Iran Deal A Good Deal!
 

Aren't you glad that our country was able to achieve some level of success in this endeavor?

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But the deal is far from done. The sides have been working on a substantive result for nearly two years. After a week of grueling negotiations, they managed on Thursday only to draw up a series of commitments that still must be worked out in detail before June 30. That is the deadline agreed on months before negotiators sat down in Lausanne for the final haggling.

If implemented, the undertakings will substantially pare back some Iranian nuclear assets for a decade and restrict others for an additional five years. It would be the first significant success for the United States and its partners in more than a decade of diplomatic efforts focusing on capping Tehran's nuclear advance.


http://news.yahoo.com/commitments-ma...-politics.html

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smh

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:bdayparty

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yup

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Yes, let's give the regime that chants "Death to America, Death to the Jews" nuclear technology. What could possibly go wrong?

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ya, they could maybe hold some accountable for their imperialist deeds? doubt it :lol

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Yes we achieved success in making total fools of ourselves.

Are you aware that the Iranians are mocking us saying that Obama is misleading the American people, that there is no deal and that they agreed to nothing?

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? really? it's all over press tv...

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This is not true.

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That's just it-- we're not giving them anything. They are fully capable of developing nukes on their own. However, through negotiations, we are now at a place where they have agreed to NOT develop nuclear weapons in exchange for other concessions like the lifting of economic sanctions.

It is important to note that a final deal has still not been reached but so much progress has been made! It really is a good thing for the country.

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Saying something is not true because it does not fir your narrative does not make it so.

http://freebeacon.com/national-secur...uke-agreement/

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Surely they'd never defy a treaty and develop weapons anyway. We can absolutely trust them. :rolleyes:

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What is the alternative? War?

JD, when France is the country wanting a tougher deal and telling the press that the US surrendered to Iran's demands..... It's a bad deal.

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:lol oh, you're gonna get war anyway. Follow out to its logical conclusion "minding your own business," if you will. It's all rhetoric, to keep us mesmerized. Smoke and mirrors, all of it. We could give Iran nukes today...they could not use them. They would be a smoking hole in the ground tomorrow. Your baseless fears are being played upon, while the atomic powers have "tested" over 2000 atomic weapons since 1945. This video is old now, and short by a couple hundred, but understand how the narrative has been framed for you, and why you discuss irrelevancies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P01lIvpZA8

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Ok. So now it is a bad deal because someone else said it was a bad deal. What is so bad about the deal?

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:lol ok

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Deal or no deal? At this point what is good about this deal? (no talking points, but actual deal points that are in fact good)

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I asked n david first, but if you like, you can respond with the skinny on what is so bad about this deal.

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...being as how he seems immune to a spiritual pov :heeheehee

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This thread was started with the claim that the deal was a good deal. I have yet to see anything other than the claim to substantiate it.

The one that supports the claim of the deal being good need show how it is in fact good.

I don't know for sure if it be good or not so good, but seems the French believe our negotiators on this deal got taken for a ride. Why? I'm unsure, but I would like to see why one thinks it be a good deal.

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i like it bc it appears that the sanctions--which only hurt the nation, and not the government--will be lifted. i dislike it bc it will become a lever for Rothschild intrusion into their bank, i bet.

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Did a little reading on if and or what the deal is or is not. Neither the USA or Iran even agree on what the "agreement" is. One (or both) sides are lying. In this particular deal, I trust neither side. If there is no agreement as to what the "deal" is, I would venture to say it is not a good deal.
All political differences aside, we cannot hope it is what "our side" may want and side with it just because.
The contradictions and disagreements between both sides make me think the deal is not a good deal.

We cannot think things are the way we wish they were.

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Although some important issues still need to be clarified in the final agreement, President Obama should be congratulated for getting a better-than-expected framework agreement restricting Iran's nuclear program.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ivan-e...usaolp00000592

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this is comedy to me; the world's largest arms dealers assuming the prerogative of dictating others' level of armament. I note that McDonnel Douglas or whomever feels the need to reassure their stockholders that there will still be plenty of strife to keep their sales up if the deal goes through.

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Jermyn, I think part of your liberalism problem, is trusting anything posted at the Huffing-and-Puffington Post. It's nothing but a liberal rag (emphasis on the rag).

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Former Israeli General Says Iran Deal‎ Isn't a Bad Agreement

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...-bad-agreement

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Current AFF "Heretic" Says Judging by the Fruit is the Only Righteous Judgement
http://i.imgur.com/0yojaV7.jpg

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The point of my post is that when France (who, btw, is one of the P5 negotiators) is wanting a tougher deal than the US is willing to take, something's not right.

Why it's a bad deal:
1) Allows Iran to continue processing uranium at one site -- an underground, bomb-proof site.
2) Doesn't give any details on when or how the sanctions will be lifted, nor if there is something the Iranians must do before they're lifted.
3) Doesn't allow inspections at any designated military facility.
4) It's based on Iran's word.

The last is key, because for years Iran claimed they weren't enriching uranium until a secret nuke facility was found --- Levizan-3, just outside of Tehran.

The obama administration is grasping for some kind of foreign policy victory, because thus far everything they've touched has turned into a dumpster fire. Yet, basing this agreement on a promise from the Iranians will cause another blunder and more foreign policy problems.

Your turn, JD. No just linking to liberal rags. Write out why you say it's a good deal.

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Problem with using meme's in a debate: they look official and authoritative, yet are mostly misleading or outright wrong.

Your meme is a prime example of one which is misleading, because it doesn't take into consideration the influence, arms shipments, IRG troop use, etc which Iran had used and is currently using in various countries. Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Gaza.

While Iran isn't acting overtly, it's still very much involved in trying to overthrow governments.

And several of those listed were either declared wars or an attempt to overthrow an evil government. While I don't believe the US should be a world policeman, it also shouldn't sit back and allow people to be brutally slaughtered as in most of those countries listed.

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all good points!

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...or at least, points worthy of consideration. The devil is in the details, it is said.

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Iran needs nuclear power because they have no other way or means to produce power.

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ya, not buying that one, wadr

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This is going to be just like Iraq. They will "AGREE" to the deal. Then, out of no where they will do something that disagrees with the deal, and we will go to war with them. War is what America and Israel want.

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I was going to post something like this. The comparisons to Iraq are there. Sanctions, then an agreement to remove sanctions. Wait a few years until UN inspectors get "kicked out" and the US declares Iran is stockpiling WMDs. :nod

The only part with which I disagree is the part claiming Israel wants war. I don't believe Israel wants war. They want to make sure Iran doesn't have nukes and may still bomb their facilities to stop it, but I don't think they want a full-scale war.

I do believe there are a lot of blood-thirsty warmongers here in the US who want war. They wanted Bush to attack Iran back in 2006/2007. McCain, Graham and other hawks in Congress would love for the US to attack Iran.