You find a piece of paper....
 

You find a piece of paper. Written on it is this:

God spoke to me. This is what He said: " ___________ "

What's in the blank is irrelevant to my question, but you would be able to read it, if it helps determine whether it came from God or not. And my question is this:

If you found that paper, would you be able to know if God really said what it says?

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Ever seeking to prove the bible wrong and mythical, and never ceasing. What's your mission, T? You get on a Christian forum and do nothing but intend to shoot down faith in the God of the Bible. Why the vengeance?

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I voted.

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Thanks, J.

Matterwichoo, M?

:lol

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???

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(What's the) matter wi(th) yo(u), M?

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Care to expound, Jermyn? How would you know?

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Ah, thanks for voting, Mike. You could expound, too, if you like.

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Just compare the writing with the bible. Simple.

Now, answer my question. :D

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depends what is written

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Like Mike said, I'd compare it to the Bible.

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You don't think that is what he is really trying to do?

Why would someone want to waste their time doing such a destructive thing as that?

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So you compare the writing with the Bible. If it doesn't contradict, does that prove that God spoke those words to the writer?

As to your question, asking what I did doesn't do any such thing. Now, how about my followup question: "Matterwichoo?" :heeheehee

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Believe me, that's all he has been doing for the most part on this forum. Seriously. And that is the same question I am asking. WHY? lol

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Nope, but it's a place to start.

What?

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So you're not finished? Continue, please. ;)

The question I posed on this thread does not do what you accuse me of doing. Well, unless someone reads it and it occurs to them that they can't possibly know whether any particular writing was God-inspired or not, and take the logical step that even the Bible would have the same problem -- that you cannot know that it itself is inspired by God, unless, say, you think you have the supernatural power to determine such things, and of course conclude "No" for some books (Quran, Book of Mormon, e.g.) and "Yes" for others (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, etc., e.g.). But then, don't blame me: such a person's faith wasn't very strong anyway. Pray for them. That will fix it.

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(So far, so good, though. No "No" votes yet. ;))

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Not from the piece of paper. And if the statement isn't egregiously in violation to Scripture, you'd not be able to tell by the statement itself. If it were from God, you'd feel a witness to it's truth in your spirit.

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This sums it up for me.

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Not sure everyone understands the question. It's not "Can you rule it out if it disagrees with other books that you have previously accepted as divinely inspired?" Rather, it asks if you can tell whether or not that particular paper accurately records something God has actually spoken to someone, as it claims. Ruling it out, if it's false, is part of it, but if you can't rule it out, you have to keep going: did God say it?

Today is December 23.

Does that contradict the Bible? No. Did God tell me that it is December 23? You tell me.

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Ah. Now we're talking. You have the ability to feel a witness in your heart. Maybe my problem is I was never given this ability. Or maybe I was! My heart says No to certain things that your hears says Yes to. Who's right?

Well, duh. I am. :lol

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Your heart can't be trusted.

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What you said is not read into it, but rather precisely the reason you wrote what you did. To cast disbelief of the bible onto others.

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well, a calendar could do that; can you give another example?

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there is no reason why you both might not be "right," from your respective povs.

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Sad.

I have to agree with you Bro. Blume.

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Like J said, why would anyone waste their time to this extent?

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:heeheehee

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OK. Here's an actual example, though it wasn't written on paper. A man told me that God told him my brother would be healed of cancer.

Did God say that to the man? Can you tell?

Mike, can you?

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There is a reason we can't both be right, no matter the povs. It's simple: God said something to the writer or He didn't. One of our hearts is right and one is wrong.

You're not even trying to make sense, are you?

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So, are you going to continue your answer or not? Can you?

Is it not even important to you?

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Sure! Was he healed? If not, then it was not God.

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It's important to me, but I cannot honestly see that it is to you.

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At a Sunday Night Service....Mother and Dad, that child over there is coming home. Two days later he called and said, Mama, i'm coming home, can you meet my bus at such and such time? And I did..

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And...

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Well, since i know your bro was not healed, it is easy for me to say that God did not say that to the guy. But also my position is that God does not really speak to people since our canon is now closed. I even have Scripture that indicates this. But this is an old argument, so surely you've heard them.

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well, it is my position that the real truth, spiritual 'sense,' is hardly comprehensible to anyone, me included. In this case, yes, there is no pov involved--the guy had an agenda. Now, whether that was to promote positive thinking--a powerful force--or not, it was still wrong of him to put it that way--"God told me _______," even if your brother then went on to a cure, imo; for the simple reason that we have a Scriptural formula for healing, and that is not a part of it. Personally, i run from people who say "God told me ______" now, as 1) i have had some painful experiences there myself, and 2) i now understand the psychology behind the claim. So, it led me to what Scripture advises, which is that charlatans flock to religion for cover.

Maybe it led you somewhere else; maybe for good reason. Personally, i am aware that the Bible we have is corrupted--but we now have access to the original languages, plus a lexicon; and even before all these tools were so easily available, getting the essential part of Scripture was possible even with a KJV, and if the essence is misunderstood, all the perfection of translation in the world would not help one anyway.

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Just because a person dies from a disease doesn't mean that person wasn't healed.

In fact, if they're saved, natural death guarantees their healing.

Some of the Jews thought when then Messiah would come, He'd conquer the Romans and usher in a new government. The Messiah came but when He didn't perform the way they thought He would perform, they rejected the Messiah.

Just because they rejected the Messiah doesn't mean that the Messiah didn't come.

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I will only touch upon the points in bold:

You stated: "we have a scriptural formula for healing, and that is not a part of it".
You do err, not knowing the scriptures...": What is the gift of the word
of knowledge? Tell us.

You again: "but we now have access to the original languages, plus a lexicon...".
True believers have had access to the Holy Spirit since Pentecost: it is the
Holy Spirit that truly opens up the scriptures and gives one understanding
of God's will and the spiritual realm.

You once more: "if the essence is misunderstood, all... translation in the world
would not help one anyway".The essence can only be misunderstood sans the
Holy Spirit. "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God."

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So true! God's answers to our prayers many times are in ways we could never imagine.