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Scott Pitta 03-27-2015 04:23 PM

Scott Walkers tithes dilema
 
Soon after taking office, Governor Scott Walker shared the dream of a huge job creating iron mine near Lake Superior. In order to accommodate the iron mine, environmental laws had to be changed, meaning relaxed.

The law passed and then Scott Walker was caught being paid a bribe in the amount of $700,000 from the owners of the mine. The legal issue is still in the courts.

Today, some 3 years later, the iron mine withdrew it's mine application.

Should Scott Walker feel obligated to repay the bribe ?

Are Christian politicians who take bribes obligated to pay tithes on bribes ??

Is it wrong for a pastor to accept dirty political money in the offering ?

whoiskaiser77 03-27-2015 04:26 PM

Re: Scott Walkers tithes dilema
 
Scott Walker doesn't seem so clean any more.

Rudy 03-27-2015 05:25 PM

Re: Scott Walkers tithes dilema
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1366145)
Soon after taking office, Governor Scott Walker shared the dream of a huge job creating iron mine near Lake Superior. In order to accommodate the iron mine, environmental laws had to be changed, meaning relaxed.

The law passed and then Scott Walker was caught being paid a bribe in the amount of $700,000 from the owners of the mine. The legal issue is still in the courts.

Today, some 3 years later, the iron mine withdrew it's mine application.

Should Scott Walker feel obligated to repay the bribe ?

Are Christian politicians who take bribes obligated to pay tithes on bribes ??

Is it wrong for a pastor to accept dirty political money in the offering ?

For me he is not required to tithe unless his church or org requires it of him to be a member.

n david 03-27-2015 06:03 PM

There was no $700,000 "bribe." Two separate judges have ruled on this, one state, one federal.

Again, since Scott doesn't seem to understand... There was no bribe.

Scott's got a vendetta against Walker because his state position may have become a bit less important.

One other thing.... There was no bribe.

Stop lying.

Originalist 03-27-2015 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1366162)
There was no $700,000 "bribe." Two separate judges have ruled on this, one state, one federal.

Again, since Scott doesn't seem to understand... There was no bribe.

Scott's got a vendetta against Walker because his state position may have become a bit less important.

One other thing.... There was no bribe.

Stop lying.

Exactly.

Scott Pitta 03-27-2015 07:55 PM

Re: Scott Walkers tithes dilema
 
Call the GAB, before it is "restructured by the governor, and ask them about it.

Sean 03-27-2015 08:04 PM

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Did Colonel Hogan start another rumor?...LOL

Carl 03-27-2015 08:19 PM

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I live in Wisconsin and I thought the story was that the state legislature voted the mine down. That is why the company withdrew their application. The law was supposed to expedite the process by making it take only 2 years to get the approvals rather than say 5 years. It had nothing to do with relaxing environmental standards.

Scott Pitta 03-28-2015 04:44 AM

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Act 1was the "updated" mining law. This was the law Walker championed and had passed. It was written by the mining company. About the same time it was passed, executives and their wives donated a total of $700,000 to Walkers political establishment. Since then, over 15 million in pro mining contributions have poured into Wisconsin.

The mine, despite having penned it's own rules, could not legally or functionally construct a mine at the site. With the relaxed environmental standards, it still could not construct a mine without being in violation.

The mine footprint covered 2 counties. Ashland County decided to not permit the mine to do business in their county. At the last Iron County board meeting, nearly half of the county board members were not pleased with the mine. When the mine first moved to Iron County, all the county board members were happy about the project.

The mine withdrew their mine application. No action to prompt this was taken by the legislature.

This mine created considerable civil unrest in Wisconsin. It taxed the credibility of the DNR. It threatened the largest body of fresh water in the western hemisphere with irreversible pollution.

The mine company interfered with local elections in Iron County. It galvanized a consortium of local groups to peacefully resist both the mine and Scott Walker. This resulted in masked, heavily armed guards being posted at the mine site. When the guard company was found out to not have license to do business in Wisconsin, they were forced to leave.

All in all, it was a win win outcome. We keep our clean land and water. Walker raised 15 million to finance his political ambitions.

Carl 03-28-2015 07:35 AM

Re: Scott Walkers tithes dilema
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1366195)
Act 1was the "updated" mining law. This was the law Walker championed and had passed. It was written by the mining company. About the same time it was passed, executives and their wives donated a total of $700,000 to Walkers political establishment. Since then, over 15 million in pro mining contributions have poured into Wisconsin.

The mine, despite having penned it's own rules, could not legally or functionally construct a mine at the site. With the relaxed environmental standards, it still could not construct a mine without being in violation.

The mine footprint covered 2 counties. Ashland County decided to not permit the mine to do business in their county. At the last Iron County board meeting, nearly half of the county board members were not pleased with the mine. When the mine first moved to Iron County, all the county board members were happy about the project.

The mine withdrew their mine application. No action to prompt this was taken by the legislature.

This mine created considerable civil unrest in Wisconsin. It taxed the credibility of the DNR. It threatened the largest body of fresh water in the western hemisphere with irreversible pollution.

The mine company interfered with local elections in Iron County. It galvanized a consortium of local groups to peacefully resist both the mine and Scott Walker. This resulted in masked, heavily armed guards being posted at the mine site. When the guard company was found out to not have license to do business in Wisconsin, they were forced to leave.

All in all, it was a win win outcome. We keep our clean land and water. Walker raised 15 million to finance his political ambitions.

Was there local support for the mine? We've heard of course the indian tribes objections to it.

Scott Pitta 03-28-2015 07:51 AM

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The taconite mine in Minnesota destroyed forever the wild rice beds downstream from the mine. The same would have happened here in Wisconsin. The entire watershed of the Bad River Reservation would have been polluted by the mine.

But the tribe does not stand alone. Conservationists rejected the mine. Sportsman rejected it as well. The locals is Ashland and Iron Counties rejected it in every poll.

When the public hearings were held, none were held in the Bad River Watershed. Instead, they were held in Hurley, Milwaukee and Praire Du Chien. Praire du Chien was chosen to discourage protestors from attending. I think it is a 12 hour drive for Ashland residents to attend that meeting for voicing their opinions.

Any governor who is willing to corrupt the first amendment to pass legislation cannot be trusted.

When I contacted my reps in Madison about the mine votes ( there were 3 laws changed) they had never been up north or hand any idea of the impact of the mine. Such ignorance was corrected. But my reps do as they are told and do not vote against the party.

Scott Pitta 03-28-2015 08:02 AM

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I asked Luther Olson this week about the budget . The proposed budget is written in the governor's office. But who writes it is not known. There are no minutes taken at budget meetings. The proposed budget is not signed by those who write it. The department secretaries are not included in drastic changes to their departments.

Apparently, open record laws do not apply to the governor's office.

Same on Walker and his shadow government !!! The Declaration of Independence was signed. But Walkers budget is not.


So the majority of locals were stuck having a mine forced on them despite their rejection of the entire project. Walkers indifference to the locals brought many different groups together to resist him.

There are a lot of happy people along Lake Superior this weekend. :)


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