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Jermyn Davidson 11-17-2014 08:59 AM

Prayed For Putin's Death
 
It was a prayer muttered out of frustration with his blatantly hypocritical and evil ways concerning Ukraine.

I realized I was wrong immediately after the prayer.

Have you ever prayed for the death of another country's leader?

To be honest, I shocked myself with my actions this morning. I didn't think I had it in me to do something so clearly wrong, in the Name of Jesus.

Originalist 11-17-2014 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1344053)
It was a prayer muttered out of frustration with his blatantly hypocritical and evil ways concerning Ukraine.

I realized I was wrong immediately after the prayer.

Have you ever prayed for the death of another country's leader?

To be honest, I shocked myself with my actions this morning. I didn't think I had it in me to do something so clearly wrong, in the Name of Jesus.

What causes you to be so stirred about the Ukraine? Just curious.

Sadly, Putin might actually be the only thing standing in the way of a Muslim conquest of the European continent.

I'm actually more angry at the USA for the way we forced Serbia to surrender Kosovo to the Muslims. I hope Russia rights that wrong someday.

n david 11-17-2014 09:42 AM

I've read Psalms 109:8 many times, but as hoping for resignation or impeachment.

Jermyn Davidson 11-17-2014 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1344057)
What causes you to be so stirred about the Ukraine? Just curious.

Sadly, Putin might actually be the only thing standing in the way of a Muslim conquest of the European continent.

I'm actually more angry at the USA for the way we forced Serbia to surrender Kosovo to the Muslims. I hope Russia rights that wrong someday.

They are people.

What has been done is so blatantly wrong.

What causes others to not care about Ukraine-- that is what baffles me.

Seriously, what stops a leader from doing what Putin did and is doing with Ukraine-- I guess nothing nowadays.

Good people are saying and doing nothing and evil is prospering.

n david 11-17-2014 10:12 AM

What about Sudan? Or the people of North Korea?

Jermyn Davidson 11-17-2014 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1344071)
What about Sudan? Or the people of North Korea?

Different situations and there aren't lies being spun to the world by the aggressors about the nature of what is happening.

Jermyn Davidson 11-17-2014 10:20 AM

Re: Prayed For Putin's Death
 
The stories of other nations doesn't grab at my sense of morals like Ukraine grabs at my sense of moral obligation to do something.

I also sense fear as being a major reason for the American government's weak response to Russia's naked and ugly aggression.

shazeep 11-17-2014 10:34 AM

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:lol ok...a visual of US bases in the area might be instructive here...I have it somewhere...

Jermyn Davidson 11-17-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1344082)
:lol ok...a visual of US bases in the area might be instructive here...I have it somewhere...

I don't understand what you find funny.

Please enlighten me.

Originalist 11-17-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1344077)
The stories of other nations doesn't grab at my sense of morals like Ukraine grabs at my sense of moral obligation to do something.

I also sense fear as being a major reason for the American government's weak response to Russia's naked and ugly aggression.

Though it incidentally ended a great evil, what Abraham Lincoln and the Republicans did from 1861-1877 was the greatest crime of the 19th century. So I have a hard time getting all excited about Europe. As far as I'm concerned Western Europeans have judged themselves unworthy of freedom.
As far a Ukraine goes, they should have never given up their nukes.

Jermyn Davidson 11-17-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1344088)
Though it incidentally ended a great evil, what Abraham Lincoln and the Republicans did from 1861-1877 was the greatest crime of the 19th century.

Not gonna go down that road with you, brother. A divided America would never have survived this long.

Originalist 11-17-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1344089)
Not gonna go down that road with you, brother. A divided America would never have survived this long.

That is irrelevant to the argument as to whether or not Lincoln acted morally or legally. It is supposition to say that two large Americas would not have lasted. They probably would have shook hands and formed a continental security alliance. But again, supposition. As for Ukraine, we are so weak now militarily, morally and economically it would be suicide to try to go to war with Russia.

n david 11-17-2014 12:21 PM

Ukraine can take care of itself, IMO.

Besides, it doesn't matter what we do, the Baltic States will be rejoining Russia soon anyway. The USSR is about to have a rebirth or resurrection.

Jermyn Davidson 11-17-2014 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1344109)
Ukraine can take care of itself, IMO.

Besides, it doesn't matter what we do, the Baltic States will be rejoining Russia soon anyway. The USSR is about to have a rebirth or resurrection.

It does matter what we do and those nations shouldn't be forced to give up their sovereignty.

There was a time when America wouldn't stand for something like this to happen.

aegsm76 11-17-2014 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1344101)
That is irrelevant to the argument as to whether or not Lincoln acted morally or legally. It is supposition to say that two large Americas would not have lasted. They probably would have shook hands and formed a continental security alliance. But again, supposition. As for Ukraine, we are so weak now militarily, morally and economically it would be suicide to try to go to war with Russia.

You realize that if Lincoln had not been killed things there would probably not have been the issues with Reconstruction.
His death put the finishing touches to the North's desire for vengence.

shazeep 11-17-2014 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1344086)
I don't understand what you find funny.

Please enlighten me.

Ok, trying, but I need the visual of all the US bases in the area; and from there we can proceed (to a discussion of the US' most likely response to Putin putting a base in the Bahamas or something...)

The point being that your pov might even be the popular one, here, but is at least sort of one-dimensional. Searching...

Originalist 11-17-2014 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1344121)
You realize that if Lincoln had not been killed things there would probably not have been the issues with Reconstruction.
His death put the finishing touches to the North's desire for vengence.

Actually I think Lincoln would have been impeached had he tried to implement his plan, had he lived. Plus the Reconstruction Act was not passed by congress until a full year after the war ended. The north was shocked to see former slaves still working for their former owners and the Southern economy rebounding. So they essentially said, "We've changed our minds. Lincoln was wrong. You are NOT members of the Union. You are conquered provinces. You are right, you are not in the Union". They then set out on 12 years of plunder and did everything in their power to drive a wedge between blacks and whites in the South. When the northern populace grew weary of this and the southern whites were re-enfranchised, the latter set out to disenfranchise the freed slaves because they viewed them as allies of their northern tormenters.

Originalist 11-17-2014 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1344113)
It does matter what we do and those nations shouldn't be forced to give up their sovereignty.

There was a time when America wouldn't stand for something like this to happen.


When the sovereignty of my beloved Florida is once again acknowledged, I'll maybe start worrying about Ukraine's. The States created the Union as an agent to preserve their individual sovereignty, not to eliminate or absorb it.

shazeep 11-17-2014 02:45 PM

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Truly, you could not have impeached Lincoln by then with an electric impeachment machine, if you had had one; his Greenbacks had taken hold, and the economy was in a renaissance. I guess depending upon who one listens to, he was quite popular?

Michael The Disciple 11-17-2014 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1344057)
What causes you to be so stirred about the Ukraine? Just curious.

Sadly, Putin might actually be the only thing standing in the way of a Muslim conquest of the European continent.

I'm actually more angry at the USA for the way we forced Serbia to surrender Kosovo to the Muslims. I hope Russia rights that wrong someday.

I would rather have Putin for a President than the one we have. The Ukraine situation is not what it seems. There are plenty of Youtubes showing that the west is pushing Russia.

Originalist 11-17-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1344129)
Truly, you could not have impeached Lincoln by then with an electric impeachment machine, if you had had one; his Greenbacks had taken hold, and the economy was in a renaissance. I guess depending upon who one listens to, he was quite popular?


That is why one has to wonder if elements within his own government had him killed.

aegsm76 11-17-2014 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1344121)
You realize that if Lincoln had not been killed things there would probably not have been the issues with Reconstruction.
His death put the finishing touches to the North's desire for vengence.

Your view of the world is an obviously deep South one...

Originalist 11-17-2014 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1344142)
Your view of the world is an obviously deep South one...

Friend, up until the last few years, even texts book written by pro-Lincoln scholars admitted that the Reconstruction Act was not in keeping with Lincoln's "Malice towards None" views on reconstruction and would never have been tolerated by him.

Furthermore these same texts books were very graphic in their description of the exploitation of the defeated South by carpertbagger types.

So his view is not the "deep south view".

shazeep 11-17-2014 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1344133)
That is why one has to wonder if elements within his own government had him killed.

Ya he had plenty of enemies there

aegsm76 11-18-2014 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1344150)
Friend, up until the last few years, even texts book written by pro-Lincoln scholars admitted that the Reconstruction Act was not in keeping with Lincoln's "Malice towards None" views on reconstruction and would never have been tolerated by him.

Furthermore these same texts books were very graphic in their description of the exploitation of the defeated South by carpertbagger types.

So his view is not the "deep south view".

I agree with you.
Lincoln's assassination changed how the South was treated, for the worse.

Jermyn Davidson 11-18-2014 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1344131)
I would rather have Putin for a President than the one we have. The Ukraine situation is not what it seems. There are plenty of Youtubes showing that the west is pushing Russia.

How is the west pushing Russia and what does that have to do with their annexation of Ukrainian territory?

You don't want Putin, you don't know what kindof devil Putin is.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...nalized#r=read

shazeep 11-18-2014 02:08 PM

Re: Prayed For Putin's Death
 
:lol sorry, quoting a mouthpiece like that one is hardly credible--you might at least seek an independent source. I agree, sadly, with MtD.

shazeep 11-18-2014 02:12 PM

Re: Prayed For Putin's Death
 
You might also google US bases in Europe and Asia, and view them on a map, to get some clue as to the scope here. Before you post anymore, wadr.


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