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I've seen that article before, it is indeed very interesting. No amount of facts will ever stand in the way of the left's penchant for societies destruction, however.
There's a provable link between abortion and breast cancer, but that debate and it's subsequent facts were shut down years ago.
God will sort this all out one day and many will be shocked at the result, but not as many as supposed.
I believe mankind knows in the deepest part of their spirit, that what God considers an abomination to be wrong behaviors indeed.

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:thumbsup This article brings to light the fact of what happens when the gay agenda has been accepted as the norm. I am glad that this woman is speaking up about being raised in a gay home, and how that has affected her life.

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Totally agree.

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Me too. It is hard to know if you haven't been there!

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This is already happening in America. But, to her point, it would certainly ramp up if the Supreme Court rules against our current definition of marriage.

"In Canada, freedoms of speech, press, religion, and association have suffered greatly due to government pressure. The debate over same-sex marriage that is taking place in the United States could not legally exist in Canada today. Because of legal restrictions on speech, if you say or write anything considered “homophobic” (including, by definition, anything questioning same-sex marriage), you could face discipline, termination of employment, or prosecution by the government."

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I've said before that "hate" crimes bills will eventually be what takes away our First Amendment freedoms. It will end up like Ben Carson called for when he wrote, "If my right to free speech causes you actual harm, it becomes time to curtail my speech." And religious institutions, churches and clergy will not be exempted. They'll claim they're suffering harm from religious beliefs. Like Hillary Clinton demanded, religious beliefs will have to be changed or else face fines or worse.

It's coming.

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Great point!

"In effect, same-sex marriage not only deprives children of their own rights to natural parentage, it gives the state the power to override the autonomy of biological parents, which means parental rights are usurped by the government."

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"It takes a village..." This is why the government would love this to pass. That's its end game.

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One thing to note, IMO, is that Canada has government dominated healthcare. That takes, in itself, major control over an individual's life before your freedom of speech, which was this Administration's goal.

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Exactly! But looking beyond that and the lives it will effect is sad.

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I can't help but wonder how much trouble she is going to get in from publishing her book and this article considering what she said they do. I am sure someone in Canada will consider both offensive.

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I was thinking the same thing. LOL!

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It crossed my mind as well. Both the website on which she published her article, and the publisher of her book are based in the US, so I doubt anything could be done to her because of that.

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You cant possibly believe anything you just wrote?

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Their agenda is the destruction of all God holds dear, as they follow the spirit of death and lies.
I've spoken with a man whose career is in the mental health field and has much experience with the homosexual/lesbian lifestyle.
He says they're a "chocolate sundae of crazy" and the whipped cream and cherry on top are the transgenders.
Society has no idea what they are unleashing.
This is the first time in human history marriage is being re-defined. It takes at least one full generation (40 years) to understand the impact it will have, as it takes with all societal experiments.
As it was in the days of Noah...only worse, it looks like.

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After the Ball: How America Will Conquer It’s
Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90’s


http://www.parentsofgaychildren.org/...hard_Cohen.pdf

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And why wouldn't he? You take too many liberties.

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Pastors are going to have to insulate themselves from the possibility of lawsuits. I'm not sure if anyone has heard of the "Marriage Pledge". Essentially, pastors are refusing to function as agents of the state and are conducting purely "Christian" marriages and allowing couples to seek civil recognition on their own. Part of the pledge reads:

"Therefore, in our roles as Christian ministers, we, the undersigned, commit ourselves to disengaging civil and Christian marriage in the performance of our pastoral duties. We will no longer serve as agents of the state in marriage. We will no longer sign government-provided marriage certificates. We will ask couples to seek civil marriage separately from their church-related vows and blessings. We will preside only at those weddings that seek to establish a Christian marriage in accord with the principles articulated and lived out from the beginning of the Church’s life."

This is more akin to the Quaker view of marriage. Here are some excerpts from "Faith and Practice": "Quaker Marriage Procedure"...

"Marriage is a sacred commitment of two people to love one another in faithful partnership with the expectation that the relationship will mature and be mutually enriching. Friends know that marriage depends on the inner experiences of the couple who marry and not on any external service or words. Thus, the ceremony in which the couple enter into this commitment is performed by the couple alone, in the presence of God, the families, and the worshiping community. Both the solemnity and the joy of the occasion are enhanced by its simplicity."

"While most Friends’ marriage ceremonies conform to civil law, couples who do not want, or are not eligible to contract a legal marriage occasionally ask for a ceremony of commitment or a wedding under the care of the Meeting. The Religious Society of Friends has long asserted its freedom to conduct under divine leading marriage ceremonies not conforming to civil law."

This is the best way for pastors to insulate themselves from the coming onslaught of lawsuits and litigation from the gay rights movement. For those interested, here's the pledge in it's entirety:

http://www.firstthings.com/marriage-pledge

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IMO, the "marriage" aspect of this issue is going to be the least of Pastor's worries. From the questions posed by a couple Justices, the real issue will be that religious institutions and churches will be forced to accommodate, hire, house, etc, or else be in danger of losing tax exemption.

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I'm not saying you are mistaken but the idea that a church could lose tax exempt status for that reason is ludicrous. It defeats the entire mindset behind giving them tax exempt status to begin with.

Churches are not hate groups as much as certain groups love to vilify them (us). Unfortunately, alot of churches are unable to separate sin and sinner.

Personally, I think the church should welcome homosexuals. (Not condone). These people are suffering... whether they realize it or not.

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Here are a couple quotes from Justices Scalia and Roberts:

JUSTICE SCALIA: They are not constitutional requirements. That was the whole point of my question. If you let the States do it, you can make an exception. You can't do that once it is a constitutional proscription.

If it's a State law, you can make those exceptions. But if it's a constitutional requirement, I don't see how you can.
So basically, if the states make a law for/against SSM, the states could also make exceptions for religious institutions, clergy, etc. However, if the Supreme Court rules in favor of this, they essentially make gays a protected class and no exceptions can be made.


CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Counsel, I'd like to follow up in a line of questioning that Justice Scalia started. We have a concession from your friend that clergy will not be required to perform samesex marriage, but there are going to be harder questions. Would a religious school that has married housing be required to afford such housing to samesex couples?

JUSTICE ALITO: Well, in the Bob Jones case, the Court held that a college was not entitled to tax exempt status if it opposed interracial marriage or interracial dating. So would the same apply to a university or a college if it opposed samesex marriage?

GENERAL VERRILLI: You know, I don't think I can answer that question without knowing more specifics, but it's certainly going to be an issue I don't deny that. I don't deny that, Justice Alito. It is it is going to be an issue.
Here the obama admin attorney admits that tax exemption is in the crosshairs if the Supreme Court rules in its favor and religious institutions refuse to bow to the administrations demands.

This would have seemed ludicrous a decade ago. Unfortunately with all the recent actions taken against christian-owned businesses, it's a certainty that should the Supreme Court rule in favor of SSM, it will be open season on the tax exempt status' of churches and religious institutions.

IMO, the focus on the "marriage" part of this is a smokescreen for the bigger issue. Either accommodate gays and house, hire, etc. or face loss of tax exemption status.

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This is a great article.

Why Americans Are Abandoning Religion

So why the massive drop in religious affiliation? The New York Times would have Americans believe that religion has stumbled because of its involvement in politics:

The report does not offer an explanation for the decline of the Christian population, but the low levels of Christian affiliation among the young, well educated and affluent are consistent with prevailing theories for the rise of the unaffiliated, like the politicization of religion by American conservatives.

This is precisely backwards. American conservatives did not politicize religion. American leftists did. That’s why The New York Times sees fit to run shocked headlines every time Pope Francis reiterates that the Catholic Church remains against same-sex marriage, as has been its position since the time of Jesus. The Church didn’t change, but the left has politicized issues, like marriage and same-sex marriage, upon which there was once unanimity, and pretended that only religious bigotry could justify any position different than their own. Religious Americans didn’t start speaking out about abortion because American conservatives hijacked religion. They started speaking out about abortion because American leftists hijacked politics and used those politics to assault religion.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ning-religion/

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Spot on, David! :thumbsup

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Maybe they should have never married the state to begin with. :)

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I don't disagree with you. From what I've read, tax exemption was something adopted from English law and the precedent goes all the way back to Constantine.

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Churches are automatically exempt before they get "exemption". When people form a non profit corporation called XYZ Church, Inc. they must then get the 501(c)3 exemption for that non profit corp. THAT is what is at stake. If churches however would just be churches, with no incorporation, there would be no problem, as there is no corporate "person" to be sued at law. A voluntary association of individuals is not a legal entity unless it incorporates as a legal entity distinct from the members. This is the trap most "churches" have fallen into. By incorporating they become SLAVES OF THE STATE, since a corporation is legally created by an act of government upon petition by individuals. Read that again carefully...

But none of this relevant AT ALL. God has outlawed sodomy, regardless of what pretended "legislation" man comes up with. The church (not the non profit corp...) is not subject to Caesar in anything pertaining to God. There is no "law" recognized by God that is contrary to His Law. Sin can NEVER be right, or "lawful", by definition.

Anyone worrying about "what are we gonna do?" needs to figure who they are going to serve.

One day just being a Christian may be outlawed. What then?

Our current government is Antichrist. So don't be surprised they do everything they can to squeeze Christians into submission or oblivion.

We must obey God rather than men.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NyX5CxGraE

Very interesting you tube video.

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The above video is the man who made the resolution to declassify homosexuality as a mental illness with the stipulation that scientific research would be done on it. He says this science was never done. He is not opposed to homosexual marriage but says it took a very political bent and basically left off science. Very interesting.

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Churches shouldn't incorporate with the government. Ministers shouldn't seek a license with the government. Christian couples shouldn't seek to license their marriages with the government.

It's looking more and more like the Quakers were right all along.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1411838

Scientific article says Leakage of HIV-sized particles through latex condoms was detectable (P less than 0.03) for as many as 29 of the 89 condoms tested.

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Quakers marry same sex couples so I'm not so sure they have anything right.

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By the sounds, it looks like they have a lot in common with the "global warming" crowd.
Homosexuality was always viewed as a mental illness, just like "climate change" use to be called the "change of seasons". There wasn't any money or votes in that though.

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I am totally blown away by this article. They never tell people this high failure rate concerning "safe sex"! This is from the National Institute of Health!

Abstract
Condoms were tested in an in vitro system simulating key physical conditions that can influence viral particle leakage through condoms during actual coitus. The system quantitatively addresses pressure, pH, temperature, surfactant properties, and anatomical geometry. A suspension of fluorescence-labeled, 110-nm polystyrene microspheres models free human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in semen, and condom leakage is detected spectrofluorometrically. Leakage of HIV-sized particles through latex condoms was detectable (P less than 0.03) for as many as 29 of the 89 condoms tested. Worst-case condom barrier effectiveness (fluid transfer prevention), however, is shown to be at least 10(4) times better than not using a condom at all, suggesting that condom use substantially reduces but does not eliminate the risk of HIV transmission.

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Yes, there are liberal Quakers... but that isn't the point...

The point is, historically, Quakers have practiced their faith without becoming entwined with the government to the point of risking their spiritual distinctions. They don't always incorporate, their ministers don't have to seek licensing, and they don't always register their marriages with the state.

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You make another excellent point. The more liberal Quakers have been open to same sex marriages and relationships for many decades. And since they do not believe that marriage is a civil institution, they've not pushed their beliefs onto anyone else.

So, again, this shows how even the liberal perspective on the issue is best when divorced from government.

Private associations and personal relationships are indeed best kept in the private sphere. It isn't the government's job to regulate our private lives, churches, or sacraments.

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The churches need to lose tax exemption ASAP. Especially if they will be forced to comply with this or lose it.

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Why are you so intent on taxing churches?

For that matter, why do you seem to support income taxes to begin with?

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Data Faked In Study About Gay People Changing Voters’ Minds

A researcher apparently made up the results of the much-publicized study, as revealed Tuesday by scientists trying to replicate it.

Donald Green, the lead author on the study, retracted it on Tuesday shortly after learning that his co-author, UCLA graduate student Michael LaCour, had faked the results.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/virginiahugh...gay-canvassers

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Churches have zero right being tax exempt.

Without income tax, how are we going to pay for that bloated defense budget you GOPers love so much? That is about the only thing we are actually number one in the world at.