Judas, Attila the Hun, Hitler, Jeffery Dalmer and my mother-in-law.
DAHMER got saved before he was murdered in prison.

FlamingZword 09-12-2014 09:16 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1335183)
DAHMER got saved before he was murdered in prison.
Well Dahmer wanted to be baptized in the name of Jesus, but the preacher was a Trinitarian, so he baptized him in the trinity.

Evang.Benincasa 09-12-2014 09:19 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1335214)
Well Dahmer wanted to be baptized in the name of Jesus, but the preacher was a Trinitarian, so he baptized him in the trinity.
You are on a roll! :highfive

Timmy 09-12-2014 09:34 PM
Re: A complex question....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1335214)
Well Dahmer wanted to be baptized in the name of Jesus, but the preacher was a Trinitarian, so he baptized him in the trinity.
(In Maxwell Smart's voice) Missed heaven by thiiis much.


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