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The myth is that the plane that hit the tower could not have caused it to collapse.

Conspiracy folks argue the metal in the tower could not have melted enough to lose integrity.

I personally remember this being on the news. A tanker truck carrying fuel over turned and caught on fire. The fire burned hot long enough that the over pass collapsed

Here are several videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXb5M8qKrjw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tjs5ILNkJc

You can go to youtube and find other videos

Then some guys tested an i beam with fuel to see if it would lose integrity

This next video, at the 20 min mark gives the experiment with the I beam

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I also know that when someone wants to demolish a skyscraper they bring in experts that study and examine the building beforehand. The reason is they want it to collapse on itself. If not the building would tilt and spread wreckage everywhere and damage other buildings. The experts are very specific about where they place explosives, what type of explosive and how the explosion is aimed. Then they are very specific about the timing of the explosions. Everything must be perfect or the building will not collapse on itself.
The twin towers did indeed collapse on itself, miraculously. This reason alone makes me believe the government is hiding something.

Anyone remember the TWA flight that was shot down on take off? Ooopppsss I mean exploded in mid air from a lightning strike or some other event but not from a missile. Even though eye witness testimony said there were vapor trails leading up to the plane. Yeah, I think the government is hiding the truth there as well.

Lets not forget the Lusitania. The US government was shipping supplies to Europe using human shields. Germany told this country they would sink the ship because it was carrying military equipment. The US government didn't care. The was a civilian liner that was being used for military purposes. When it was sunk the US forgot to tell the nation that it was sunk because of the military hardware they placed on it. Instead they told the world the evil Germans sunk a civilian ship. This was the impetus for the US to join Europe in WWI.

Let's not forget the placebo's that were given black men so they could chart the effects of syphilis.

Back to the present, why is it we don't hear about the NSA anymore?
What about the reporter that was investigating Bengahzi that was hacked by the government?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...-video-hacking

Should we talk about Fast and Furious? Where it appears Democrats wanted criminals to get guns and perpetrate crime so they could then whine about gun violence.


I don't trust the government and believe they are hiding the truth.

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I do not believe my government would lie to me.

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:heeheehee

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Anyone who believes the Official Conspiracy Theory put out by the goobermint and the medianites is not really capable of rationality, imo.

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The evidence shows that the "conspiracy" idea that a building could not collapse from burning fuel is false.

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LOL Abiding, are you serious????? I hope you were joking. Politicians lie all the time.

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:toofunny

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I don't know...airplanes had crashed into skyscrapers before, without those results. One might even expect some local damage-a partial collapse-but to believe that the whole tower could be brought down?

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A Commerical Jet is not an air plane. We aren't talking about a prop driven commuter plane.

Tell me when and where any other time a commercial jet slammed into a tower?

As for the whole tower. It's a matter of mechanics...physics. The plane hit 3/4s of the way up. So 1/4 of the entire building was sitting on top of the impact area.

Those I beams begin to buckle from the heat and the weight and ALL that load above the impact site comes down onto the next level..nothing can hold that much of a load and gravity.

I don't see how that can be a mystery to anyone.

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It’s always entertaining to ponder these conspiracy theories, but in the case of TWA 800, I have to go with the facts of the investigation. You see, I’m a trained aircraft accident investigator and I’ve seen more crumpled aluminum and splattered blood than I want to remember. The NTSB tells us that frayed wires in the center fuel tank coupled with hot vaporized jet fuel caused the in-flight explosion of that Boeing 747. Sure, it would make for a more tantalizing story to claim Navy Seals used shoulder launched missiles to bring down that plane just to keep some high level dignitary or spy from reaching Paris, but this isn’t a movie plot. This is real life! Even though fuel tank explosions are uncommon and not something you should worry about on your next airline flight to Disney World, this was not the only aircraft to ever have this problem. As a matter of fact, there have been at least 26 fuel tank explosions on both civilian and military aircraft. For example, a fuel tank explosion once destroyed a Thai Airways 737. Luckily that aircraft was still parked at the gate in Bangkok and not in the air or more than one flight attendant would have lost their life. If you read the full NTSB report on TWA 800 and weigh both sides, I think you’ll agree with me, this wasn’t some government cover up and frankly, to say otherwise is a little insulting to the many NTSB, FAA, and TWA employees who devoted so much time and effort to solving the TWA 800 mystery. Did you happen to know that there had been intermittent problems affecting the plane’s cockpit voice recorder and number four engine fuel-flow indicators just minutes before the explosion? These anomalies might seem unrelated, but it just so happens that the wire bundle to both of these components passes just above the center fuel tank. Did you also know that investigators found the wires crimped and cracked, and suspect they’d been damaged during repairs that had taken place in this area just two weeks prior? Now for all you government conspiracy types let me ask you, have you ever been inside or even looked inside an aircraft fuel tank? Do you know the flash point of Jet-A? Do you also know how unreliable an eye witness’s testimony can be after the fact of an accident? The human mind tends to remember more of what you thought you saw and heard than what you actually saw or heard. Believe me; I've heard some pretty impossible testimony. How can an unpowered glider make “a load roar like he was trying to take off again just before it hit the ground." It's pretty easy for people to say the government lied to us, but scientific evidence and facts don’t lie. As we say in this business, “we’re not here to speculate, we’re here to investigate.” It’s the speculators who can’t come up with anything better than a silly conspiracy.

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:couch

:heeheehee

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The NTSB didn't investigate Flight 800. The FBI did. Hmm... Why is that?

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Of course the government would NEVER lie to anyone. Whoever thinks so is just a silly conspiracy theorist. Oh yeah, Nixon was not a crook and Watergate was just made up. Of course the government has only become more "transparent" and would never spy on anyone either. Heaven forbid this government would ever cover anything up. Of course the government would never lie about purposely selling guns to criminals...

Its been said that figures don't lie but liars figure...

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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Martin Luther King, Jr. :icecream

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Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

Mark Twain :highfive

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What makes you say that? Maybe they both investigated?

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FBI cover up. :nod

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The people that believe anything but the burning jet fuel caused this have no clue about physics or temps. and they also believe the monster energy drink and the pepsi can, conspiracy along with 666 being concealed in bar codes ! ps the ntsb investigates every crash and did this one also, as did the fbi foor criminal purposes it was a 4 year investigation by ntsb smh !

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:lol ok

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ROFL....Hey, there probably are some evil conspiracies out there. People conspire all the time but guess what? The nature of a conspiracy is nobody is supposed to know

So that's why we have so many competing conspiracies...because nobody knows anything. They all assume there is a conspiracy and their imaginations do the rest

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It is the multiplicity of evidence that causes me to doubt the official version, 2 towers coming down demo-style, in free fall, and a third falling from even less damage chief among them.

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Oh! I remember that one!

Pastor Rick Strawcutter in Michigan used to promote all types of conspiracy videos years back (unsure if he still does). I believe he had a marketing plan for selling them. For some, almost everything is a conspiracy.

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Not about some things anyway.

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Hmm. Care to name one? :D

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It wasn't demo style. The Demo's I have seen of large buildings begin at the bottom, not 3/4s of the way up where a jet happened to hit

It would have to have been magic to install ALL those explosives in the building and nobody see the Demo crew, or see the explosives sticking out and the wires running out of the building to a very VERY remote location.

That makes no sense at all

Watch video. You see huge HOLES in the sides of the buildings. You see smoke. It burns for a long time. You see where the hole was the top comes crushing down and then the rest goes down.

If there were explosives there they would have ignited nearly when the plane first hit and fire balled.

That third building...watch the video of the first two towers. They they come down debris is flying, heavy chunks

Building 7 was a burning fire for a long time because the Fire marshal would not let them in to fight it believing it to be unsafe from damage. The fire eventually brought it down from the heat and structural damage

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In free fall. With no pile of rubble at the bottom ( which should have been about ten stories high), no investigation of the rubble allowed, and molten steel reported in the basement a month later? Hmm. And members of Congress and the Prez proudly pronouncing the curse of Ezekiel, complete with the planting of a cedar where there was a sycamore? Too much for me to swallow.

And how about that official footage that shows the plane's left wing going behind a building in the distance? Priceless...

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And. And and and, and! C'mon Prax; really?

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UK Man Wins Court Case for 911 Coverup
 

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I'll tell you want, rather than flood us with a lot of links to information I already refuted, how about picking one point and argue it and I will address it

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um, hmm, not sure this even requires address; it speaks for itself. Here's the video extract from the article; BBC prematurely reports building 7 collapse. Twice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

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Like I said, Im not gonna keep reading these crazy websites or watch the videos that just regurgitate the same stuff I refuted or that contradict each other.
Bring one solid argument you want to prove and support it and I will address it.

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People on facebook do this all the time. Rather than come up with a solid argument and supporting evidence, the just post videos and memes...

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Here we go. Im gonna refute every conspiracy with a meme

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/file...lh533afb68.jpg

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:lol funny thing on that last one--he used to be proGMO, and has now come out against? I hear...