Who was saved or lost in Old Testament??
 

If one were to commit a sin and die before the High Priest made the annual sacrifice was said person lost?? How would you equate this to the true work of Calvary?

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Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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Then you better get off this forum¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Naw, I buy the newspaper every day to read the comics and I come here for some more good laughs.

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I don't have exact scriptures, but I base it upon Hebrews 11. I believe then kingdom of God has always been built upon faith in Christ. Although full revelation was not yet revealed to them, I still believe that their faith is what brought about their salvation and not annual sacrifices. Their faith is what caused them to be obedient and make those sacrifices. Anyone prior to Jesus Christ who had true faith in God would later be covered by the sacrifice of Christ. I believe those who had faith and loved the Lord would have repented of their sin regardless of annual sacrifices. Their faith wasn't in their own sacrifices, but it was in the mercies of God.

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I can understand that. But remember the law was pretty exact. Even the priest would be stricken if everything was not exact.

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The thing is Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David all had sinned. If any where to not have sinned it would have to been before the next sacrifice unless they died simultaneously with the sacrifice of that year. That would mean that none would be saved prior to Jesus Christ. Because everyone died between sacrifices.

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The Giants lost....

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Who are the Giants??

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Faith is the central theme throughout the OT and NT.

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Nevermind I found the answer

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please tell us the answer

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Of course I can't say who exactly who was saved or lost. But in regards to my thinking when I asked the question I was on the wrong track. The High Priest sacrifice for sins was actually for sins that would be committed in the following year and not sins of the past year. I am working on equating this with the complete work of Calvary. If and when I can articulate it scripturaly I will post it here!

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Baseball team

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Oh. The most mind numbing sport in history.

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Please elaborate on the bolded. Thanks.

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Nope. Don't feel like typing today.

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Awww... come on, I really want to hear your take on the idea.

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Another time. I'm rather busy today

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OK, I just never heard that before and was interested.

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OK. I asked my father who is 68 years old ,his father was a pastor for decades and also his uncle along with his older brother. He said he had always heard it this way. However I am not finding any scripture as Leviticus is hard to follow.

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No one was ever saved under the law.

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That's it exactly. The law was unable to save, that's why they had to continually sacrifice. It was their faith that sustained them until the cross, when Jesus fulfilled the law.

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But they were dead!

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*sigh*

Their faith in life sustained them until the cross. I'm not implying they were alive at that time....

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Sigh. This answer does not suffice! Faith in what? All they knew was the law.

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Faith in God. Do I really need to spell this out for you?

My suggestion, read Hebrews 11.

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Mercy is the central theme in the Old Testament; Grace is central in the New.

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Yes you do. Read verse 28 KJV. Even with faith the law was still kept

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Yes, they lived under the law, nevertheless their faith in God is what saved them, not the sacrifices. Those were simply to push their sins ahead, foreshadowing what Jesus fulfilled on the cross. Those sacrifices could never atone for their sins, only the blood of a sinless man could pay the price for their sinfulness. However, their sacrifices would have been meaningless without faith.

Pardon my incredulity, I simply found it hard to believe someone could be a member of this forum for over 5 years, and still not understand these basic concepts. If I came across a little condescending, I apologize.

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Lol. And in and around UPC for 43 years. Grandpa a pastor along with uncles and cousins. So maybe I'm just not asking my questions or making my points so they are easily understood. I believe it was the sacrifices that saved them.

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Since the sacrifices were shadows of Christ on the cross, God applied their obedience and faith towards those sacrifices as though it was upon Christ, but only after Christ actually died. That would seem to mean they were saved when Christ resurrected and made atonement. He counted their faith as faith toward the cross when Christ actually made atonement.

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I can agree with this. But if they made no sacrifice would they still be saved on faith alone? I don't think so

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Amen. Faith in sacrifice was the all-important key. Not just sacrifice. And not just faith. Both are absolutely necessary.

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This is what I didn't understand.

They were actually sacrificing for the sins that WOULD BE COMMITTED IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR. I thought God forgave us for sins committed in the PAST, not allow a person to offer a sacrifice for FUTURE sins?

Sounds a whole like INDULGENCE.

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I'm not really sure myself. That's why I asked the question. In Leviticus I think chapter 4 the sacrifice wasn't done until the sin was revealed to the public. I'm just having trouble with it.

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In the mind and plan of God, Christ was the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8) The benefits of his blood and his sacrifice stretch forward into the day where we live, 2,000 years post-calvary. The benefits of that blood also went backwards into time to redeem the followers of Yahweh in the Old Testament. This same blood would also be the justification for those saved under the ministry of John the Baptist, but who died prior to Calvary. The blood will be the basis for everyone's redemption who make it into the glory world regardless of the time in which they lived. There's no redemption/salvation outside the blood of Christ.

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Very good.

:thumbsup

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

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Sounds good. But what scriptures are you using to come to this conclusion?

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Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Revelation 13:8 ...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.