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Nahum 06-11-2007 10:13 AM

Jealousy: The Worst Sin of All?
 
Is Jealousy the worst of all sins?

Consider the following:

1. Jealousy causes married folk to split up and run off with other people.
2. Jealousy causes people to steal.
3. Jealousy caused Cain to kill Abel.
4. Jealousy causes some to sow discord in the church - leading to church splits, backsliders, and unhealthy competition between pastors and saints.
5. Jealousy causes financial hardships. We take on too much debt in order to "keep up with the Jones'.

Solomon says, "Anger is cruel and fury overwhelming, but who can stand before jealousy?" (Proverbs 27:4). The Apostle Paul writes, "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry, and witchcraft, hatred, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, orgies and the like." (Galatians 5:19-21a) A list of sins from the proverbs of the prophet Solomon contains things that go hand in hand with jealousy. It says, "There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stir up dissension among brothers." (Proverbs 6:16-19)

In short, jealousy is the product of a person who feels they are superior to their fellow man, and to God. It is the pinnacle of self-centeredness.

Jealousy is what caused lucifer to declare "I will ascend".

Jealousy is the root cause of a host of other sins.

So, what do you think? Is jealousy the worst of all sins?

revrandy 06-11-2007 10:14 AM

I know your Jealous of my fishing abilities... :D

mizpeh 06-11-2007 10:16 AM

I'd go with Pride.

Do you want me to quote scripture? :girlpopcorn

Nahum 06-11-2007 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 149652)
I know your Jealous of my fishing abilities... :D

As if.:lol









Now respond to the post preacha!

Nahum 06-11-2007 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 149654)
I'd go with Pride.

Do you want me to quote scripture? :girlpopcorn


Sure, why not? BTW, aren't pride and jealousy like twins? They sure look and act a lot alike.

Chan 06-11-2007 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149650)
Is Jealousy the worst of all sins?

Consider the following:

1. Jealousy causes married folk to split up and run off with other people.
2. Jealousy causes people to steal.
3. Jealousy caused Cain to kill Abel.
4. Jealousy causes some to sow discord in the church - leading to church splits, backsliders, and unhealthy competition between pastors and saints.
5. Jealousy causes financial hardships. We take on too much debt in order to "keep up with the Jones'.

Solomon says, "Anger is cruel and fury overwhelming, but who can stand before jealousy?" (Proverbs 27:4). The Apostle Paul writes, "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry, and witchcraft, hatred, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, orgies and the like." (Galatians 5:19-21a) A list of sins from the proverbs of the prophet Solomon contains things that go hand in hand with jealousy. It says, "There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stir up dissension among brothers." (Proverbs 6:16-19)

In short, jealousy is the product of a person who feels they are superior to their fellow man, and to God. It is the pinnacle of self-centeredness.

Jealousy is what caused lucifer to declare "I will ascend".

Jealousy is the root cause of a host of other sins.

So, what do you think? Is jealousy the worst of all sins?

No, the worst of all sins is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is the only sin that God will not forgive. All other sins are equally sinful and bring the same eternity in the lake of fire for those who don't repent and the same forgiveness for those who do repent. This ungodly notion of categorizing sins, making some out to be worse than others, comes from the Roman Catholic heresy of mortal and venial sins.

Nahum 06-11-2007 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chan (Post 149665)
No, the worst of all sins is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is the only sin that God will not forgive. All other sins are equally sinful and bring the same eternity in the lake of fire for those who don't repent and the same forgiveness for those who do repent. This ungodly notion of categorizing sins, making some out to be worse than others, comes from the Roman Catholic heresy of mortal and venial sins.


Thank you for this kind and thoughtful response. :lol


So Chan, you seriously don't think some sins are worse than others? Give me scripture that proves it please? Why are some things listed as abominations, and other sins are not?

Neck 06-11-2007 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149650)
Is Jealousy the worst of all sins?

Consider the following:

1. Jealousy causes married folk to split up and run off with other people.
2. Jealousy causes people to steal.
3. Jealousy caused Cain to kill Abel.
4. Jealousy causes some to sow discord in the church - leading to church splits, backsliders, and unhealthy competition between pastors and saints.
5. Jealousy causes financial hardships. We take on too much debt in order to "keep up with the Jones'.

Solomon says, "Anger is cruel and fury overwhelming, but who can stand before jealousy?" (Proverbs 27:4). The Apostle Paul writes, "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry, and witchcraft, hatred, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, orgies and the like." (Galatians 5:19-21a) A list of sins from the proverbs of the prophet Solomon contains things that go hand in hand with jealousy. It says, "There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stir up dissension among brothers." (Proverbs 6:16-19)

In short, jealousy is the product of a person who feels they are superior to their fellow man, and to God. It is the pinnacle of self-centeredness.

Jealousy is what caused lucifer to declare "I will ascend".

Jealousy is the root cause of a host of other sins.

So, what do you think? Is jealousy the worst of all sins?

Sometimes it is fear that hinders some folks from allowing other folks to move forward in the ministry.

It is not a Jealous thought in the mind of the person being held back.

We preach and teach and talk about Jealousy.

I think it is high time someone were to preach and teach on how not to cause folks to bring forth that fealing in folks.....

revrandy 06-11-2007 10:45 AM

I think that Pride could be a birthing place for jealosy...

mizpeh 06-11-2007 10:46 AM

Pr 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
Pr 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

I like PEACE, so the first verse is my favorite.

Nahum 06-11-2007 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Neckstadt (Post 149686)
Sometimes it is fear that hinders some folks from allowing other folks to move forward in the ministry.

It is not a Jealous thought in the mind of the person being held back.

We preach and teach and talk about Jealousy.

I think it is high time someone were to preach and teach on how not to cause folks to bring forth that fealing in folks.....


But wouldn't that fear that hinders be birthed from jealousy?
ie a minister having a Saul complex toward a potential David?

SDG 06-11-2007 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 149695)
Pr 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
Pr 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

I like PEACE, so the first verse is my favorite.

I submit that jealousy is a symptom of pride ... We often associate pride with just arrogance ... However pride is a FOCUS ON SELF ... and it displays itself in ways we don't often associate with pride/self-focus.

A person who hates their self ... suffering from an inferiority complex ... and is willing to take their life ... is as proud as the Pharisee who believes their spirituality and works outshine us all ... the FOCUS IS STILL THE SAME ... SELF.

Those who struggle w/ jealousy and coveting also have pride issues. The focus is on self when they wish they could have what is not theirs, want someone for their self, etc.

Nahum 06-11-2007 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 149695)
Pr 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
Pr 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

I like PEACE, so the first verse is my favorite.

Good point.

As you can kinda tell, I don't like being wrong. :sly

But, the older I get, the more I realize that sometimes the spoil of victory is not worth the battle scars. Contention really is a pride issue.

But isn't pride related to jealousy?

RevDWW 06-11-2007 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149659)
Sure, why not? BTW, aren't pride and jealousy like twins? They sure look and act a lot alike.

I don't know about twins, but they are blood related......:sly

Pride and Idolatry would be twins.............so would be
Stubbornness and Witchcraft......IMHO

revrandy 06-11-2007 11:24 AM

Pride is something that can't be hidden that well.....

Jealosy can...

It can be a seething, festering cauldron hidden underneath the surface...

I do think at times it can boil over..but folks can hide it well...

Pride is much more visible... imo...

Nahum 06-11-2007 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 149711)
I submit that jealousy is a symptom of pride ... We often associate pride with just arrogance ... However pride is a FOCUS ON SELF ... and it displays itself in ways we don't often associate with pride/self-focus.

A person who hates their self ... suffering from an inferiority complex ... and is willing to take their life ... is as proud as the Pharisee who believe their spirituality and works outshine us all ... the FOCUS IS STILL THE SAME ... SELF.

Those who struggle w/ jealousy and coveting also have pride issues. The focus is on self when they wish they could have what is not theirs, want someone for their self, etc.

Excellent post, Danielson!

The biggest fears in humans are death, which is totally a survival instinct, and public speaking, which is totally a pride issue. We want people to view us as "together". Public speaking often demonstrates that we are not.

I have always said that shyness is a fruit of pride and jealousy.

revrandy 06-11-2007 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149725)
Excellent post, Danielson!

The biggest fears in humans are death, which is totally a survival instinct, and public speaking, which is totally a pride issue. We want people to view us as "together". Public speaking often demonstrates that we are not.

I have always said that shyness is a fruit of pride and jealousy.

Some folks just don't have the personality others do.... Before I label them I would at least like to know them..

RevDWW 06-11-2007 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149725)
Excellent post, Danielson!

The biggest fears in humans are death, which is totally a survival instinct, and public speaking, which is totally a pride issue. We want people to view us as "together". Public speaking often demonstrates that we are not.

I have always said that shyness is a fruit of pride and jealousy.

Does labeling people come from a pridfilled heart????? :killinme

revrandy 06-11-2007 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 149729)
Does labeling people come from a pridfilled heart????? :killinme

Smarmy!!!! :D

SDG 06-11-2007 11:31 AM

In most cases, "Shyness" can be attributed ... to temperament ...which is God-given ... but some use it as a rouse to cover their selves ...

I also think jealousy is probably one the most dangerous expressions of pride. One only has to look at the amount of women murdered in this country because of jealousy to see it's heinous power over man's heart.

Nahum 06-11-2007 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149725)
Excellent post, Danielson!

The biggest fears in humans are death, which is totally a survival instinct, and public speaking, which is totally a pride issue. We want people to view us as "together". Public speaking often demonstrates that we are not.

I have always said that shyness is a fruit of pride and jealousy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 149728)
Some folks just don't have the personality others do.... Before I label them I would at least like to know them..

No, there is a difference in being quiet (like me) and being super shy. Normally super-shyness stems from abuse or a simple refusal to be part of society. The latter is a symnptom of pride IMO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 149729)
Does labeling people come from a pridefilled heart????? :killinme

Dude, if you only knew. I have absolutely no reason to have any personal pride.

revrandy 06-11-2007 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149739)
No, there is a difference in being quiet (like me) and being super shy. Normally super-shyness stems from abuse or a simple refusal to be part of society. the latter is a symnptom of pride IMO.



Dude, if you only knew. I have absolutely no reason to have any personal pride.

Everything is beautiful in it's way!!!! :killinme:killinme

SDG 06-11-2007 11:41 AM

Everyone deals with certain forms of pride .. .the Apostle Paul calls it godlessness.

Whether it's in the form hedonism, self-indulgence, feelings of inadequacy/inferiority, judgementalism, self-righteousness, religiosity ... etc ....

Jesus' macro view of the law gives as a clue to God's design for it .... the first commandment is to love God first ... w/ all all our heart, mind, soul, energy ... and to love our neighbor as we love ourselves ....

You see, God knows that in our godlessness, we put ourselves first in so many things we battle and struggle with. When we put Him and others first ... we turn to God and away from ourselves.

Ronzo 06-11-2007 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 149711)
I submit that jealousy is a symptom of pride ... We often associate pride with just arrogance ... However pride is a FOCUS ON SELF ... and it displays itself in ways we don't often associate with pride/self-focus.

A person who hates their self ... suffering from an inferiority complex ... and is willing to take their life ... is as proud as the Pharisee who believes their spirituality and works outshine us all ... the FOCUS IS STILL THE SAME ... SELF.

Those who struggle w/ jealousy and coveting also have pride issues. The focus is on self when they wish they could have what is not theirs, want someone for their self, etc.

Excellent

Digging4Truth 06-11-2007 11:44 AM

The worst sin of all is....

The one that has any rule in my life.

berkeley 06-11-2007 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149725)

I have always said that shyness is a fruit of pride and jealousy.

Unbelievable!!!

Nahum 06-11-2007 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 149757)
Unbelievable!!!

Really Berk? How so?

I didn't think it was an outrageous statement when I posted it.

Maybe I'm missing something.

berkeley 06-11-2007 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149758)
Really Berk? How so?

I didn't think it was an outrageous statement when I posted it.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Sorry, guess I missed this:

Quote:

No, there is a difference in being quiet (like me) and being super shy. Normally super-shyness stems from abuse or a simple refusal to be part of society. The latter is a symnptom of pride IMO.

SDG 06-11-2007 12:01 PM

1If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose.

3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.


5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Nahum 06-11-2007 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149650)
Is Jealousy the worst of all sins?

Consider the following:

1. Jealousy causes married folk to split up and run off with other people.
2. Jealousy causes people to steal.
3. Jealousy caused Cain to kill Abel.
4. Jealousy causes some to sow discord in the church - leading to church splits, backsliders, and unhealthy competition between pastors and saints.
5. Jealousy causes financial hardships. We take on too much debt in order to "keep up with the Jones'.

Solomon says, "Anger is cruel and fury overwhelming, but who can stand before jealousy?" (Proverbs 27:4). The Apostle Paul writes, "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry, and witchcraft, hatred, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, orgies and the like." (Galatians 5:19-21a) A list of sins from the proverbs of the prophet Solomon contains things that go hand in hand with jealousy. It says, "There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stir up dissension among brothers." (Proverbs 6:16-19)

In short, jealousy is the product of a person who feels they are superior to their fellow man, and to God. It is the pinnacle of self-centeredness.

Jealousy is what caused lucifer to declare "I will ascend".

Jealousy is the root cause of a host of other sins.

So, what do you think? Is jealousy the worst of all sins?

Back on track.

RevDWW 06-11-2007 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149739)
Dude, if you only knew. I have absolutely no reason to have any personal pride.

No offence meant, but if you were offended then does that come from a pride filled heart? :killinme:killinme:killinme










I'm just yanking your chain.

In all seriousness: Your statement above might fit you but it certainly does fit me!!!! I am nothing in and of myself. Oh wretched man that I am..........

revrandy 06-11-2007 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 149776)
No offence meant, but if you were offended then does that come from a pride filled heart? :killinme:killinme:killinme

I'm just yanking your chain.

In all seriousness: Your statement above might fit you but it certainly does fit me!!!! I am nothing in and of myself. Oh wretched man that I am..........


Braggin' bout' your Wretchedness again I see!!!!










:D

Chan 06-11-2007 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 149670)
Thank you for this kind and thoughtful response. :lol


So Chan, you seriously don't think some sins are worse than others? Give me scripture that proves it please? Why are some things listed as abominations, and other sins are not?

Abominations like lying (which most people - including some here - consider to be one of the lesser sins) or using inaccurate weights and measures? The scriptural proof is in the passages that state such things as "those whose names were not written in the Lamb's book of life were cast into the lake of fire" and those lists in the New Testament of sinners that won't inherit the kingdom of God (if you put the various lists together, you have all sinners).

OP_Carl 06-11-2007 01:38 PM

Quote:

So, what do you think? Is jealousy the worst of all sins?
Goodness gracious no!

The worst of all sins is sitting in MY pew! After all, I've spent forty-five years crafting this pew to fit my <ahem> contours!

mizpeh 06-11-2007 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chan (Post 149665)
No, the worst of all sins is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is the only sin that God will not forgive. All other sins are equally sinful and bring the same eternity in the lake of fire for those who don't repent and the same forgiveness for those who do repent. This ungodly notion of categorizing sins, making some out to be worse than others, comes from the Roman Catholic heresy of mortal and venial sins.

Chan,

You're right on this one, but if you could pick a sin which one in your opinion do you think is the worst?

RevDWW 06-11-2007 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 149850)
Braggin' bout' your Wretchedness again I see!!!!










:D

It's the only thing I have to brag about.........:sshhh

Chan 06-12-2007 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 150018)
Chan,

You're right on this one, but if you could pick a sin which one in your opinion do you think is the worst?

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Subdued 06-12-2007 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan (Post 151600)
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Then what?

RevDWW 06-12-2007 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subdued (Post 151616)
Then what?

What are you looking for , a rank sinner or a sin ranker???? :lol

Ronzo 06-12-2007 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 151628)
What are you looking for , a rank sinner or a sin ranker???? :lol

There's a difference?


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