Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 

It is written...

Revelation 13:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

The nature of the false prophet. He presents himself as a lamb, a man of peace... but he speaks like a dragon. His words are a destructive web of lies.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).



Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.



Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."



Muslim (32:6303) - "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."



Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.



From Islamic Law:



Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...



"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.

(Source: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/)

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Sound like the catholic doctrine of the merciful lie.
that one can lie as long as something good comes from that lie.
that is why you can not trust anything that Catholics say, for they are permitted to lie.

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You say it is a religion of lies.

Point them out.

After you are done, we will start discussing "lies of the UPC". This should be fun.

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Lets not forget the "Al-Khansa brigade" and how "peaceful" this evil is.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/10...tcmp=obnetwork

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How can you tell, in general, if a religion is lying?

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If a person is towards God, they can practice any religion as peaceful and true. If a person is turned away from God the same is true.

Acts 10:34,35

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

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Certainly, as long as they accept that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and they become born again of water and the Spirit just like Cornelius and his household did in this same passage! ;)

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LOL Aquila IS NOT UPC. :laffatu BTW tit for tat will not get you out of the fact that Islam is a religion of lies.

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:thumbsup :thumbsup

Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness — This being the well-known phraseology of the Old Testament in describing the truly godly man, within the pale of revealed religion, it cannot be alleged that Peter meant it to denote a merely virtuous character, in the heathen sense; and as Peter had learned enough, from the messengers of Cornelius and from his own lips, to convince him that the whole religious character of this Roman officer had been molded in the Jewish faith, there can be no doubt that the apostle intended to describe exactly such saintship - in its internal spirituality and external fruitfulness - as God had already pronounced to be genuine and approved. And since to such “He giveth more grace,” according to the law of His Kingdom (Jam_4:6; Mat_25:29), He sends Peter, not to be the instrument of his conversion, as this is very frequently called, but simply to “show him the way of God more perfectly,” as before to the devout Ethiopian eunuch. - JFB

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Aquila is not UPC that I am aware of, so you'd be beating at the wind

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8EOL1-4S6c

Pastor of FBC Dallas ain't skeeredof jihad.

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Islam encourages beating one's wife if she gets out of line, and slaying those who refuse to accept Islam. It is in the Koran. I will get the quotes.

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Are those bad things?

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Yahweh encourages stoning one's son if he gets disobedient, and at times slaying other nations who don't accept the Yahweh thing. It is the bible. I will get the quotes.

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Are they good things?

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you might as well become Muslim

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Not in my opinion. What about you?

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Can you give a reference where the stoning of a child took place or the year?
Could you provide the documentation where nations were slayed simply because they rejected the "Yaweh thing"? Also, please provide the last time these things happened.

I would prefer to have a relevant conversation that is at least within this millenium and preferably this century.

Thank you.

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then why ask?

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:blink

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The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife.

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I don't care much for Bill Mahor but he actually has a pretty good arguments on Islam

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I'm talking about the sanctioning of outright lying. Yes, God did give ancient Israel stringent laws that included the death penalty. However, the God of the Bible has established various covenants. In Islam, God is very much still back on the bronze age with His approach to man.

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Deplorable.

However, even in Christian countries a father used to be able to discipline both his wife and his children should they be absolutely disobedient.

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:thumbsup

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I've heard some of his thoughts. While I don't agree with him on most things, I do find myself agreeing with many of his thoughts regarding Islam.

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That's disgusting.

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In context, Deut 21:20 shows that the “boy” was a “grown man” who was stubborn, rebellious, will not obey his parents, who is a glutton and a drunkard.

The Law required that “both” parents be in agreement, bringing the child to the elders of the city. The elders judge the matter according to the Law of Moses, i.e., Exodus 20:12; Exo. 21:15, Exo. 21:17; Lev. 20:9.

This isn’t much different than a policeman apprehending a suspect, bringing him to the courts for judgment and sentencing. Apparently, this “grown man” was a nuisance to society.

Today, we have the media and families calling a “thug” a gentle giant and vocally crying out against the policeman who put him down because he was a nuisance and danger to society, i.e. Ferguson, MO.

And who were these heathen nations that Israel fought against in order to survive as a nation?

They were nations who were killing children in human/child sacrifice, who were forcing young men and women into perverted sexual rituals to worship false gods who were” made of silver and gold, made by human hands, mouths that cannot speak, eyes that cannot see, ears that cannot hear, no breath in their mouths. And those that make them will be like them, and so will all who trust in them.” Psalm 135:15-18

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Right on, sister!

That ruse Marcbee used is like the punchline saying the Bible condones slavery. In actuality, the Bible was speaking of the nations of Canaan that Israel invaded who were sacrificing their children to idols in the fire, and that sort of ilk, and the survivors of the massacre that was well deserving to those human sacrificing animals was imprisonment amongst Israel in the form of slavery. It was not slavery like the filth-spewing world is trying to imply when they quote these biblical passages. It was more imprisonament in a day when they had no such prisons as we do.

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Exactly! We must study further when reading a passage. God has a purpose and doesn't contradict His own Word.


Ezekiel 18:23 "Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"

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Critics are afraid to listen to responses and to read the entire overall issue in the overall bible.

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:thumbsup

I believe some critics are afraid, but there are also those who are so vehemently in opposition that they will leave off good common sense, skipping the obvious context in order to try and win an argument to support their claims.

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But progressive, moderate Muslims would explain some of their own scriptures in the same way and say they were not meant to be taken literally. The point is both Christianity and Islam can be practiced in an extreme fashion with killing and the whole deal or more moderately, with love and peace. The person who is doing the practicing will determine if they are going to use those verses to literally beat their wives or if they meant something in some specific context not meant for today or whatever. I suspect if we had a moderate Muslim amongst us, they would suggest that is not to be taken literally just as many biblical verses are not taken literally.

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It's always possible the make the Bible sound all nicey-nice. Except for Numbers 31. Not much you can do, there. ;)

(Kidding, of course. Even Numbers 31 can be "interpreted" beyond recognition. Might even make it into Sunday School lessons.)

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Oh! It's nicey-nice Timmy again!

The Midianites took Israel's daughters and enticed them to commit uncleanness with them, and then drew them into the worship of their idols, which brought the wrath of God upon them. Hello?

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No such thing as a moderate Muslim IMO.

Islam is NOT Christianity hence the fallacy of your logic and the FACT that thousands upon thousands of Muslims are murdering people, enslaving women and crucifying children TODAY.

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Yes, notice the diverting intention of the critics to change the reality of the point we make.

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Told ya. :heeheehee

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Anyone? Mike, I know you can answer this! :lol

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Yes, typical straw man arguments. Muslim's usually talk about other people's bad behavior to justify their own.