Does anyone use the Septuagint?
 

just wondering.

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Use it for what?

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We do.

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I enjoy languages and things like that....

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I use it. It is not the same as the Greek NT.

Some parts of it are translated better than other parts. The first 5 books are done rather well. The latter prophets, not so much.

It is not a strict translation. So if you look up a certain passage, it may not read exactly the same as it does in Hebrew.

Not all of the books were translated at the same time by the same group of translators. Different translators did different books at different times. Any Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible is called septuagint.

It is very interesting. But it has not been the focus of my study. We did not translate out of the Septuagint in college. But we did translate out of the NT and the early church fathers.

For what it is worth, our Greek professor was a woman. The sharpest Greek Scholar the UPC ever saw.

You rock, Sister Mary Lou Myrick !!!

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I have taught languages and history for many years...

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My love for languages helped me to win my Hebrew and Greek teacher to the oneness message....however....I know so little compared to what I wish I knew....

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That's nice. :)

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That's why everyone remembers Elder Marvin Treece when they think of an Apostolic Greek translator.

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Every now and then I like comparing it with the Hebrew versions.

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Same here.

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I frequently refer to this English translation:

http://www.amazon.com/A-New-English-.../dp/0195289757

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The English translation on my shelf is good Sir Lancelot. :)

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That's the one I have. I'm planning on getting Ralf's, I hear it's a bit more complete in regards to the critical apparatus (although Brenton's isn't too shabby in that respect, either).

I'd like to get a Complutensian Polyglot but not sure where to get one for cheap. Somebody needs to make inexpensive editions of all these old texts (probably be a small market, though).

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Hey, look what I found:

http://www.stilltruth.com/download/P...n-Polyglot.pdf

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Did you download that successfully?

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Here's another site that may prove useful. I just found it in my old bookmarks from when I was in college.

http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/

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Yes. But it's a photocopy of an old library edition, so kind of hard to read.

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The pages have three columns, a Hebrew, a Vulgate, and a Greek. The Greek column has what appears to be an interlinear Latin with it. The Latin font is an older one, uses "f" for "s" in some places, etc. It also uses abbreviations, so if one isn't familiar with Latin it may be problematic.

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We can forget proving Yeshua is the Father in Isaiah 9:6 in the LXX.

6 For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.

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The change of wording in Is.9:6 is typical of the LXX. Very interesting.

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I may have some bad news for you, since the study of the DDS, it has been found that during the time of the first century A.D. "everlasting father" was mistranslated by the Masoretes.

In the DDS it reads Elgibor the father of Ad, ruler of Hashalom.

Jeff A Benner isn't one of my favorite scholars,and I disagree with some things he has presented in the past. But you may want to look at his issues with the Masoretic text as well as the LXX.

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/31_selections.html

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The above post should read...during the time of the first century A.D. the term everlasting father may have not been used, and the Masoretes mistranslated it in 600 A.D. :)

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I have this:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Dead-Sea-S.../dp/0060600640

And the translators translate Isaiah 9:6 the traditional way into English.

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If I am not mistaken, the Alexandrine text of the LXX includes "mighty God, everlasting Father". The Vaticanus text reads " Messenger/Angel of great counsel", which is the base text used by Brenton.

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I know the later part of your statement, but please show me what you found with the Codex Alexandrinus. I have a facsimile somewhere, but was trying to find it after votivesoul posted the Martin G Abegg, Peter Flint, and Ulrich copy, I asked Sister Benincasa, but she doesn't know where I put it. I was just having this discussion this morning with a brother over the phone. Im pretty sure they both say Messenger of Great council. Please find me your information concerning the Codex Alexandrinus. :)

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I'll look for it.

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found it

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It says "Messenger of great counsel" and it says "father of the age to come."

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I found an English translation of Codex Alex. It reads "Father of Eternity"

fun stuff.

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.ὅτι παιδίον ἐγεννήθη ἡμῖν, υἱὸς καὶ ἐδόθη ἡμῖν, οὗ ἡ ἀρχὴ ἐγενήθη ἐπὶ τοῦ ὤμου αὐτοῦ, καὶ καλεῖται τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ μεγάλης βουλῆς ἄγγελος, [[θαυμαστὸς σύμβουλος, ἰσχυρός, ἐξουσιαστής, ἄρχων εἰρήνης, πατὴρ τοῦ μέλλοντος αἰῶνος ἐγὼ γὰρ ἄξω εἰρήνην ἐπὶ τοὺς ἄρχοντας εἰρήνην καὶ ὑγίειαν αὐτῷ

It literally says, father of the future age.

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Per Brenton, at the "mu" footnote for Esaias IX:6, it reads "Alex. + Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty One, Potentate, Prince of Peace, Father of the age to come. Compare Heb. 2.2."

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Just saw it now at the bottom of the page.

So, much for me looking at the footnotes in a Bible I have used for years.

Thank you.

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It was probably all that bacon...

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Bacon make us better theologians. Or whatever we are !!!!

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No, it was Esaias making the comment on Isaiah 9:6 being different in the Codex Alexandrinus. Then I asked for the evidence, and he told me to look in the footnotes of my Sir Lancelot. Then I looked at Isaiah 9:6 in the Codex Alexandrinus Greek, and there it was. No, bacon needed, just a brother with the proper information, and a willing ear on my part. But, now that my brother showed me the way, I'm gon eat!

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What do you think about this info? I found it today while Googling some Septuagint info. :dunno

Women and Wives

The Septuagint is replete with all kinds of wonderful information on women, both good and bad, and how to differentiate between the two. It answers the question of romance and involvement completely, and what to avoid, for both the women and the men that are out their looking for a husband or wife. With the introduction of television and soap operas, we are in about a third generation of women who have been raised on soap opera values, which are the commercial values of the world. And the main job of the merchant is to get us to prostitute ourselves to turn away from what our true calling is in God, and sell ourselves out for the material things of the world.

Today, we sit in some homes and see people treating and acting like these situation comedies, cutting each other down. It's lazy comedy, because they can't really do anything funny, so they have to use shock and embarrassment to make them laugh because they don't know what humor really is. Then people start to imitate this and it destroys the family. And their main target were the wives, mothers, and women because the women are in the home and had the access to the television. And the merchants know that "the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world." Men are supposed to be protecting the women with God's Law.

1) Let's compare Proverbs 5:3-6.

Proverbs 5:3-6 (KJV): "For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil: But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword. Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell. Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them."

This King James verse is pretty muddy. You can get a little bit out of it but not a whole lot. Here's the Septuagint reading:

Proverbs 5:3-6 (LXX): "Give no heed to a worthless woman; for honey drops from the lips of a harlot, who for a season pleases thy palate: but afterwards thou wilt find her more bitter than gall, and sharper than a two-edged sword. For the feet of folly lead those who deal with her down to the grave with death; and her steps are not established. For she goes not upon the paths of life; but her ways are slippery, and not easily known."

Now that doesn't leave too much left to the imagination and speculation, does it? This verse doesn't apply to just women in gender, you can also apply this to the philosopher, or to the feminized man, they do exactly the same thing. So, the sword cuts both ways. The word 'woman' is used here because these are the attributes that a woman of ill-repute exhibits, but these are the same attributes that a feminized man, who is also a man of ill-repute, also exhibits. This applies to everyone who sells themselves out from their calling and their purpose that the Lord has called them towards, which is only revealed in the Word of God; not on a soap opera, not on a sitcom, not on anything that comes out of the media.

2) Now you know why Paul would not suffer a woman to speak in a lawful assembly; he wasn't referring only to sex, he was referring to the effeminate man. Men with feminine characteristics. And this is why the Church has been feminized:

Proverbs 19:15 (KJV): "Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger."

Proverbs 19:15 (LXX): "Cowardice possesses the effeminate man; and the soul of the sluggard shall hunger."

You know, our lives are not reality, they're not real, we've been living according to a script. If you're relying on somebody else's script, what does that tell you about what kind of spirit you have in your heart? It's dead. We live according to the image that we hold in our mind, and we need to have the image we hold in our mind conformed to that of the only begotten Son of God. Otherwise, we're following the script of the world and the images that come over the television.

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More study not only into the LXX but into the Masoretic text is needed. I have to again thank Esaias for pointing out the Isaiah 9:6 as found in Codex Alexandrinus. It opens up some interesting questions concerning the text of the Masoretes. The apostles, Paul, and the Lord Jesus Christ quoted from the LXX, and another Aramaic copy which we have no manuscript available. To know that we do have the original words of Jesus and His followers in our Bible preserved in the Greek language is great.