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Originalist 05-05-2015 07:50 PM

Racist Facts
 
by Paul Joseph Watson | May 5, 2015


Despite the revelation that half of the officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray – the incident that led to the Baltimore riots – are black, the narrative that black people are being disproportionately and unfairly targeted by predominantly white police officers and a racist criminal justice system in the United States continues to dominate.

This has led to the growth of a divisive movement – ‘Black Lives Matter’ – which has only served to further polarize America down racial lines, obsessing on skin color and invoking white guilt, while ignoring the true causes of and solutions to police brutality.

Until the following facts become part of the conversation, we’re never going to see a real reduction in the number of violent confrontations involving black people and police officers. But the mainstream media, political leaders and white people in general are afraid to even mention these facts for fear of being labeled racist.

I’m not here to win any popularity contests. I genuinely care about less black people and less police officers dying in the streets. So I’m going to give it to you straight.

Black people in the United States are more likely to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites because they commit more violent crimes than whites per capita.

– FACT: Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, blacks committed 52% of homicides, compared to 45% of homicides committed by whites.

More up to date FBI statistics tell a similar story. In 2013, black criminals carried out 38% of murders, compared to 31.1% for whites, again despite the fact that there are five times more white people in the U.S.

– FACT: From 2011 to 2013, 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. This figure is three times higher than the 13% black population figure. When you account for the fact that black males aged 15-34, who account for around 3% of the population, are responsible for the vast majority of these crimes, the figures are even more staggering.

– FACT: Despite the fact that black people commit an equal or greater number of violent crimes than whites, whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers.

According to data from the Centers for Disease Control, between 1999 and 2011, 2,151 whites died as a result of being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.

Critics argue that black people are overrepresented in these figures because they only represent 13% of the population, but they are underrepresented if you factor in violent crime offenders. In other words, you would expect the number of blacks and whites killed by police to be roughly equal given that they commit a roughly equal number of violent crimes, but that’s not the case. Whites are nearly 100% more likely to be victims.

And what about black on white violence in general?

– FACT: Despite being outnumbered by whites five to one, blacks commit eight times more crimes against whites than vice-versa, according to FBI statistics from 2007. A black male is 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse. These figures also show that interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white.

“Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their widely cited 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.”

It’s clear that the greater propensity for black people to commit violent crimes is a driving factor as to why blacks are becoming involved in more violent confrontations with police than their 13% population figure suggests they should be. If the 911 calls are coming from black areas and are related to black people committing violent crimes, then of course black people are more likely to be involved in violent confrontations with cops.

Does that justify police brutality in cases such as Freddie Gray, Walter Scott or Eric Garner? No. But it does demolish the ‘Black Lives Matter’ narrative that the general trend of black people being victims of violent encounters with police is solely down to the fact that cops are racist towards black people. Racism is a factor, but the statistics clearly show that it’s by no means the only factor, and some would argue not even the dominant factor.

But aren’t all these statistics undermined by the fact that black people are unfairly targeted and framed for crimes by police officers in the first place? Don’t higher arrest and conviction rates of blacks merely prove that police are racist? This argument is debunked by looking at the proportion of offenders identified – not by police – but by victims – as black. The National Crime Victimization Survey shows that the number of blacks arrested generally correlates with the number of offenders identified as black by victims.

Studies suggest that the reasons behind blacks being more likely to commit violent crimes are the dual issues of poverty (which exacerbates family breakdown) and a sub-culture amongst the black community that is tolerant of and glamorizes crime and violence. In the aftermath of the Ferguson and Baltimore riots, we saw the white metropolitan liberal media further legitimize this violence by openly justifying and even endorsing violent unrest that targeted mainly black-owned businesses.

This is true racism – by encouraging blacks to loot and riot, the white liberal media is helping to keep black communities in a cycle of destructive behavior that will lead to more police brutality targeted against black people.

Police brutality is a huge problem within the United States, and anyone that denies that fact is a part of the problem. But until we acknowledge and address the equally important issue of violent criminality within the black community, and until that becomes part of the national conversation, the issue is never going to be resolved.

And by failing to make these facts part of the conversation, black political leaders, protest organizers, and the white liberal media is complicit in perpetuating the chain reaction of violence that makes more police brutality against black people an inevitable outcome.

Jito463 05-05-2015 09:58 PM

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Good points, but facts don't matter to the left. Emotions and talking points are all they care about.

Pressing-On 05-06-2015 08:31 AM

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Great article by Thomas Sowell.

The Inconvenient Truth about Ghetto Communities’ Social Breakdown

We are told that such riots are a result of black poverty and white racism. But in fact — for those who still have some respect for facts — black poverty was far worse, and white racism was far worse, prior to 1960. But violent crime within black ghettos was far less.

Murder rates among black males were going down — repeat, down — during the much-lamented 1950s, while it went up after the much celebrated 1960s, reaching levels more than double what they had been before. Most black children were raised in two-parent families prior to the 1960s. But today the great majority of black children are raised in one-parent families.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-thomas-sowell

jfrog 05-06-2015 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1372732)
Great article by Thomas Sowell.

The Inconvenient Truth about Ghetto Communities’ Social Breakdown

We are told that such riots are a result of black poverty and white racism. But in fact — for those who still have some respect for facts — black poverty was far worse, and white racism was far worse, prior to 1960. But violent crime within black ghettos was far less.

Murder rates among black males were going down — repeat, down — during the much-lamented 1950s, while it went up after the much celebrated 1960s, reaching levels more than double what they had been before. Most black children were raised in two-parent families prior to the 1960s. But today the great majority of black children are raised in one-parent families.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-thomas-sowell

I sense an agenda there. Considering how notable the decline of the two parent family has become since 1960 across all races, it seems a little shortsighted to pick that fact to make any point relative to the discussion of crime, poverty and racism.

Pressing-On 05-06-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1372746)
I sense an agenda there. Considering how notable the decline of the two parent family has become since 1960 across all races, it seems a little shortsighted to pick that fact to make any point relative to the discussion of crime, poverty and racism.

You have to read the whole article. Thomas Sowell goes on to say, rightly, "You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization — including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility, and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain — without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large."

Originalist 05-06-2015 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1372749)
You have to read the whole article. Thomas Sowell goes on to say, rightly, "You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization — including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility, and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain — without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large."

Thomas Sowell is black.

Pressing-On 05-06-2015 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1372756)
Thomas Sowell is black.

What does that have to do with his Conservative viewpoints, which are always spot on?

aegsm76 05-06-2015 03:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1372746)
I sense an agenda there. Considering how notable the decline of the two parent family has become since 1960 across all races, it seems a little shortsighted to pick that fact to make any point relative to the discussion of crime, poverty and racism.

JF - speaking of agenda's...
You seem quick to attempt to point out what you perceive as racism, these days.

Originalist 05-06-2015 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1372772)
What does that have to do with his Conservative viewpoints, which are always spot on?

Nothing at all. I just pointed it out so those thinking their is some sort of "racist agenda" will feel foolish. I see now why these are called "racist facts".

Pressing-On 05-06-2015 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1372778)
Nothing at all. I just pointed it out so those thinking their is some sort of "racist agenda" will feel foolish. I see now why these are called "racist facts".

Oh, okay. I didn't think you were doing a 180 on me, but I thought I'd check. It's AFF after all. LOL!

Praxeas 05-06-2015 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1372774)
JF - speaking of agenda's...
You seem quick to attempt to point out what you perceive as racism, these days.

I haven't noticed

jfrog 05-06-2015 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1372756)
Thomas Sowell is black.

Black people can't have agendas?

jfrog 05-06-2015 11:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1372774)
JF - speaking of agenda's...
You seem quick to attempt to point out what you perceive as racism, these days.

Yea, try to attack me instead of saying:

you know, frog is right. That guy probably should have left anything at all to do with single parent black families from now vs 1960 out of the article. When actually giving his article any thought more than a quick skim it actually weakens his position instead of strengthens it.

jfrog 05-06-2015 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1372792)
I haven't noticed

Thank you, I haven't either.

Praxeas 05-07-2015 12:51 AM

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I would say just about everyone has an agenda...that does not mean whatever they write or say is wrong though.

Originalist 05-07-2015 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1372803)
Black people can't have agendas?

Maybe Sowell's agenda is to liberate his people from the liberal white man's plantation.

jfrog 05-07-2015 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1372817)
Maybe Sowell's agenda is to liberate his people from the liberal white man's plantation.

Maybe. I'd think he wouldn't need to resort to fact spinning the decline of the two parent unit as an observation in support of his view that poverty and racism have nothing to do with that is going on.

jfrog 05-07-2015 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1372811)
I would say just about everyone has an agenda...that does not mean whatever they write or say is wrong though.

No, but blatant fact spinning does weaken ones position and undermines the rest of what you write.

Pressing-On 05-07-2015 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1372820)
Maybe. I'd think he wouldn't need to resort to fact spinning the decline of the two parent unit as an observation in support of his view that poverty and racism have nothing to do with that is going on.

Are you trying to say that you don't agree with statistics saying that single mothers are more likely to live in poverty? He is hitting the root of the problem as statistics say that 82% of children in married families are less likely to live in poverty.

aegsm76 05-07-2015 08:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1372820)
Maybe. I'd think he wouldn't need to resort to fact spinning the decline of the two parent unit as an observation in support of his view that poverty and racism have nothing to do with that is going on.

The number one statistically significant link to poverty is the single parent household.
link
http://www.brookings.edu/research/te...milies-haskins

snippet

"Family Composition

In 2009, the poverty rate for children in married-couple families was 11.0 percent. By contrast, the poverty rate for children in female-headed families was 44.3 percent. [7] The difference between these two poverty rates is a specter haunting American social policy because the percentage of American children who live in female-headed families has been increasing relentlessly for over five decades. In 1950, 6.3 percent of families with children were headed by a single mother. By 2010, 23.9 percent of families with children had single-mother heads. [8] That a higher and higher fraction of children live in the family type in which they are about four times as likely to be poor exerts strong upward pressure on the poverty rate. One way to think of the shift to female-headed families is that even if government policy were successful in moving people out of poverty, the large changes in family composition serve to offset at least part of the progress that otherwise would be made. In fact, a Brookings analysis shows that if we had the marriage rate we had in 1970, the poverty rate would fall by more than 25 percent. [9]

Originalist 05-07-2015 11:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1372820)
Maybe. I'd think he wouldn't need to resort to fact spinning the decline of the two parent unit as an observation in support of his view that poverty and racism have nothing to do with that is going on.

I think he is smarter than you.

Fionn mac Cumh 05-07-2015 01:53 PM

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Again, are this actions or reactions? I am not justifying anything. But there several factors in play here.

Praxeas 05-07-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1372821)
No, but blatant fact spinning does weaken ones position and undermines the rest of what you write.

Then let's stick with proving someone is distorting facts

jfrog 05-08-2015 08:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1372953)
Then let's stick with proving someone is distorting facts

So let's look at all income levels in 1960? Were families more likely to stay together in 1960 than today regardless of income level, yes? The answer is yes. Keep this in mind for later.

The best way to show that poverty and single parent families are linked is to look at a specific time. So let's look at currently. I'm sure I can go dig up the numbers but we all know what they will say. The facts say that it's significantly more like that those who live in poverty also have only a single parent family.

Now if one wanted to make the case that single parent families and poverty were not linked you would choose a different time period like 1960. You would then go about showing that there was no link in 1960 between single parent families and poverty.

However, that's not what the guy who wrote PO's article did. He instead tries to compare single parent families and the poverty level in 1960 with the same today. He comes away with this fact:

that poverty was worse in 1960 than it is today and single parent families were less than today.

So what if poverty in 1960 was linked with less single family homes than it is today? The real question is, in 1960 was poverty also linked with more single family homes? And the answer to that question is yes.

Now remember as well that we already discussed how families of all income levels were more likely to stay together in 1960.

So now we have 2 facts. Poverty in 1960 is linked with single family households. Families of all income levels were more likely to stay together in 1960 than today. Combining those 2 facts we get the true story:

Poverty was linked with single family households in 1960 as well, however because families as a whole were more likely to stay together regardless of income then it's apparent that there would be more 2 parent households in 1960 than today just because parents of all income levels were more likely to stay together.

Thus, you can have poverty and single family households linked and still have more single parent families today than you did at a more impoverished time in 1960.

End of proof.

So ultimately the guy was just plain wrong to include the fact he cited in support of his position.

Fionn mac Cumh 05-08-2015 08:28 AM

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Again, are this actions or reactions? I am not justifying anything. But there several factors in play here.

jfrog 05-08-2015 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1373027)
Again, are this actions or reactions? I am not justifying anything. But there several factors in play here.

There's no study I'm aware of that can tell cause from effect. That is unless you want to do actual human experiments to show which is which?

Fionn mac Cumh 05-08-2015 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1373029)
There's no study I'm aware of that can tell cause from effect. That is unless you want to do actual human experiments to show which is which?

Well its not hard to figure out. Look at the unemployment rates in these areas. We need to get people of all color back to work. Idle hands are the devils workshop. Many of these criminals of all color come from horrible family situations. Many of the people have no education. Education needs to be stressed. Also, we have a history of racism in this country. You cant ignore the facts.

jfrog 05-08-2015 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1373038)
Well its not hard to figure out. Look at the unemployment rates in these areas. We need to get people of all color back to work. Idle hands are the devils workshop. Many of these criminals of all color come from horrible family situations. Many of the people have no education. Education needs to be stressed. Also, we have a history of racism in this country. You cant ignore the facts.

It's not hard to figure out whether poverty causes single parent homes or whether single family homes cause poverty or whether they cause each other or whether something else causes them both?

aegsm76 05-11-2015 03:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1373038)
Well its not hard to figure out. Look at the unemployment rates in these areas. We need to get people of all color back to work. Idle hands are the devils workshop. Many of these criminals of all color come from horrible family situations. Many of the people have no education. Education needs to be stressed. Also, we have a history of racism in this country. You cant ignore the facts.

Show me a country that does not have a history of racism.

aegsm76 05-11-2015 04:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1373026)
So let's look at all income levels in 1960? Were families more likely to stay together in 1960 than today regardless of income level, yes? The answer is yes. Keep this in mind for later.

The best way to show that poverty and single parent families are linked is to look at a specific time. So let's look at currently. I'm sure I can go dig up the numbers but we all know what they will say. The facts say that it's significantly more like that those who live in poverty also have only a single parent family.

Now if one wanted to make the case that single parent families and poverty were not linked you would choose a different time period like 1960. You would then go about showing that there was no link in 1960 between single parent families and poverty.

However, that's not what the guy who wrote PO's article did. He instead tries to compare single parent families and the poverty level in 1960 with the same today. He comes away with this fact:

that poverty was worse in 1960 than it is today and single parent families were less than today.

So what if poverty in 1960 was linked with less single family homes than it is today? The real question is, in 1960 was poverty also linked with more single family homes? And the answer to that question is yes.

Now remember as well that we already discussed how families of all income levels were more likely to stay together in 1960.

So now we have 2 facts. Poverty in 1960 is linked with single family households. Families of all income levels were more likely to stay together in 1960 than today. Combining those 2 facts we get the true story:

Poverty was linked with single family households in 1960 as well, however because families as a whole were more likely to stay together regardless of income then it's apparent that there would be more 2 parent households in 1960 than today just because parents of all income levels were more likely to stay together.

Thus, you can have poverty and single family households linked and still have more single parent families today than you did at a more impoverished time in 1960.

End of proof.

So ultimately the guy was just plain wrong to include the fact he cited in support of his position.

JF - I think you are missing his main point.

"The “legacy of slavery” argument is not just an excuse for inexcusable behavior in the ghettos. In a larger sense, it is an evasion of responsibility for the disastrous consequences of the prevailing social vision of our times, and the political policies based on that vision, over the past half century."

He is saying that the welfare state has failed.

jfrog 05-16-2015 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1373481)
JF - I think you are missing his main point.

"The “legacy of slavery” argument is not just an excuse for inexcusable behavior in the ghettos. In a larger sense, it is an evasion of responsibility for the disastrous consequences of the prevailing social vision of our times, and the political policies based on that vision, over the past half century."

He is saying that the welfare state has failed.

Apparently you are missing my main point. One of the facts that he used to support his position doesn't actually support his position. That's a big problem when he is being declared as an intelligent "black man that gets it".

When you see facts like the one I pointed out being used to prove his main point, it actually does greater damage to his main point because at this point any reasonable person is looking at the rest of his facts and thinking that since this fact didn't support his main point when he claimed it did, then maybe the rest don't support his main point either. Ultimately my point is that this leads me to believe his facts are just more conservative propganda that mostly do not support what he claims they support.

You can have all the facts in the words, but if you mistakenly or purposefully try to claim they support an idea that they don't actually support then there's a problem.


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