Did God become his own son?
 

Did God become his own son?

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The Bible says that God GAVE his only son.

If I give the gift, am I the gift?

The father and the son SENT the holy spirit?

If I send a letter, am I the letter?

:)

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You're making too much sense. Maybe you don't belong here. :heeheehee

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No, no, here it is...

God got INTO the box, and got the angel Gabriel to tape it up and put it in the mail. Got it now.

Wait, he's everywhere, so he taped it up himself and sent it with himself in it.

I'm confused now.

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Oh no, and you were doing so well! :lol

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Whats even more confusing is the term GOD the Son. How can someone have that title and still be co-eternal with GOD the Father. Dont those terms denote that someone existed before the other?

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Right! And since it says God sent the Son, the Son can't be God!

Oh, and since God sends the Spirit, the Spirit isn't God either!

Hey this stuff really does make sense!

Enough "sense" to guarantee the unstable a place in hell.

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...unless the Bible says he is...

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Can you address the points in my post please? How can GOD have the title son and still be co-equal and co-eternal?

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Hebrews 1: 1 -2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"

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So Jesus isn't God? What is the point of this passage in this discussion?

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No.

Ask Timmy.

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En huioi means “in son” or “in the son”. He is the one through whom the worlds were made.

“Through whom also He made the worlds” – Hebrews 1:2 “Through” is “dia”, meaning, “by means of”.

John 1:1-3;14 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”

The Word is not separate from God, therefore, Jesus is not separate from God.

Conclusion: God became his own son. Or rather, God became a son - "(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth..." John 1:14

And if Isaiah 42:8 says, "I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another.....", it is NOT possible that God is NOT the son if we can behold that "glory" in Jesus Christ.

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"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

PO had it right:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,”

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Yes, indeed.

You are both skipping over "Word was with God".

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And you are skipping over the continuation in that passage, fleshing it out, no pun intended, i.e., "...and the Word WAS God..."

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No, I see it.

How do you understand the Word to be with God without there being any sort of separation?

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If the Word WAS God, how is there any sort of separation? Is it separate because it is visible? No. We "beheld" His glory.

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When he sees you quarreling over this kind of thing, God must be beside himself. :heeheehee

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You're going to be "beside yourself" when "every knee shall bow". Just sayin'... :heeheehee

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Great Post PO!!:thumbsup

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through His own flesh He did. God created His own sonship that He may dwell in flesh and become our kinsmen redeemer.

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It is separate (maybe) because the Word was WITH God. You can't explain it away by quoting the next phrase - that doesn't answer the question. Trinitarians have tried to explain this with the Trinity - do you have have a different way of reconciling the Word being WITH God? What does that mean?

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:laffatu:yourock

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Nothing like being told you're going to hell twice in one thread to stifle discussion.

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:icecream

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Oh, ya get kinda used to it after a while. :heeheehee

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So, we are not allowed to complete the thought by quoting the next phrase? How is that going to work for context?

"And the Word was with God, and the Word was....." Scrap that thought. lol

And why would I care what a Trinitarian says when Isaiah 9:6 is plain as day?

The first time that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 :heeheehee

"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (KJV)

"For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace." (Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition - DRA)

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You opened the gate. :heeheehee

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I didn't say Timmy was going to hell. I think that if he is sincere with his questioning, he will be surprised when every knee shall bow. A lot of truth will be staring at all of us, in the face, on judgement day.

If he is asking the question, mocking God, which I don't think he is, that would be a different story.

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Get back to me when you are done giggling your way thru the discussion.

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The next phrase answers the question. You just don't want that answer. I don't have a question here, so I'll let you knock it around with Tim-may.

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he also invented pizza.

whats the problem here?

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:highfive

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No, but 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 :spit

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Have you ever considered comparing John 1:1-2 with I John 1:1-2?

The latter is a deeper explanation of the former and pretty much tells us the context of "with" and "Word".

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Do you agree that the "word" is logos in the Greek as all theologians do? Logos in Greek means a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy. It never has meant a "person" of the trinity.

Also no one can explain to me how the second "person" in the trinity is called son. How can a son be co-equal and co-eternal? How does the term son not denote a birth thus rendering the co-eternal thing mute? How can a son be submissive to the father and be co-equal? Son before his birth was Logos. After the birth he was the messiah.

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You do not understand infinity. (x-1) comes before (x) always and yet we can let x approach infinity and x-1 will likewise approach infinity along with x.

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What?

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LOL!!!!! That's what I would say. What????????