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Don't know how anyone can read that chapter and think it applies to us today.

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Some make a living off of it.

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Yeah, like tithe. :)

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Are you a preterist?

I'm an impartial preterist

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LOL

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I have preterist beliefs.

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Thanks

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I just happen to believe Matt 24 happened when he said it would.

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Would you be interested in seeing my breakdown of it?

I will not debate the subject, but just share what I believe.

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Fire away

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Okay, here goes...BTW..I am a pre/mid tribber.*......This was in last years debate with preterists.....


Matthew 24

24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?...3 QUESTIONS HERE



4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
This is the worldwide, end of age part.





9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. This is the dispersion of Jews part. ad70



11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. This is a warning to end time Israel, before the Tribulation.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. This is during the tribulation and its ending.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. This is a warning to be watching, particularly Israel and the saints of God in the last days of the Last days events to precede the rapture and tribulation.





NOW HERE IS HIS DISCOURSE OF THE RAPTURE...
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



That is how ALL 3 questions are answered by the Lord. You guys blended it all together into the part of the Jews being dispersed only....This is what I call logical eschatology.(Notice, that I use very little commentary?). I showed you something easily understood, the way the gospel should be understood....simply



Note, I did not copy and paste this from elsewhere, I just have realized it and taught it that way.

I will not debate preterists anymore though. Im just sharing ideas here. Thanks

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I did one on Luke also. Let me know if you are interested.

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I believe you means you. Time statements and all the "you/ye" shows me he was warning them what they would see and experience. You never means them.

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So, the Rapture/Catching Away of the Church has already taken place?

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
(Matthew 24:29-31)

Sorry Charlie. This Matthew 24 fulfilled doctrine holds no water unless the Rapture has also happened. Unless you can prove that we are no longer here, you have no scriptural leg to stand upon.

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True if Jesus came already who are we?

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These men also taught the resurrection was already passed.

16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 2 Tim. 2:16-18

Their followers are still with us today.

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So all the you's written to Romans were only for them and not for us? How about the Ephesians? Were all the you's addressed to THEM ONLY FOR THEM?

How about the Corinthians? Is your name mentioned anywhere there? So then none of it applies to you! How about the Galatians? Since your name isn't in it it I guess it does not apply to you.

See what this does to faith? It destroys it.

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Great scripture MTD. I like to reference this one often. :thumbsup

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Matt 24 does not mention anything about the rapture or resurrection. In fact the entire book of Matthew does not mention it. It's in 1 Thess 4, 1 Cor 15 and John 5, primarily. The resurrection of the physical body is still to come. What people take for resurrection in Matt 24 is the exact same wording found at the end of Matt 23 concerning "gather together." It's nothing to do with resurrection in Matt 23, so why say it is in Matt 24?

Matthew 23:37 KJV O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Matthew 24:31 KJV And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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HERE IS MY LUKE 21 OUTLINE I PROMISED....Notice, no long explanations...Just easily understood passages laid out for the simple folks to read. The kind Jesus wants to save. Even a CAVEMAN could understand it...LOL


6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

They asked Jesus ONLY about the destruction of the temple here, but Jesus gives them more info than they actually asked for, just like Matt. 24...



8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven......
Now this above is the series of General signs before His 2nd coming.



Notice now..."but (before) all these", addressing their original question...
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. At this point, Jesus is finished with the destruction of Jerusalem explanation and proceeds to speak of His 2nd coming signs...


25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. These above are the signs that Jesus wanted to point out of His 2nd coming in these end times.

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Here, Jesus gives us a warning to watch for these signs, before His return...FOR THE WHOLE EARTH....LOOK BELOW

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the (whole earth).

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

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28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh

Proves it happens in their lifetime.

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In the kingdom.

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If the resurrection happened in 70ad then this guys were wrong. How could people be trick in the church if rapture/ resurrection was some big climatic physical event?

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What is definition of the word you?

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Oh so now we are immortal? We are now ruling the nations! The demons are in the lake of fire! There is no more sickness or pain! The Sun is no more giving light!

So this is fulfilled prophecy? I will continue in patient waiting for the coming of Yeshua to gather together his elect.

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Well yeah. Dont you preterists believe Christ came in 70 ad? Isnt that what your doctrine is all about?

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Bump

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Because in those days news traveled slow. No radio, television, internt or even pony express. If someone made up a lie and told it in town there might not be any way to test it immediately.

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Matthew 24:34 GNB Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.

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Yep

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No on ever remarks about that version's interpretation

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Just Google it, its a joke, like the 50 or so "other" versions that were invented to fit the authors' theology. You are really desperate Mike to use that junk. Look the the KJV and notice it says something quite different.

Two opposing passages, hmmm. The Received Text version(KJV) is the reliable text ONLY, especially in these cases.



Matt 24:34....Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.....KJV


Matt 24 :34.... 34 Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died....GNB



HMMMMMMMMMM....!!!!!!, That will definitely satisfy copyright laws....LOL

I believed it meant that before I even knew another version flatly stated it. "This" meant the one to whom he spoke. He did not say "that." It's simple English.

Preachers who aren't even preterist can see that.

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That Bible is a complete mess, that is riddled with biased opinionated concepts. Mike do you know how this and the other non recieved text Bibles came about? They are all under copyright laws and each one must say something different from each other to the tune of 50,000 words, That means that the 50 or so bibles out there have a differing point of view 50 different ways.

You or I could make a Bible with that kind of understanding. All we have to do is get the 50 Bibles and make sure our Bible is different by at least 15% of the 50 others'. It will sell to the folks that believe like we interpret it to say,
Remember, ALL of these Bibles, other than the KJV have modern day AUTHORS that are behind them all. None of these authors will create their version contrary to their beliefs.

The KJV is completely different, in that it was ordered to be copied from thousands of agreeing manuscripts, using 54 translators. They had to agree, line by line to get the final passages resolved.

This may educate you on the subject some.... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...77161500,d.cGU





BTW...The KJV, derived from the Textus Receptus, has NEVER been under any kind of copyright law. It is the Word of God. It is the Bible that the Lord has preserved for our generation. All the others are nothing less than counterfeits, derived from a discarded manuscript found in Egypt(Alexandrian text).


Anybody interested should watch this...it will "fix" your beliefs about the right Bible to read....https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=KbikBVVkrNA

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Like I said, I concluded the same thing from KJV study of the passage. That version had no bearing on my conclusions. I found it agreed later!

Obviously that made no difference in my analysis of the KJV version of that passage. I have done much study on the received text and manuscript evidence, btw. I know how the TR is superior.

Ever Read Edward HIlls' THE KJV DEFENDED?

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I know what you believe Mike, I was surprised that you "tossed" that guys' "commentary" bible out there. I kinda thought you were a KJV guy like me.
I was worried that Pastor Febus was getting the best of you for a minute...LOL

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Matthew 24:33 KJV

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


What does the word you mean in this text?

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"YOU" is the saints that would ACTUALLY SEE these events described prior to the passage. These events that HAVE NOT HAPPENED yet.

To clarify, if WE(you and I), see the signs here.....

1 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.




Then, when we BEGIN to see these things happen...LOOK UP!...

Luke 21:28

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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He said "when ye (you) see these things" clear he was speaking of them he spoke to.