School of Prophets Conference
 

I picked up a Herald, something I haven't done in at least a year, and was browsing a Special Issue recently put out. I noticed that there is a "School of Prophets" conference going to be held in Stockton at Christian Life on July 23-27.

The listed preachers are Nathaniel Haney, Eli Lopez, Lee Stoneking, John Arcovio, Matt Maddix, Anthony Romo, and Ronnie Mullings.


My question is simple. Where are the Prophets?? Did they forget to list them?

This has been something that CLC has done for years(at least early 90s if not late 80s). There has been more done for young men at this retreat then you will probably do in a hundred years...take your cheap backseat potshots elsewhere...blockhead

I did not advertise a School of Prophets Conference, so I am not the focus of this thread. You are just trying to project the focus off of the fact that none of the men listed are really prophets. Not saying they are not good men, but they are not prophets. I would say it is a case of false advertisement.

I have a mixed review of this conference, as being one of the founding members and participants it did me much good in my youth. We would gather in the Mountains with the likes of Morton Bustard who despite what some on here think of him, influenced me to seek these gifts of God.

But it has gotten away from the simple, equipping, mentoring, create an environment for spiritual activity to the usual preaching conference where the attendees come and now watch the experts do their thing.

They will leave feeling energized, tell others that they heard great preaching, exhortation but leave little equipped or exercised their gifting.

Sad because it could be much more...

By the way Arcovio is a prophet, though his misses have been more highlighted than his successes. In my opinion he is the real deal.

I don't consider any of the speakers to be prophets so how would they know...interesting...

The test of a true prophet...

Deut 18:20-22 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21 And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' — 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (NKJV)

If this is the standard for NT prophets, then there isnt one alive. I disagree with this being the standard for NT prophets, this was the OT economy and the fact that the prophet spoke directly from God on the national stage. Also this a reference to the ulitmate prophet Jesus Christ.

I recommend reading Grudem's discourse on this theme.

Wow, amazing that you would say that. When someone says "thus sayeth the Lord," when God didn't, I think it is fairly serious.

Is there mercy today? Certainly. Is there still a standard? I believe so.

As for reading the specific discourse you mentioned, I'm sticking with the Bible on this one. :D

When I was in Asia, a pastor there told a remarkable prophecy given to him by J. Arcovio about his building situation.

The gist being the landlord where they had church would give them trouble (came to pass)

And then proceeded to describe the new building where they would relocate (came to pass in every detail)

I agree. Men are subject to human Error of All sorts.
we don't throw a Pastor away when he makes an honest mistake
that can be corrected
although, when you say "GOD SAID IT" people really take that for face value. the Prophets need to be careful how they word things

the Old testament Prophets are not the same as the 5 fold ministry of today. OT prophets did not have the holy ghost for one thing.
there was a new set of guidelines for the gifts. stoning a prophet is not listed in the NT.

Ok for starters lets look at this being the standard,

I Thess. 5 tells us to test prophetic words and hold fast to the good portion, yet we are also told not to despise prophetic words,

Romans 12, to prophesy according to faith, and not to go beyond that

These two scriptures reveal that it is possible for prophetic words to be wrong and yet the gift to be legititmate.

According to I Peter and Jude the OT prophet equivalent in the NT is the teacher

They don't have your #, don't fret, I didn't get a phone call either...

3 of them on the list do operate in the Prophetic

then that person didn't hear from God correctly! test the word!

So you are saying that the Holy Ghost filled prophets are more prone to "miss?"

Yes, we are saying that.

are you willing to also take up stones and kill someone for missing ??

today the body of believers lays hands on the sick , do all get heald?
the body of believers can aspire to giftings. not the same as OT

Interesting.

So do you believe that anyone who has been used in the gift of prophecy fulfills the office of the Prophet?

How would you qualify who is a prophet and who is not?

Thad, I'm not stoning anyone...lol...and I understand the gifts of the Spirit.

I'm speaking of someone who fulfills the office of the prophet.

GL if you believe the OT testament Law Applies today then you have to be consistent. take up Rocks and stone them- are you willing ??? or will you offer NT mercy ???

I do not question the legitimacy of the gift. Not at all. I'm thankful to have a prophet in my life.

:rolleyes2:rolleyes2:rolleyes2

This is not a question of mercy.

I'm talking about individuals who currently are fulfilling the office of the prophet.

Keith,

there are a lot of folks who are against the Gifts. this is to be expected

:lol

I've been used in the gift of prophecy numerous times.

:lol

I certainly believe in the gifts...

there is a difference between gift of NT prophecy and NT prophet, the gift is a temporary manifestation, the office is a person. Though similar in operation, all Christians evangelise to some degree, but a Evangelist is a person.

Who do you consider your prophet?

Keith, I understand that...:lol

I was going to ask this...

I guess he missed that one!:lol

Why would you want to know?

You are missing my point. Totally...

You've made it out that I don't believe in the gifts, when our church has been practicing them consistently.

You've then thought me to be confused in reference to the gift of prophecy and the office of the prophet. :rolleyes2

no sense in getting a Bad "SPIRIT" over this Issue.

Keith, my question to you since you seem to be an expert on the subject....

What are the distinguishing marks of one who fulfills the office of the NT prophet? If that individual misses fairly often, does not the Body of Christ have the right and obligation to question that person's claim to be a NT prophet?

:lol

:rolleyes2

My point being, you most likely consider you pastor to be your prophet, which is fine by me, but your standard of absolute perfection would dis-qualify him that office, becasue you and I both know that he has missed it, :sly, right!

My pastor does not fulfill the office of NT prophet.

Please answer my question. I would really like to know.

Oh, and the prophet who God has chosen to speak in my life has never missed it in a "this sayeth the Lord" moment, in reference to us, our ministry or our church. I have not gone throughout the churches he's ministered in and asked everyone, in order to administer the prophet test... :)

1. Someone called by God to that office

2. Consistent use of the Gift of prophecy, the body of Christ will recognize this.

3. Consistent accuracy in that gift, the criteria being edification, comfort and exhortation. They will be more on than off, but they will grow in their gifting. No conference preacher started in that level of authority or no teacher started at that level, but as the exercised their gifting the grew up their gift and became more mature and authoritative.

4. The openess to have their words tested and weighed (I Cor. 14; I Thess. 5)

I answered your see above post, but you danced around mine, who is your prophet?