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oneinkhorn 04-04-2015 06:45 AM

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mfblume 04-04-2015 08:30 AM

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I don't believe Jesus died on Wed or Thurs. It was a Friday, The three days and three nights do not have to be each twenty four hours to count between death and resurrection. Part of a day is counted as a whole day in their culture. Jesus rose ON the third day not after.

FlamingZword 04-04-2015 09:00 PM

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Jesus said three days and three nights.

that means three whole days, no partial days.

We need to quit following the Catholic church timeline.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1367612)
Jesus said three days and three nights.

that means three whole days, no partial days.

We need to quit following the Catholic church timeline.

No, it's bible.

Luke 24:20-21 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. (21) But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.


Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Partial days counted as whole days in Hebrew culture.

FlamingZword 04-04-2015 11:07 PM

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For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

it was three full days, he was raised at the end of the third day.
which means that he probably was raised just before the end of the third day.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:07 PM

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That's why THIRD DAYS all through the bible show resurrection!

Genesis 1:11-13 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. (12) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (13) And the evening and the morning were the third day.

1 Samuel 5:4 And when they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him.

Joshua 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.

Esther 5:1 Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.

Exodus 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

good samaritan 04-04-2015 11:08 PM

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Where does the scripture give a Friday crucifixion.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1367637)
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

That is a common misunderstanding derived from that verse. Yes, Jesus said that, but partial days count as whole days in their culture as I proved with the verses I quoted.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:09 PM

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Where does the scripture give a Friday crucifixion.

I showed you in Luke 24. The day he arose was the THIRD DAY SINCE Jesus died, the two told Jesus.

good samaritan 04-04-2015 11:11 PM

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If the Jewish Friday began on what we consider to be Thursday night then I see how we can say Friday, but it would still be Thursday on our time. IMO.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:14 PM

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That's why FIRSTFRUITS is the THIRD DAY following Passover.

The firstfruits was on the 16th of the month while passover was the 14th. Jesus is firstfruits of resurrection.

Leviticus 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1367642)
If the Jewish Friday began on what we consider to be Thursday night then I see how we can say Friday, but it would still be Thursday on our time. IMO.

I used to think that way, but I studied it out and found evidence contrary to that thought. Firstfruits was the 16th. Passover was 14th. Jesus rose on firstfruits. Good Friday is not wrong after all.

good samaritan 04-04-2015 11:17 PM

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I agree that he arose on the third day, but that still does not support a good Friday.

Unless:

if Fri. began 6PM-6AM night 1
Fri. 6AM-6PM day 1 (24hrs)

Sat. 6PM-6AM night 2
Sat. 6AM-6PM day 2 (24hrs)

Sun 6PM-6AM night 3
Sun 6AM- (He arose the third day)

That still would be Thursday on our calendar.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword (Post 1367637)
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

it was three full days, he was raised at the end of the third day.
which means that he probably was raised just before the end of the third day.

Again, though, partial days are factually consider to be counted as full days in the bible. And we have to go by the firstfruits feast as well. I disagree it had to be three full days and nights.

It was close to the sabbath when he died so he would not hang on the cross during sabbath. The sabbath was the seventh day. And I disagree it was another sabbath aside from Saturday. the word never states that.

Adam was created the day Jesus died.... sixth day. And their culture allows for partial days to be counted as whole.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1367645)
I agree that he arose on the third day, but that still does not support a good Friday.

Unless:

if Fri. began 6PM-6AM night 1
Fri. 6AM-6PM day 1 (24hrs)

Sat. 6PM-6AM night 2
Sat. 6AM-6PM day 2 (24hrs)

Sun 6PM-6AM night 3
Sun 6AM- (He arose the third day)

That still would be Thursday on our calendar.

But again it does not have to be three full days and nights.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:22 PM

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John Gill explains it well.

on all occasions, as in the computation of their feasts and times of mourning, in the observance of the passover, circumcision, and divers purifications, that מקצת היום ככולו, "a part of a day is as the whole" (n): and so, whatever was done before sun setting, or after, if but an hour, or ever so small a time, before or after it, it was reckoned as the whole preceding, or following day; and whether this was in the night part, or day part of the night day, or natural day, it mattered not, it was accounted as the whole night day: by this rule, the case here is easily adjusted; Christ was laid in the grave towards the close of the sixth day, a little before sun setting, and this being a part of the night day preceding, is reckoned as the whole; he continued there the whole night day following, being the seventh day; and rose again early on the first day, which being after sun setting, though it might be even before sun rising, yet being a part of the night day following, is to be esteemed as the whole; and thus the son of man was to be, and was three days and three nights in the grave; and which was very easy to be understood by the Jews; and it is a question whether Jonas was longer in the belly of the fish.

((n) T. Hieros. Pesach. fol. 31. 2. T. Bab. Moed. Katon, fol. 16. 2. 17. 2. 19. 2. & 20. 2. Bechorot, fol. 20. 2. & 21. 1, Nidda, fol. 33. 1. Maimon. Hilch. Ebel, c. 7. sect. 1, 2, 3. Aben Ezra in Lev. xii. 3.)

good samaritan 04-04-2015 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1367647)
But again it does not have to be three full days and nights.

It isn't full days and full nights. I am not saying He died the first hour of the first day nor am I saying He rose at the very last hour of the third day. he would still have had to died Thursday to even get three partial days and partial night to be three.

good samaritan 04-04-2015 11:28 PM

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Could you give me a hypothetical timeline in your opinion, at your convenience? Not arguing just curious.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:30 PM

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It isn't full days and full nights. I am not saying He died the first hour of the first day nor am I saying He rose at the very last hour of the third day. he would still have had to died Thursday to even get three partial days and partial night to be three.

But that does not allow for the sabbath starting THAT sunset.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:31 PM

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Could you give me a hypothetical timeline in your opinion, at your convenience? Not arguing just curious.

Same as what is actually usually known. Died Friday at 3pm and resurrected while the sun was rising Sunday morning.

good samaritan 04-04-2015 11:35 PM

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If He had been buried after 12AM Friday that could count for a whole night. It would be probable that crucifixion occured on a Thursday even if that is the case.

good samaritan 04-04-2015 11:41 PM

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Friday 3PM till sunset 1day even though not full
sat sunset to sunup night 1
sat sunup to sunset day 2
Sun. sunset to sun up night 2
Sunday he arose day 3
Where is the third night? IMO the 3 days and 3 nights can be partial, but if this is the case there isn't even one night here at all. That isn't partial, but it is non exsistant.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1367653)
If He had been buried after 12AM Friday that could count for a whole night. It would be probable that crucifixion occured on a Thursday even if that is the case.

Well, check it out, anyway. Like I said, He died the day before sabbath. Good to talk even if we disasgree without combative spirits. Can't do that with everyone. lol

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1367654)
Friday 3PM till sunset 1day even though not full
sat sunset to sunup night 1
sat sunup to sunset day 2
Sun. sunset to sun up night 2
Sunday he arose day 3
Where is the third night? IMO the 3 days and 3 nights can be partial, but if this is the case there isn't even one night here at all. That isn't partial, but it is non exsistant.

I don't think there has to be even three partial nights. Like Gill said, the feasts of Israel show the principle.

good samaritan 04-04-2015 11:43 PM

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After sunset death Thursday is the only thing I can make sense of. That may have counted as Friday????

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1367657)
After sunset death Thursday is the only thing I can make sense of. That may have counted as Friday????

But Friday was not sabbath.

It has to be the day before sabbath. And the day is from sunset to sunset.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:47 PM

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Luke 23:53-54 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. (54) And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

good samaritan 04-04-2015 11:48 PM

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The three days and three night is still where I am hanging up.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:52 PM

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The three days and three night is still where I am hanging up.

I don't think Jesus meant for us to think so woodenly about three nights being required. I would go more by what the word said about sabbath drawing on after he died, and Luke 24 and the third day since Jesus died. Along with the feast of firstruits occurring the 16th when Passover was the 14th. That is more substantial.

good samaritan 04-04-2015 11:55 PM

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I'm with you on a Sunday resurrection.

mfblume 04-04-2015 11:58 PM

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I'm with you on a Sunday resurrection.

Actually I believe he arose the day after Sabbath, first day pf the week. ;) Firstfruits was the day after sabbath as well.

Leviticus 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Sabbath ended sundown on saturday. Jesus arose on the feast of firstfruits the morrow after sabbath.

good samaritan 04-05-2015 12:05 AM

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That is what I meant also. Sometimes when I think sabbath I think Sunday, but Sunday is actually the first day of the week, the day after Sabbath. Adventists have that right.

good samaritan 04-05-2015 12:07 AM

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Lord bless you Bro. Blume I hope you Have an awesome move of God today.

mfblume 04-05-2015 08:08 AM

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Lord bless you Bro. Blume I hope you Have an awesome move of God today.

Amen, and you, too!

Esaias 04-06-2015 02:14 AM

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He arose ON the third day. The 72hr theory has him arising on the FOURTH day.

The first day of the week is the third day, upon which he arose. To arise ON the third day, according to the 72hr view, he had to have arisen ON the sabbath, not the first day of the week. But he arose ON the third day, and it was ON the first day of the week.

A Thursday crucifixion with a 72hr requirement has the resurrection taking place AFTER sunset SUNDAY. Thurs night, Fri day, Fri night, sat day, sat night...oops, we need one more DAY IN THE TOMB to satisfy a 72hr requirement... which means he would have been resurrected AFTER sunset on Sunday... thus ON the fourth day, and not as the bible says on the THIRD day.

A wed crucifixion with a 72hr requirement does not fit the scripture, for it has him resurrecting on either the FOURTH day, or on the SABBATH.

A Thursday crucifixion with a 72hr requirement doesn't fit either, for then he is rising on the FOURTH day AND on the SECOND day of the week.

ANY theory that uses a 72hour requirement CANNOT fit the biblical data of him rising on the third day AND on the first day of the week.

Therefore, the 72hr theory is to be rejected.

Having dispensed with that, it remains to be seen if a Thursday, wednesday , or Friday crucifixion satisfies all the biblical data.

A Wednesday crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection has him rising the fourth day if you do not count the day he actually died, and if you include that day then he rose the fifth day. Not as the bible says "the third day".

A Thursday crucifixion gives us rising on the third day on Sunday IF you do not count the day he was crucified. If you do then he is rising on the fourth day not the third.

Luke 24:19-21 says the resurrection, on the first day of the week, was on the third day since his arrest, which according to a Thursday crucifixion theory would have been on Wednesday night the fourth day of the week. BUT the third day since Wednesday night would be the SABBATH, seventh day of the week. And thus impossible according to the bible data.

A Friday crucifixion is the only thing that satisfies the biblical data. Both the wed and thursd theories do not.

mfblume 04-06-2015 08:44 AM

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Right on, Esaias! I wondered what you thought.

Carl 04-06-2015 09:21 AM

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Great explanation on the three days! Thanks.

mfblume 04-06-2015 12:00 PM

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I believe a spiritual message is seen in the Friday to Sunday picture.

Friday is the sixth day of the week. It represents the day mankind was created in the old creation race of Adam. It's our beginnings, so to speak.

Sunday is the first day of the next week. The 8th day, so to speak. A NEW BEGINNING. That's why infants were circumcised the 87th day showing a spiritual message of new beginnings. A foreshadow of resurrection into newness of life.

So the first day of the week represents a new beginning for a new creation week. But in this new creation week, man is made first.

So, for Christ to die the sixth day and resurrect the first day of the next week, it shows God taking us back to the day of our beginnings in the failed race of Adam and causing us to DIE that very day in Him, and united to Him by death He transports us to the new beginning and we rise into newness of life as new creation!

shazeep 04-06-2015 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1367780)
He arose ON the third day. The 72hr theory has him arising on the FOURTH day.

The first day of the week is the third day, upon which he arose. To arise ON the third day, according to the 72hr view, he had to have arisen ON the sabbath, not the first day of the week. But he arose ON the third day, and it was ON the first day of the week.

A Thursday crucifixion with a 72hr requirement has the resurrection taking place AFTER sunset SUNDAY. Thurs night, Fri day, Fri night, sat day, sat night...oops, we need one more DAY IN THE TOMB to satisfy a 72hr requirement... which means he would have been resurrected AFTER sunset on Sunday... thus ON the fourth day, and not as the bible says on the THIRD day.

A wed crucifixion with a 72hr requirement does not fit the scripture, for it has him resurrecting on either the FOURTH day, or on the SABBATH.

A Thursday crucifixion with a 72hr requirement doesn't fit either, for then he is rising on the FOURTH day AND on the SECOND day of the week.

ANY theory that uses a 72hour requirement CANNOT fit the biblical data of him rising on the third day AND on the first day of the week.

Therefore, the 72hr theory is to be rejected.

Having dispensed with that, it remains to be seen if a Thursday, wednesday , or Friday crucifixion satisfies all the biblical data.

A Wednesday crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection has him rising the fourth day if you do not count the day he actually died, and if you include that day then he rose the fifth day. Not as the bible says "the third day".

A Thursday crucifixion gives us rising on the third day on Sunday IF you do not count the day he was crucified. If you do then he is rising on the fourth day not the third.

Luke 24:19-21 says the resurrection, on the first day of the week, was on the third day since his arrest, which according to a Thursday crucifixion theory would have been on Wednesday night the fourth day of the week. BUT the third day since Wednesday night would be the SABBATH, seventh day of the week. And thus impossible according to the bible data.

A Friday crucifixion is the only thing that satisfies the biblical data. Both the wed and thursd theories do not.

i think an understanding that Jews count from 1 and not 0 fixes most of this.

mfblume 04-06-2015 12:32 PM

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i think an understanding that Jews count from 1 and not 0 fixes most of this.

Ahhhhh!

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