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Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. Matt. 5:48

One of satans wiles is to bewitch the children of light to think they need not be free from sin to enter Heavens gates. Altho overcoming sin is not all there is to the Christian life it certainly is very important.

Most Pentecostal groups now espouse Evangelical teachings, one will never in this life overcome sin. This is very deadly thinking.

Christ Jesus will not marry a bride with sin in her life.

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Ephesians 5:25-27

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It's funny how I completely agree with your words, yet I know the end of this is erroneously the doctrine of OS; keeping the focus on Sin.

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What is OS? Glad you agree!

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The teaching we hear nowadays makes it sound like sin is stronger than God!

Here are wise words from the apostle John:

4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 1 John 4:4

The Creator of the Universe is in a Spirit filled Christian. That's sufficient to overcome the temptations of life.

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Are you without fault completely perfect?

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Sorry-the doctrine of original sin. As opposed to the fact of it.

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If I were not would that change the teaching of Christ? Would it excuse someone else if I were not? No.

If I have sin in my life when Jesus comes I will not enter Heavens gates but will be cast into Gehenna.

Only those who are entirely sanctified will be ready to meet Christ.

23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 1 Thess 5:23-24

Christ obviously expects this. He believes this is possible. He sees it as the norm for his servants.

7But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? 8And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? 9Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. Luke 17:7-10

When we do all we are commanded to do we are nothing special. We are not "super spiritual" as the false teachers try to imply.

No. We are merely doing that which is our duty to do. It is expected of all and not just a few.

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Is that a yes?

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:lol

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This is expected of all. It is the very purpose of the Apostolic ministry.

27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily. Col. 1:27-29

Paul clearly states his purpose. To present every man perfect in Christ.

Every minister who has not the same purpose is a false minister. Either one of two things is at work.

a. He is a tare sent by satan to confuse the saints and lower the standard.

b. He may be a well meaning believer in Christ who has been taught the traditions of men and accepts them. Yet he is a novice in the doctrine of Christ and jumped into the ministry for some purpose apart from the will of God.

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Can you answer with a yes or no? Are you faultless perfect without sin?

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I dont presently have sin in my life. I am a normal Christian. Do you have sin in yours?

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Sin as in imperfections, yes. I am glad you are perfect without sin, not being funny.

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hmm...that you know of. Surely you agree?

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Bro it is supposed to be the norm.

12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Phil. 2:12-13

I am not trying to be funny either. If we know we have sin in our life we should be very afraid.

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You really should get out more, you have evidently been listening to something/someone that I don't listen to. I've never heard an Apostolic preacher preach making "it sound like sin is stronger than God". As a matter of fact just last week the preacher use John 1:4 in his preaching.

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Hmm. I would follow that with, "if we believe that we are sinless, we should be even more afraid!"

"If you, being evil..." Was, after all, directed at the Apostles.

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ok, and he's the one who needs to get out more? :lol I hear it all the time.

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Well if he preaches to live overcoming sin thats good.:highfive The people I talk with usually preach we can never really be free from it.

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I never heard anyone preach to continue in sin.

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I have heard Baptist preachers preach, "you can not live without sinning every day".

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They should not say that. If you believe you are a sinner you will sin by faith.

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Thereby keeping the focus on sin-right where satan wants it. No diff than most Apo/Pent sermons, wadr.

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Mostly what I hear is "you can not live an un-repented life, you can not sin and please God, we must die daily, sin is of the devil and if/when you fail, repent and get it under the Blood".

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We can't die daily. We are to believe we are dead to sin, its a fact accomplished in Christ.

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I agree about being dead to sin, but apostle Paul said.

1Co 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

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You can't be dead and dying. Context shows is he was referring to facing death daily, much like a soldier would in combat.

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No such thing as dying to sin, it's accepting we are ,through Christ work, dead to sin.

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1 Corinthians 15:30-32 KJV

And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.


Look how amp puts it:



1 Corinthians 15:29-32 AMP

Otherwise, what do people mean by being [themselves] baptized in behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? [For that matter], why do I live [dangerously as I do, running such risks that I am] in peril every hour? [I assure you] by the pride which I have in you in [your fellowship and union with] Christ Jesus our Lord, that I die daily [I face death every day and die to self]. What do I gain if, merely from the human point of view, I fought with [wild] beasts at Ephesus? If the dead are not raised [at all], let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we will be dead. [Isa. 22:13.]

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Look up a video on youtube called "you are perfect" by Irvin Baxter.

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Most Pentecostals by far agree. At least those I talk to. Especially people on the Forum.

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I don't and again, I've never heard that preached by an Apostolic preacher.

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Well yes it is a fact established in Christ. And yet it still has to be walked out by faith day by day.

23And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. Luke 9:23-24

It is on a daily basis because thats how life is lived. One day at a time.

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:thumbsup

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Yes day by day we walk by faith but we don't die daily. We are renewed daily in the faith and the word that we are dead.

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Lets try it this way. To die daily could be like this. You were planning a nice peaceful hike in the hill country for Saturday. Saturday morning a brother in Christ calls and says his car wont start and he cant miss another day of work or he will be fired.

Well your desire was to do the hiking but you love the Brother so you die to your plan........and go pick the Bro up, take him to work and tell him you will pick him up 8 hours later.

You died to self THAT DAY.

Tomorrow it may be something else. Life is lived one day at a time. You cant die out to self all at once because all trials dont come at once. They come daily for most of us. Therefore we cant die to self ahead of our trials and temptations.

HOWEVER when they do come we BY FAITH draw from the established fact that in Christ we are DEAD TO SELF. Our faith is in the established fact but faith makes it actually come true in our life.

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Im only aware of perhaps 2-3 people on this forum that seem to have believed the Christian can consistently overcome sin.

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OK so now we all agree that our works must be perfect if we expect to enter Heavens gates??

Rev. 3:1-2


1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

So this is THE STANDARD by which Christians are judged.

Christ continues addressing the fact their works were not perfect and the consequences thereof.


3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

So two things up front. Verse 3 they will miss his coming. Verse 5 he will blot their names out of the book of life.

Very serious stuff.

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Agree to disagree I guess.

Colossians 3:3 KJV

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

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Ho could a churches work not be perfect?