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Pressing-On 06-03-2015 09:40 PM

Duggar interview
 
I thought it was a great interview. I felt they handled everything the way a normal Christian family, or any family, would handle it. They answered a lot of questions that were distorted in the media.

Glad they were able to speak about this with Megyn.

I liked what the father said about being able to help others after the records were illegally unsealed. They are seeking counsel as to what is the next step - lawsuit. I think they need to sue the woman who did this to them because it is important she is also held accountable.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/427449153...#sp=show-clips

Evang.Benincasa 06-04-2015 06:10 AM

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What religion are these people?

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1376734)
What religion are these people?

I don't know what religion they are. The father gave a good interview. He seems to be a sensible man. Of course, we always hold our breath hoping nothing else comes out.

One thing that was important, IMO, is the Harpo people, i.e. Ophrah getting the information in 2006, which she shouldn't have had being juvenile records are supposed to be sealed. Anyway, the information was investigated further and dropped because all of the witnesses testified that after his counseling session there were no more issues. The family moved on after doing everything they could, after talking with other families confirming they have dealt with the same issues, and some much worse.

Now, even after that, the media wants to drag this out in the open again. The reason - because they are against abortion and same-sex marriage. The Liberals hate that and want to destroy their lives. That has begun with the cancelling of their show on TLC and they won't quit until the son's life is destroyed.

I was initially concerned about the boy's age - 14. But after hearing what his father had to say and how it was all handled, I wasn't as concerned about it. The main reason being - the boy came and told his parents. A lot of children wouldn't normally do that. His father also said that after another incident they felt they should turn him in or the situation would hang over his head for the rest of his life. I think that is good parenting. If you can't help your child at the outset and he continues to break the law, turn him in.

I remember an incident where the police came by my house because they thought our son might have been with some boys who broke into a place and stole some things. I invited them in and went to search his room. They stayed in the kitchen, because they couldn't do a search and seizure without paperwork. If anything was there, I would have turned him over to the police. Fortunately, it was someone else and he wasn't involved. The point being, if he was involved and I covered for him, he would have committed more crimes as he got older not having learned accountability.

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 08:40 AM

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Lots of hate out there for the Duggar family. I keep going back to the fact that Josh reported his actions to his parents. IMO, that is a good sign. It shows he knew what he did was wrong, that he was guilty and that he needed help.

Reading comments on-line, you can quickly feel conflicted about the issue, but this article is very good and shows the hypocrisy of the Liberals who would like to see this family destroyed.

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The Liberal Demonization of Josh Duggar

Having a different set of rules for conservatives is an avenue the secular left can use to mock righteousness, demote morality, spit in the face of God, and ultimately castigate those who show disapproval of a society that actually celebrates debauchery.

In reality, for the left, Josh Duggar’s greatest offense wasn’t molestation; it was showing remorse after the fact, which imposed unwelcome conviction on a segment of society that is often guilty of worse.

http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...blhKxElQ%C2%A0

Fionn mac Cumh 06-04-2015 08:48 AM

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SMH no respect for that family at all. I am glad this came to light.

n david 06-04-2015 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376763)
SMH no respect for that family at all. I am glad this came to light.

I'm not surprised you feel this way.

You probably feel Bruce Jenner is courageous and a hero for trying to become a woman.

smh

The kid just turned 14. He admitted what he did. He grabbed a boob, he didn't rape them.

But people like you can't stand Godly, conservative families.

LOVE JESUS 06-04-2015 09:11 AM

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I read that they are Baptist. I think we need to pray for them. I don't think I have ever seen their program - don't know if we can get it, but from what I have read, they were a good wholesome family - honored God, family, the Bible, Church. The devil doesn't want anything good on TV. Just look at all the programs that promote homosexuality, adultry, fornication and the world laughs about it. I won't watch the programs but I see them advertized and it is just plain disgusting. COME QUICKLY LORD JESUS.

Fionn mac Cumh 06-04-2015 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1376771)
I'm not surprised you feel this way.

You probably feel Bruce Jenner is courageous and a hero for trying to become a woman.

smh

The kid just turned 14. He admitted what he did. He grabbed a boob, he didn't rape them.

But people like you can't stand Godly, conservative families.

Put words in my mouth much? You are such a diva I swear. I didnt say anything about bruce jenner. You must be thinking of her. I grew up in a GODly conservative family. He molested five girls, some of who were his own sisters. Far from just grabbing a boob. The family covered this up. The dad took him to a state trooper friend of his. This guy didnt report it to the authorities. This trooper friend of his was later popped for child porn. Jeez I wonder why he didnt report it (SARCASM)Again dude is against gay marriage, but is a child molester. Two loving people of legal age cant marry, but he can molest his sisters.

n david 06-04-2015 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376782)
Put words in my mouth much? You are such a diva I swear. I didnt say anything about bruce jenner. You must be thinking of her. I grew up in a GODly conservative family. He molested five girls, some of who were his own sisters. Far from just grabbing a boob. The family covered this up. The dad took him to a state trooper friend of his. This guy didnt report it to the authorities. This trooper friend of his was later popped for child porn. Jeez I wonder why he didnt report it (SARCASM)Again dude is against gay marriage, but is a child molester. Two loving people of legal age cant marry, but he can molest his sisters.

I never said that you said that. I said you probably feel that way. I stand by that statement, especially since you finish your post by promoting gay marriage. BTW, you can't be promoting gay marriage on AFF.

The family didn't "cover it up." They're not required to report it.

A lot of messed up people grew up in a "Godly conservative family." Just because a kid was raised by Godly conservative parents, doesn't mean the kid will continue to be a Godly conservative teenager or adult.

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376782)
Two loving people of legal age cant marry, but he can molest his sisters.

No, he can't. He did, felt convicted, told his parents and was disciplined for it.

The Duggars handled it well. Easy for you liberals to sit back and judge.

Fionn mac Cumh 06-04-2015 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1376793)
I never said that you said that. I said you probably feel that way. I stand by that statement, especially since you finish your post by promoting gay marriage. BTW, you can't be promoting gay marriage on AFF.

The family didn't "cover it up." They're not required to report it.

A lot of messed up people grew up in a "Godly conservative family." Just because a kid was raised by Godly conservative parents, doesn't mean the kid will continue to be a Godly conservative teenager or adult.


No, he can't. He did, felt convicted, told his parents and was disciplined for it.

The Duggars handled it well. Easy for you liberals to sit back and judge.

This isnt a liberal v conservative issue! This wasnt a one time issue with him!

Originalist 06-04-2015 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376763)
SMH no respect for that family at all. I am glad this came to light.

I'm always curious to know, but seldom get a response when I ask...how would you want people to treat your child had he done this? Would you have called the police had your 104 year old son admitted to the same things?

Fionn mac Cumh 06-04-2015 09:55 AM

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http://realmrhousewife.com/2015/05/2...tion-19-facts/

Fionn mac Cumh 06-04-2015 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1376798)
I'm always curious to know, but seldom get a response when I ask...how would you want people to treat your child had he done this? Would you have called the police had your 104 year old son admitted to the same things?

He was accused of molesting 5 girls. This wasnt a one time thing. This reeks of a cover up!!!!!!!

People like Ndavid wanna turn this into a left vs right issue. That disgusts me!

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376799)

Having reviewed your link, I see that you were not in the least interested in Duggar's interview from last night. I especially take note of the information about the State Trooper. You are purposely not wanting to listen to the Duggar's account.

good samaritan 06-04-2015 10:10 AM

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I don't know all the details, and both sides probably are not 100% honest, because this has been made political. We would probably be amazed at how common this issue is. Although I 100% disagree with a 14 year molesting his little sister, I think that since they were juveniles it seems senseless to give it over to the government handle. I have heard many stories of abuses taken place while children are in foster care (human services ussually only make bad situations worse, I know firsthand). People are looking to the government to fix everything when things, most of the time, should be handled on the most local government level, "the home".

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1376811)
I don't know all the details, and both sides probably are not 100% honest, because this has been made political. We would probably be amazed at how common this issue is. Although I 100% disagree with a 14 year molesting his little sister, I think that since they were juveniles it seems senseless to give it over to the government handle. I have heard many stories of abuses taken place while children are in foster care (human services ussually only make bad situations worse, I know firsthand). People are looking to the government to fix everything when things, most of the time, should be handled on the most local government level, "the home".

That was another point the father made last night. He talked to someone and they showed how the juvenile system wouldn't have helped his son.

So, from the interview, they did their homework and did the best they could to help their children by not throwing their son under the bus in order to help the girls as well.

It was an extremely difficult situation for them. And I believe they handled it very well as parents.

And if what they are saying is truth - we need to pray that God will use this situation to help other families. After all, he didn't have intercourse with them. That would have been much, much worse for all involved.

And, again, I want to say that the boy confessed to his deeds. That speaks very well for him in my book. I don't know how many offenders would snitch on themselves - hardly any, I would imagine.

seguidordejesus 06-04-2015 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1376819)
That was another point the father made last night. He talked to someone and they showed how the juvenile system wouldn't have helped his son.

So, from the interview, they did their homework and did the best they could to help their children by not throwing their son under the bus in order to help the girls as well.

It was an extremely difficult situation for them. And I believe they handled it very well as parents.

And if what they are saying is truth - we need to pray that God will use this situation to help other families. After all, he didn't have intercourse with them. That would have been much, much worse for all involved.

And, again, I want to say that the boy confessed to his deeds. That speaks very well for him in my book. I don't know how many offenders would snitch on themselves - hardly any, I would imagine.

I agree with what I know of the Duggars' actions, so long as they made sure to get the girls any help that they needed. Putting their son in the legal system would have been of absolutely NO benefit.

n david 06-04-2015 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376796)
This isnt a liberal v conservative issue! This wasnt a one time issue with him!

YOU brought up and used the word "conservative," not me! And yes, it IS a liberal vs conservative issue. The liberals made it a liberal vs conservative issue.

Liberals are gnashing for blood against this Godly family -- and every single liberal I've seen who's commented on this has brought up the Duggar's conservative and Godly values as the reason for their anger on the situation.

Where's the backlash against Lena Dunham for her writings about how she molested her sister when she was a young teen? She was given a total pass for it, even though she never apologized or felt what she did was wrong. None of the liberals currently gnashing against the Duggars said a peep about her.

You didn't say a word about it either. All this fake outrage against Josh Duggar, but not a word about Lena's molestation of her sister.

This was an issue which happened in the same year. He was in puberty. He knew what he did was wrong. He's apologized for it. He spoke to the victims and their family to apologize. He was punished for it. He never did it again after being punished for it.

good samaritan 06-04-2015 10:31 AM

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The liberal gay supporters, probably have as much if not more molestation on their side of the fence. The liberals are using the limelit conservative Duggar families trauma to promote their agenda and foolish people are buying into to it. I don't support suing in most cases, but I believe the Duggars have been slandered by many liberal news broadcasters for things that took place while their children where juveniles. Years ago this sort of news was only in national inquirer type magazines, now these news agencies want the nastiest filth they can find.

n david 06-04-2015 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376801)
He was accused of molesting 5 girls. This wasnt a one time thing. This reeks of a cover up!!!!!!!

And you accuse me of posting like a diva. :lol

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376801)
People like Ndavid wanna turn this into a left vs right issue. That disgusts me!

YOU mentioned "conservative" first, not me. Also liberals, like you, turned this into a liberal vs conservative issue.

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 1376822)
I agree with what I know of the Duggars' actions, so long as they made sure to get the girls any help that they needed. Putting their son in the legal system would have been of absolutely NO benefit.

They said that all of the children received counseling from a certified professional and that their son paid his own counseling fees.

seguidordejesus 06-04-2015 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1376827)
They said that all of the children received counseling from a certified professional and that their son paid his own counseling fees.

I can't think of anything I would have done differently. Tough situation.

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1376824)
The liberal gay supporters, probably have as much if not more molestation on their side of the fence. The liberals are using the limelit conservative Duggar families trauma to promote their agenda and foolish people are buying into to it. I don't support suing in most cases, but I believe the Duggars have been slandered by many liberal news broadcasters for things that took place while their children where juveniles. Years ago this sort of news was only in national inquirer type magazines, now these news agencies want the nastiest filth they can find.

Yes, Lena Dunham gets to explore with her little sister, no repercussion. Bruce Jenner will be given an award for bravery and is calling himself the "new normal".

Yet, the Duggars get no mercy. It is especially horrible because they used the "f" word - forgiveness.

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 1376830)
I can't think of anything I would have done differently. Tough situation.

I can't either. Very tough. I hope the whole family can rise above this. The media certainly won't grant mercy.

n david 06-04-2015 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1376832)
Yes, Lena Dunham gets to explore with her little sister, no repercussion. Bruce Jenner will be given an award for bravery and is calling himself the "new normal".

Yet, the Duggars get no mercy. It is especially horrible because they used the "f" word - forgiveness.

Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1376837)
Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

:thumbsup

KeptByTheWord 06-04-2015 11:38 AM

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Let's look at it this way. A child is raised in a gay home, with two gay parents. At 14, it is discovered that the boy has touched his brother inappropriately. What would be the proper action for the gay parents to take? Should they say, well its okay, he is just exploring his sexuality? This seems to be what has happened in Lena Dunham's case... hmm.... the hypocrisy is sickening.

So the real problem here is not the abuse... the problem is where it happened, in a Christian home, with parents who have been in the spotlight for trying to raise their children in a godly way, and it is the media and liberal minded folks who want to destroy them because they stand for something that opposes their agenda.

And we must remember this.... just because we are Christians, does not mean we are not above the temptations and lusts of the flesh that lead to sin... the difference is what Christians are supposed to do with those lusts of the flesh, and how they approach them, that is where the difference lies.

In Christ, we can overcome the lusts of the flesh and sins of the heart by turning to Christ, and by seeking repentance, forgiveness and hope. It seems this is what this boy tried to do from all accounts.

However, what is making the liberals mad is that this boy changed, overcame, and moved on with his life, instead of being labeled a child molester, and going on to commit more crimes, and eventually being committed to jail for the rest of his life... which is what usually happens in such a situation.

I will be praying for this family that they use this attack against them to show and highlight the love and mercy of Christ that is able to reach out and change the darkest and most hopeless of situations.

Fionn mac Cumh 06-04-2015 11:40 AM

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Im all about forgiveness. I really am. One time maybe two. He has been accused of molestation on five occasions.

Ron 06-04-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1376824)
The liberal gay supporters, probably have as much if not more molestation on their side of the fence. The liberals are using the limelit conservative Duggar families trauma to promote their agenda and foolish people are buying into to it. I don't support suing in most cases, but I believe the Duggars have been slandered by many liberal news broadcasters for things that took place while their children where juveniles. Years ago this sort of news was only in national inquirer type magazines, now these news agencies want the nastiest filth they can find.

You are 100% right & there is a Spiritual war on anything that is right & upright!

Ron 06-04-2015 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1376832)
Yes, Lena Dunham gets to explore with her little sister, no repercussion. Bruce Jenner will be given an award for bravery and is calling himself the "new normal".

Yet, the Duggars get no mercy. It is especially horrible because they used the "f" word - forgiveness.

Interesting huh? Actually, I believe this is just starting (save for God's intervention) & the future doesn't look too promising.
There is an all out war by liberals on any & all that are not the way they are!
Heaven looks soooo good!:thumbsup

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1376863)
Let's look at it this way. A child is raised in a gay home, with two gay parents. At 14, it is discovered that the boy has touched his brother inappropriately. What would be the proper action for the gay parents to take? Should they say, well its okay, he is just exploring his sexuality? This seems to be what has happened in Lena Dunham's case... hmm.... the hypocrisy is sickening.

So the real problem here is not the abuse... the problem is where it happened, in a Christian home, with parents who have been in the spotlight for trying to raise their children in a godly way, and it is the media and liberal minded folks who want to destroy them because they stand for something that opposes their agenda.

And we must remember this.... just because we are Christians, does not mean we are not above the temptations and lusts of the flesh that lead to sin... the difference is what Christians are supposed to do with those lusts of the flesh, and how they approach them, that is where the difference lies.

In Christ, we can overcome the lusts of the flesh and sins of the heart by turning to Christ, and by seeking repentance, forgiveness and hope. It seems this is what this boy tried to do from all accounts.

However, what is making the liberals mad is that this boy changed, overcame, and moved on with his life, instead of being labeled a child molester, and going on to commit more crimes, and eventually being committed to jail for the rest of his life... which is what usually happens in such a situation.

I will be praying for this family that they use this attack against them to show and highlight the love and mercy of Christ that is able to reach out and change the darkest and most hopeless of situations.

Excellent!!!

Praying with you!

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1376885)
Interesting huh? Actually, I believe this is just starting (save for God's intervention) & the future doesn't look too promising.
There is an all out war by liberals on any & all that are not the way they are!
Heaven looks soooo good!:thumbsup

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." John 3:19-21

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376865)
Im all about forgiveness. I really am. One time maybe two. He has been accused of molestation on five occasions.

Well, look at statistics then. Recidivism rates for juveniles who commit sexual offenses are generally lower than those observed for adult sexual offenders. 90% won't generally be repeat offenders. He wasn't doing this over a period of years.

Esaias 06-04-2015 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1376734)
What religion are these people?

Independent Fundamental Baptist.

Ron 06-04-2015 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1376905)
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." John 3:19-21

:nod

Evang.Benincasa 06-04-2015 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1376914)
Independent Fundamental Baptist.

Oh, Ruckmanites?

ApostolicKitty 06-04-2015 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376763)
SMH no respect for that family at all. I am glad this came to light.


Really? So, it's okay to unseal a juvenile record illegally and share what you found in it with the world?

Something's wrong with your thinking.

Fionn mac Cumh 06-04-2015 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty (Post 1376926)
Really? So, it's okay to unseal a juvenile record illegally and share what you found in it with the world?

Something's wrong with your thinking.

If it outs a child molester who cares?!?!?!? Lets all stick up for what he did. Poor him. He molested five girls that we know of, and all he got was a switch to his backside. Give me a break. Lets all concentrate on the person who brought this to light.

Pressing-On 06-04-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1376939)
If it outs a child molester who cares?!?!?!? Lets all stick up for what he did. Poor him. He molested five girls that we know of, and all he got was a switch to his backside. Give me a break. Lets all concentrate on the person who brought this to light.

Do you happen to know the exact time frame for these events? Did he begin at 9 and molest them for years until he was 15?

Fionn mac Cumh 06-04-2015 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1376943)
Do you happen to know the exact time frame for these events? Did he begin at 9 and molest them for years until he was 15?

Supposedly he was 14.


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