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Pressing-On 02-06-2015 05:13 PM
ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
This is written by a doctor and is well done on facts!

How vaccine hysteria could spark totalitarian nightmare
Exclusive: Lee Hieb, M.D., shares 'dirty little secret' immunization pushers don't reveal

1. Since 2005 (and even before that), there have been no deaths in the U.S. from measles, but there have been 86 deaths from MMR vaccine – 68 of them in children under 3 years old. And there were nearly 2,000 disabled, per the aforementioned VAERS data.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/how-vacci...ian-nightmare/

mizpeh 02-06-2015 06:01 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1356679)
This is written by a doctor and is well done on facts!

How vaccine hysteria could spark totalitarian nightmare
Exclusive: Lee Hieb, M.D., shares 'dirty little secret' immunization pushers don't reveal

1. Since 2005 (and even before that), there have been no deaths in the U.S. from measles, but there have been 86 deaths from MMR vaccine – 68 of them in children under 3 years old. And there were nearly 2,000 disabled, per the aforementioned VAERS data.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/how-vacci...ian-nightmare/
I had the measles and mumps as a child and don't remember them being that bad.

Pressing-On 02-06-2015 07:55 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 1356687)
I had the measles and mumps as a child and don't remember them being that bad.
I did too and don't remember it being anything other than something everyone got and got over. Everyone is in hysterics calling a small number an epidemic.

I read a comment by a nurse who said she kept a journal of patients coming in and getting immunized. She said that 7 to 10 days later, (85%) of those patients were back in the office with all sorts of problems - upper respiratory infections, etc. They are supposed to report these things, but she was instructed by the doctors not to do it.

My daughter had a reaction after her MMR vaccine. She couldn't breathe and was turning blue. I can't recall now, but it seems this went on for several weeks. It wasn't medication, but the Lord that healed her. I didn't know what to do when nothing was working. I had a tent over her bed and woke up in the nights to see if she was alive. One evening, I was driving down the highway and she began to cough and turned to me with wide eyes. I felt the presence of God and reached over, laid my hand toward her and said, "I command you to be healed." She was healed from that moment.

There is no one who can convince me that vaccines are safe. There are too many diseases that have no answer. We know that what goes into our body is the problem. I look at vaccines as one of those problems. It's too much toxicity not to be.

n david 02-06-2015 08:57 PM
I've been researching and agonizing over vaccination shots for a few months now. My 5-year old daughter hasn't received the MMR vaccine, and won't ever if we're still allowed to choose.

She did get the polio and other vaccines as a baby. And today, after a lot of prayer, and seeing what shots I had as a child (much, much less than what's recommended now), our twins received some shots. But not before I took some anointing oil and prayed over them at home before going to the pediatrician.

We did not allow the Hep B shots, either at birth or today. It makes no sense for a baby to get a shot for a sexually transmitted disease.

I'm still very nervous, but trusting God to keep them from harm.

Praxeas 02-06-2015 09:00 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1356679)
This is written by a doctor and is well done on facts!

How vaccine hysteria could spark totalitarian nightmare
Exclusive: Lee Hieb, M.D., shares 'dirty little secret' immunization pushers don't reveal

1. Since 2005 (and even before that), there have been no deaths in the U.S. from measles, but there have been 86 deaths from MMR vaccine – 68 of them in children under 3 years old. And there were nearly 2,000 disabled, per the aforementioned VAERS data.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/how-vacci...ian-nightmare/
  • Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.
  • In 2013, there were 145 700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.
  • Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.
  • In 2013, about 84% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 73% in 2000.
  • During 2000-2013, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

BTW IF...IF there were no deaths due to measles...maybe its because so many were vaccinated and never got it?

Praxeas 02-06-2015 09:02 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 1356687)
I had the measles and mumps as a child and don't remember them being that bad.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1356694)
I did too and don't remember it being anything other than something everyone got and got over. Everyone is in hysterics calling a small number an epidemic.

I read a comment by a nurse who said she kept a journal of patients coming in and getting immunized. She said that 7 to 10 days later, (85%) of those patients were back in the office with all sorts of problems - upper respiratory infections, etc. They are supposed to report these things, but she was instructed by the doctors not to do it.

My daughter had a reaction after her MMR vaccine. She couldn't breathe and was turning blue. I can't recall now, but it seems this went on for several weeks. It wasn't medication, but the Lord that healed her. I didn't know what to do when nothing was working. I had a tent over her bed and woke up in the nights to see if she was alive. One evening, I was driving down the highway and she began to cough and turned to me with wide eyes. I felt the presence of God and reached over, laid my hand toward her and said, "I command you to be healed." She was healed from that moment.

There is no one who can convince me that vaccines are safe. There are too many diseases that have no answer. We know that what goes into our body is the problem. I look at vaccines as one of those problems. It's too much toxicity not to be.
People die from the flu too. Just because you survived and it was not that bad does not mean you can't die from it

Praxeas 02-06-2015 09:05 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
How am I supposed to take this person seriously? She does not sound objective nor professional

1. The voices shrieking to forcibly vaccinate people are the same voices shrieking to support a woman’s right to choose abortion under Roe v. Wade. If a woman’s body is sacrosanct, if she has the right to choose to deliver a child or not, if she has total authority over her body, how can she not have the right to accept or refuse a vaccination?
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/how-vacci...RX1prrEdyP0.99

"Shieking"? She should be here arguing with Walks In Islam or some other...the only ones pushing for immunization are those that believe in Abortion? talk about poisoning the well.

n david 02-06-2015 09:11 PM
Prax, per VAERS, there have been 0 (ZERO) deaths from measles in the US in the past decade. However, there have been 108 deaths (96 from MMR alone) from vaccines in the past decade.

Again, ZERO deaths from measles.
108 deaths from measles vaccines.

n david 02-06-2015 09:14 PM
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n david 02-06-2015 09:16 PM
This includes a measles outbreak in 2007 and the current outbreak.

Pressing-On 02-06-2015 09:17 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1356718)
How am I supposed to take this person seriously? She does not sound objective nor professional

1. The voices shrieking to forcibly vaccinate people are the same voices shrieking to support a woman’s right to choose abortion under Roe v. Wade. If a woman’s body is sacrosanct, if she has the right to choose to deliver a child or not, if she has total authority over her body, how can she not have the right to accept or refuse a vaccination?
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/how-vacci...RX1prrEdyP0.99

"Shrieking"? She should be here arguing with Walks In Islam or some other...the only ones pushing for immunization are those that believe in Abortion? talk about poisoning the well.
Oh, please, Prax. You didn't read or see the LEFT shrieking about abortion being a woman's right during Romney's presidential run? How soon we forget. Yes, they are shrieking. MSNBC, et al were surely shrieking.

Pressing-On 02-06-2015 09:20 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1356713)
  • Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.
  • In 2013, there were 145 700 measles deaths globally – about 400 deaths every day or 16 deaths every hour.
  • Measles vaccination resulted in a 75% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2013 worldwide.
  • In 2013, about 84% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 73% in 2000.
  • During 2000-2013, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

BTW IF...IF there were no deaths due to measles...maybe its because so many were vaccinated and never got it?
Everyone I went to school with were vaccinated and we still got the measles and Chicken Pox. No one died.

One of my classmates got polio from his polio vaccine. He isn't the only person that got polio from vaccines either.

Praxeas 02-06-2015 09:24 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1356727)
Oh, please, Prax. You didn't read or see the LEFT shrieking about abortion being a woman's right during Romney's presidential run? How soon we forget. Yes, they are shrieking. MSNBC, et al were surely shrieking.
.the good doctor said " voices shrieking to forcibly vaccinate people"...I didn't deny anyone "shrieks"

And whether they shrieked or not, that sounds more like an attempt to muddy the waters than present an objective case. Its pejorative. It feeds into the mentality of people who frequent WND and other such publications

Study Logical fallacies

Praxeas 02-06-2015 09:25 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1356728)
Everyone I went to school with were vaccinated and we still got the measles and Chicken Pox. No one died.

One of my classmates got polio from his polio vaccine. He isn't the only person that got polio from vaccines either.
Irregardless, the claim about no one dying seems bogus and unsupported

Esaias 02-07-2015 12:30 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Vaccinism is a religion stuffed with true believers.

I learned the truth years from asking direct pointed questions of our pediatrician. Her info was clear - vaccines render the immune system weakened and support the continuation of disease. When I pointed that out her only card left to play was "just trust me".

Sealed the deal for me.

Fact: the only cases of polio lately have been DUE to the vaccine. (Might be new ones now tho what with the illegal invasion and all)

Fact: vaccination prevents you from having true immunity to what you were vaccnated for. Vaccinated persons can carry those diseases and transmit them to others, with or without symptoms.

Fact: the vaccination industry has been proven to lie and distort medical facts to support the sale of vaccines.

Fact: true believers will not be persuaded by facts, only by men in white coats (priests of the sacred mysteries).

I've learned by experience most doctors have no clue what they are doing. Might as well go to Jiffy Lube in most cases.

But I DO respect a lot of nurses and technicians. They actually usually know what the score is. And I've had plenty of them tell me stay away from vaccines, doctors, and hospitals as much as possible.

Go figure.

n david 02-07-2015 03:04 AM
In the ER with one of the twins due to high fever after getting some shots today. She's on IV and under observation for a while. Heart rate is above normal.

Should've stuck with my first thought of no vaccines. I'm angry with myself.

No more vax, not after this.

Esaias 02-07-2015 03:14 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Praying for you and yours.

n david 02-07-2015 06:34 AM
Tired and upset. Being told my daughter is going to be admitted into the hospital. They've ordered a spinal tap and said they found white blood cells in her urine, indicative of a UTI. They say none of the vaccines could have caused this.

The link below, from the National Institute of Health makes me skeptical as it appears there may indeed be a link between the Dtap vaccine and UTI.

Source Link

Pressing-On 02-07-2015 07:13 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by n david (Post 1356763)
In the ER with one of the twins due to high fever after getting some shots today. She's on IV and under observation for a while. Heart rate is above normal.

Should've stuck with my first thought of no vaccines. I'm angry with myself.

No more vax, not after this.
I am sorry to see this and will be praying for your daughter as well as you and your family.

Pressing-On 02-07-2015 07:14 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1356756)
Vaccinism is a religion stuffed with true believers.

I learned the truth years from asking direct pointed questions of our pediatrician. Her info was clear - vaccines render the immune system weakened and support the continuation of disease. When I pointed that out her only card left to play was "just trust me".

Sealed the deal for me.

Fact: the only cases of polio lately have been DUE to the vaccine. (Might be new ones now tho what with the illegal invasion and all)

Fact: vaccination prevents you from having true immunity to what you were vaccnated for. Vaccinated persons can carry those diseases and transmit them to others, with or without symptoms.

Fact: the vaccination industry has been proven to lie and distort medical facts to support the sale of vaccines.

Fact: true believers will not be persuaded by facts, only by men in white coats (priests of the sacred mysteries).

I've learned by experience most doctors have no clue what they are doing. Might as well go to Jiffy Lube in most cases.

But I DO respect a lot of nurses and technicians. They actually usually know what the score is. And I've had plenty of them tell me stay away from vaccines, doctors, and hospitals as much as possible.

Go figure.
:thumbsup

I simply believe in parental choice. If someone feels compelled to be vaccinated, go for it. Just don't force others who disagree.

Pressing-On 02-07-2015 07:28 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1356732)
.the good doctor said " voices shrieking to forcibly vaccinate people"...I didn't deny anyone "shrieks"

And whether they shrieked or not, that sounds more like an attempt to muddy the waters than present an objective case. Its pejorative. It feeds into the mentality of people who frequent WND and other such publications

Study Logical fallacies
I rarely click on the WND link, but someone sent me the article and I posted it here because I have read the same information she put out. Dr. Lee Hieb is also a Libertarian which will explain why she doesn't want the government overreach.

Quote:
Dr. Lee Hieb served as a general orthopedic surgeon at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina; was the first and only female Louis A. Goldstein fellow of Spinal Surgery at the University of Rochester; is a past president of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons; and is an outspoken advocate for free-market medicine. Dr. Hieb has been a contributor to HumanEvents.com and writes a weekly column for WND.com. She enjoys her two sons and a healthy rural lifestyle in Logan, Iowa.

They are shrieking all over the media with this vaccine hysteria.

I don't always listen to Rush Limbaugh either, but I agree with him here:

Quote:
So Romney finally answered it, and that gave birth to the War on Women. There was no War on Women, and now this vaccination thing has popped up. It's another attempt at re-creating the War on Women. This is designed to destroy Republicans, particularly Republicans running for president, by creating a phony debate over vaccinations, a debate that does not exist, a controversy that was not alive. And, all of a sudden, now the Drive-By daily soap opera theme or meme today is a debate between Christie and Rand Paul and others in the Republican primary field over whether or not vaccinations should be mandatory, while nobody's even talking about why we need them.

What's being set up here, there are some Republican parents who don't want to have to vaccinate their kids. They don't want the government to have that kind of power. So Republicans are once again being set up as anti-government, anti-health, all this stuff. There's another reason why this is happening, folks, and that's to cover up Mrs. Clinton.

If you go back and look, Mrs. Clinton -- maybe one of my crack researchers will do this -- if you go back and look, Mrs. Clinton has plenty of anti-mandatory vaccination statements that she's made on the record over the course of many years. I mean, she's been on both sides of this. She wanted vaccinations to be mass manufactured, mass distributed, and she did have a period of time where they mandated everybody should have them. And other times she's been on the other side of it, too.

Meanwhile, if you do some research, you find out it was both Obama and Hillary who were out there spreading this idea that certain vaccines might lead to autism, and they were cautioning against mass vaccination. They're the ones doing it. They're the ones that are on record as being opposed to mass vaccines whenever government says you must have it. Hillary has been on both sides because she and her husband, at the same time, have been on the financial good side of mass-vaccine manufacture and sale and import. What a convoluted mess.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/20...w_war_on_women

Pressing-On 02-07-2015 07:33 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Dr. Lee Hieb has a 12 part series regarding Government Regulations and Obamacare. February 13, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soeWslH75ts

I also enjoyed listening to her speech - Government Medicine is Hazardous to Your Health

Orthopedic Surgeon Lee Hieb, MD debunks seven of the frequently cited reasons given to rationalize top-down, government-controlled health care reform. Dr. Hieb presented this talk at the 68th Annual Meeting of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeon, September 29, 2011.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpu9uWopo-k

ILG 02-07-2015 09:02 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
N David, how are things going today?

ILG 02-07-2015 09:08 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Hey PO!

Yes, I have very mixed feelings regarding vaccines but lean against them. My kids were fully vaccinated but if I had it to do over, I would at the very least do it more slowly than recommended and at the very most, not vaccinate at all.

I did forego the Hep B for both my kids when they were young until we moved to WI and they had to get it for school. (Didn't really know my choices)

There are so many things to consider concerning vaccines. Have you read The Virus and the Vaccine? http://www.amazon.com/The-Virus-Vacc.../dp/0312342721 It has been kept SO quiet that the polio vaccine was proven to contain a cancer causing virus.

The MMR is cultured from a cell line derived from aborted fetuses. On a very quick search ( I give no backing for or against this site) https://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf and according to this site it looks like there are a lot more of them

The autism debate rages about the MMR. CDC says no correlation but if there were a proven correlation there would be mutiny.

Manufacturers CANNOT BE SUED if anything goes wrong!! No accountability!!

Some feel that vaccines are being used to produce infertility.

ILG 02-07-2015 09:14 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by n david (Post 1356777)
Tired and upset. Being told my daughter is going to be admitted into the hospital. They've ordered a spinal tap and said they found white blood cells in her urine, indicative of a UTI. They say none of the vaccines could have caused this.

The link below, from the National Institute of Health makes me skeptical as it appears there may indeed be a link between the Dtap vaccine and UTI.

Source Link
Boy, I'd be skeptical too!

KeptByTheWord 02-07-2015 09:52 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by n david (Post 1356777)
Tired and upset. Being told my daughter is going to be admitted into the hospital. They've ordered a spinal tap and said they found white blood cells in her urine, indicative of a UTI. They say none of the vaccines could have caused this.

The link below, from the National Institute of Health makes me skeptical as it appears there may indeed be a link between the Dtap vaccine and UTI.

Source Link
ND - wow, I am SO sorry to hear about this! I will certainly spend time in prayer for your family after going through this. Make your voice known. Don't back down from the doctors and those who would try to tell you otherwise. I will be praying that the Lord touches your little girl with no untoward effects from this!!!!

KeptByTheWord 02-07-2015 09:53 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1356801)
Hey PO!

Yes, I have very mixed feelings regarding vaccines but lean against them. My kids were fully vaccinated but if I had it to do over, I would at the very least do it more slowly than recommended and at the very most, not vaccinate at all.

I did forego the Hep B for both my kids when they were young until we moved to WI and they had to get it for school. (Didn't really know my choices)

There are so many things to consider concerning vaccines. Have you read The Virus and the Vaccine? http://www.amazon.com/The-Virus-Vacc.../dp/0312342721 It has been kept SO quiet that the polio vaccine was proven to contain a cancer causing virus.

The MMR is cultured from a cell line derived from aborted fetuses. On a very quick search ( I give no backing for or against this site) https://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf and according to this site it looks like there are a lot more of them

The autism debate rages about the MMR. CDC says no correlation but if there were a proven correlation there would be mutiny.

Manufacturers CANNOT BE SUED if anything goes wrong!! No accountability!!

Some feel that vaccines are being used to produce infertility.
That one point right there puts up a HUGE red flag as to what is really going on.

ILG 02-07-2015 10:07 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1356810)
That one point right there puts up a HUGE red flag as to what is really going on.
For sure!

n david 02-07-2015 10:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1356800)
N David, how are things going today?
She's been admitted. Blood test was good. The urine test had white blood cells indicating possible UTI. They did a culture which takes 2-3 days. They also did a spinal tap which went well, thank God. Fluid was clear, which is a good thing. Her heart rate, I was told, should be around 140-150, was in the 180-220 range when we first got in the staging room. Thankfully, that it has come down and remained in the normal range.

Still in an ER staging room (since 11:45pm last night), waiting for a room to open upstairs.

She had an IV put just below her wrist. Unfortunately, the first line didn't work - couldn't hit the vein. So they had to do the other arm.

They have her on two antibiotics, Ampicillin and Cefotaxime.

She's been sleeping well since the spinal tap.

n david 02-07-2015 10:51 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1356765)
Praying for you and yours.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1356779)
I am sorry to see this and will be praying for your daughter as well as you and your family.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1356809)
ND - wow, I am SO sorry to hear about this! I will certainly spend time in prayer for your family after going through this. Make your voice known. Don't back down from the doctors and those who would try to tell you otherwise. I will be praying that the Lord touches your little girl with no untoward effects from this!!!!
Thank you all.

n david 02-07-2015 10:58 AM
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ILG 02-07-2015 11:16 AM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by n david (Post 1356835)
She's been admitted. Blood test was good. The urine test had white blood cells indicating possible UTI. They did a culture which takes 2-3 days. They also did a spinal tap which went well, thank God. Fluid was clear, which is a good thing. Her heart rate, I was told, should be around 140-150, was in the 180-220 range when we first got in the staging room. Thankfully, that it has come down and remained in the normal range.

Still in an ER staging room (since 11:45pm last night), waiting for a room to open upstairs.

She had an IV put just below her wrist. Unfortunately, the first line didn't work - couldn't hit the vein. So they had to do the other arm.

They have her on two antibiotics, Ampicillin and Cefotaxime.

She's been sleeping well since the spinal tap.
I'm so sorry you are going through this. You made the best decision you could have made at the time.

MawMaw 02-07-2015 12:41 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by n david (Post 1356763)
In the ER with one of the twins due to high fever after getting some shots today. She's on IV and under observation for a while. Heart rate is above normal.

Should've stuck with my first thought of no vaccines. I'm angry with myself.

No more vax, not after this.
Praying for your baby!

commonsense 02-07-2015 12:46 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Had measles as a child as did all of my classmates and brother and sister. If anyone ever had complications it was not publicized.:)

Also had mumps. In fact my sister and I got mumps and then graciously shared with my mother. But it's bad for adults. She was quite sick so my sister and I were farmed out to my aunt and uncle for a week or two.

I was 4 years old. Apparently I couldn't tie my shoes and my aunt thought I should know how. So she taught me! Years later a family member was tying their shoes and as I observed them I told them they did it wrong. ( I must have been bored) After a big family discussion :heeheehee Everyone had to tie their shoes________and guess who was the odd man out :girlytantrum So I tie my shoes "wrong"!!! I guess in our new society I just follow a different drummer.

commonsense 02-07-2015 12:55 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
My children had their vaccines in the 70's but their was no discussion or information.
In the 80's my dad advised me against it. He followed the alternative medicine publications and avoided doctors and medications. :thumbsup

My daughter is anti vax so the grandkids have not had recent vaccinations.

Pressing-On 02-07-2015 02:49 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1356810)
That one point right there puts up a HUGE red flag as to what is really going on.
Exactly!:thumbsup

Pressing-On 02-07-2015 02:56 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1356801)
Hey PO!

Yes, I have very mixed feelings regarding vaccines but lean against them. My kids were fully vaccinated but if I had it to do over, I would at the very least do it more slowly than recommended and at the very most, not vaccinate at all.

I did forego the Hep B for both my kids when they were young until we moved to WI and they had to get it for school. (Didn't really know my choices)

There are so many things to consider concerning vaccines. Have you read The Virus and the Vaccine? http://www.amazon.com/The-Virus-Vacc.../dp/0312342721 It has been kept SO quiet that the polio vaccine was proven to contain a cancer causing virus.

The MMR is cultured from a cell line derived from aborted fetuses. On a very quick search ( I give no backing for or against this site) https://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf and according to this site it looks like there are a lot more of them

The autism debate rages about the MMR. CDC says no correlation but if there were a proven correlation there would be mutiny.

Manufacturers CANNOT BE SUED if anything goes wrong!! No accountability!!

Some feel that vaccines are being used to produce infertility.
Always like your contributions on things like this, ILG! I agree with you. If I was forced to vaccinate, I would spread it out.

It looks like the Libertarians in the country are the only people fighting for our rights.

This article is interesting. And more interesting because Sharyl Attkisson is on the story.


Quote:
Obama Grants Immunity to CDC Whistleblower on Measles Vaccine Link to Autism
February 7, 2015

While most of the mainstream media was ignoring this story, independent journalist and former CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson called Dr. Frank DeStefano, the CDC Director of Immunization Safety, who was a co-author with Dr. William Thompson in the 2004 CDC study on the MMR vaccine, and asked him some questions about the concealed data Dr. Thompson had revealed.

She recorded her phone call and posted it on her website here.
http://sharylattkisson.com/audio-cdc...link-omission/

Attkisson asked the CDC director why the excluded data linking the measles vaccine to autism in African American boys would not be important enough to investigate further, since it contained such a higher rate of autism. Dr. DeStefano’s reply was very typical of the bias that currently exists among CDC scientists when it comes to autism:

you know, autism, as you probably are aware, is a condition that really probably has its start while the child is still in the womb. And, you now, it doesn’t, some of the behaviors and such don’t come apparent, become apparent until maybe the child is one, two, three years old.

In other words, they believe autism is completely due to genetic factors, and not environmental factors. Of course, this theory of the genetic cause of autism lends itself to billions of dollars in drug research, even though it contradicts both scientific evidence, as well as the experience of many tens of thousands of parents who saw their completely normal child rapidly digress shortly after receiving vaccines. Even the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has paid out damages to children with autism as a result of vaccines, including the measles MMR vaccine.
Obama Has Granted Whistleblower Immunity – What’s Next?

http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/oba...ink-to-autism/

Pressing-On 02-07-2015 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MawMaw (Post 1356844)
Praying for your baby!
Amen! Continuing to pray!!!

n david 02-07-2015 04:02 PM
Good news, they don't think she has UTI. Cultures have come back okay. Will likely be released tomorrow. No high temps since just past midnight.

Praxeas 02-07-2015 04:09 PM
Re: ILG - Vaccine Hysteria
 
That links basically says the vaccine shortened the incubation period of an already existing disease...


In other words the disease would have done its trick eventually but supposedly the vaccine just sped it up.


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