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BeardlessBob 06-08-2015 12:30 PM
Games, Books & Entertainment
 
So, let me start off by saying that I've been Apostolic for coming up on four years.
I've got a lot of stuff I've always enjoyed as entertainment about which my conscience has been gnawing at me as of late. The past couple years really.
I threw away four-hundred dollars worth of fantasy themed books as well as some games I thought may be displeasing to God.
A few years later now, I find myself collecting more. Conscience not slack, but feel unable to keep from making little purchases here and there. Mostly digital things, not hard copy.
Right now I'm on Steam (a game platform software) and I'm looking at this game called Fallout. It's a post apocalyptic survival/roleplay style game. It's rated Mature, primarily because of blood and gore, plus a few other things that from my experience can be avoided if you don't want to play as a "bad guy".
I haven't bought it yet, for my conscience sake.
Still, I really don't know how to kick this. Part of me loves these things and feels that as much as some of the content is "wrong" I know my intents are not to do wrong. The stories, characters, the open worlds to explore, I love these things... but the other part of me feels I'm dishonoring God by enjoying it and that I'm a fool for partaking in something obviously produced in the world.

Idk, I just want the thoughts of my brothers and sisters.

Evang.Benincasa 06-08-2015 12:36 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
I don't know what it is your doing, because I know nothing about gaming. There is a brother who comes to a Bible study we have in downtown Fort Lauderdale who says he witnesses through World of Warcraft. Sounds kind of odd, but who am I to judge it, when I have no idea what it is exactly. You on the other hand sound like you are well versed in this area, where I am not, so can you explain the pros and cons of what you are doing to help me understand what exactly you are involved in? If you have the urge to kick the habit, you are the one feeling the conviction, or if not conviction you are seeing something that maybe others may not be seeing. So, proceed, spoon feed me on this? :)

KeptByTheWord 06-09-2015 09:11 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
I am guessing this was a "drive-by" post... lol

Evang.Benincasa 06-09-2015 10:33 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1378110)
I am guessing this was a "drive-by" post... lol
I guess he wants to keep his post numbers low? :heeheehee

KeptByTheWord 06-09-2015 11:10 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1378127)
I guess he wants to keep his post numbers low? :heeheehee
Lol... it seems to me that when people come here and post their problem on their first or second visit, they rarely come back. Don't know why, maybe we scare them off, I don't know, lol!

ApostolicKitty 06-09-2015 12:26 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardlessBob (Post 1377924)
So, let me start off by saying that I've been Apostolic for coming up on four years.
I've got a lot of stuff I've always enjoyed as entertainment about which my conscience has been gnawing at me as of late. The past couple years really.
I threw away four-hundred dollars worth of fantasy themed books as well as some games I thought may be displeasing to God.
A few years later now, I find myself collecting more. Conscience not slack, but feel unable to keep from making little purchases here and there. Mostly digital things, not hard copy.
Right now I'm on Steam (a game platform software) and I'm looking at this game called Fallout. It's a post apocalyptic survival/roleplay style game. It's rated Mature, primarily because of blood and gore, plus a few other things that from my experience can be avoided if you don't want to play as a "bad guy".
I haven't bought it yet, for my conscience sake.
Still, I really don't know how to kick this. Part of me loves these things and feels that as much as some of the content is "wrong" I know my intents are not to do wrong. The stories, characters, the open worlds to explore, I love these things... but the other part of me feels I'm dishonoring God by enjoying it and that I'm a fool for partaking in something obviously produced in the world.

Idk, I just want the thoughts of my brothers and sisters.
Prayer and fasting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1377925)
I don't know what it is your doing, because I know nothing about gaming. There is a brother who comes to a Bible study we have in downtown Fort Lauderdale who says he witnesses through World of Warcraft. Sounds kind of odd, but who am I to judge it, when I have no idea what it is exactly. You on the other hand sound like you are well versed in this area, where I am not, so can you explain the pros and cons of what you are doing to help me understand what exactly you are involved in? If you have the urge to kick the habit, you are the one feeling the conviction, or if not conviction you are seeing something that maybe others may not be seeing. So, proceed, spoon feed me on this? :)
You mean... World of Witchcraft.

TJJJ 06-09-2015 01:45 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty (Post 1378144)
Prayer and fasting.



You mean... World of Witchcraft.
You sure got that right.

World of Warcraft is the spawn of Dungeons and Dragons. Just in digital form.

That stuff is pure witchcraft pure and simple.

We spent some time casting devils out of a woman who got possessed when playing that W of W. Bad stuff.

ApostolicKitty 06-09-2015 02:34 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1378150)
You sure got that right.

World of Warcraft is the spawn of Dungeons and Dragons. Just in digital form.

That stuff is pure witchcraft pure and simple.

We spent some time casting devils out of a woman who got possessed when playing that W of W. Bad stuff.

Thank God for deliverance!

Servant's <3 06-09-2015 03:50 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
While I readily admit video games can be a waste of time and they don't help your spiritual walk, they are not witchcraft. World of Warcraft is not witchcraft. I hope you all were being sarcastic.

I play video games from time to time. There is nothing inherently wrong or immoral about playing video games. It is a form of entertainment and just like any entertainment one can go overboard and spend/waste too much time doing it. Video games are no more harmful than TV. It has been proven that some of them are far more educational and beneficial than watching TV as well.

Some video games are inappropriate and have a vast amount of inappropriate material in them that can hinder you. Not all video games are created equal.

As for Fallout, I am fully aware of what fallout is and what it entails... it isn't my particular cup of tea.... If the blood and gore can be turned off I would definitely advise doing so... I would not say Fallout is inherently evil although there are some things in it that to be honest I would very much question if a parent should let their child play it.... (then again I'm not a parent so I cannot speak from that standpoint) the game has a mature rating for a reason other than blood and gore... I'm somewhat confident there is cursing in it.

As my youth pastor would say, you put garbage in what do you expect to come out?

If you feel this game could be a problem for you, by all means do not play it. Some people can get addicted to video games or can be adversely affected by content in said game hence people should err on the side of caution.

But, no I would not say video games are inherently evil.

Evang.Benincasa 06-09-2015 03:52 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Dungeon and Dragons? World of Witchcraft? I live in Fort Lauderdale, games are the least their problems down here. :heeheehee

I wish God called me to the land of cornbread and butter milk, or honey butter and scones.

Someone has to preach in Nineveh.

Evang.Benincasa 06-09-2015 04:03 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Servant's <3 (Post 1378161)
While I readily admit video games can be a waste of time and they don't help your spiritual walk, they are not witchcraft. World of Warcraft is not witchcraft. I hope you all were being sarcastic.

I play video games from time to time. There is nothing inherently wrong or immoral about playing video games. It is a form of entertainment and just like any entertainment one can go overboard and spend/waste too much time doing it. Video games are no more harmful than TV. It has been proven that some of them are far more educational and beneficial than watching TV as well.

Some video games are inappropriate and have a vast amount of inappropriate material in them that can hinder you. Not all video games are created equal.

As for Fallout, I am fully aware of what fallout is and what it entails... it isn't my particular cup of tea.... If the blood and gore can be turned off I would definitely advise doing so... I would not say Fallout is inherently evil although there are some things in it that to be honest I would very much question if a parent should let their child play it.... (then again I'm not a parent so I cannot speak from that standpoint) the game has a mature rating for a reason other than blood and gore... I'm somewhat confident there is cursing in it.

As my youth pastor would say, you put garbage in what do you expect to come out?

If you feel this game could be a problem for you, by all means do not play it. Some people can get addicted to video games or can be adversely affected by content in said game hence people should err on the side of caution.

But, no I would not say video games are inherently evil.
Warcraft kind of indicates that someone or something is getting killed?

I can't see Apostolic youth playing it and it being a good thing. The brother who comes to Bible study says he witnesses through the game? Still have no idea how that is achieved through a video game on line. I was told they are able to talk to other players? But if people are getting killed, by guns, arrows, incantation???? Plus ghouls? Magic jewelry? I don't know, but I think War Craft must be an indicator that something not Apostolic is happening. I have no time to talk about games with people who come to the Bible study, and the other people at the people study weren't interested in the brother talking about the witnessing through the video game. Time proves all things, if he keep attending I will find out more about World of Warcraft and how it pertains to godly living.

Thank you beardless for your enormous contribution to this thread and answering my questions. :)

Servant's <3 06-09-2015 04:21 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
I could go into pretty much everything about world of warcraft... It is mostly a social game but there is definitely violence in it. I found world of warcraft to be a colossal waste of time and quit playing after a number of years. Played when I was in college.

I'm not going to get into video game addiction, but many games especially nowadays are designed to be as addicting as possible and make you want to play them.... World of Warcraft is such a game. There is a very social aspect to the game in that people many times are working together to achieve a common goal. Usually involving killing monsters/evil creatures/beings... However, the social aspect COULD be used for good as much as things like Facebook or pinterest can be used for good. If you desire to demonize video games you should demonize those others as well.

I advocate moderation as opposed to elimination. Others obviously can have other opinions.

If he reads the post good for him... if not meh... we can still have a discussion on the merits of video games. I would enjoy that seeing as some people apparently think I engage in devilry when I play something like simcity or civilization 5.

Evang.Benincasa 06-09-2015 05:13 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Servant's <3 (Post 1378187)
I could go into pretty much everything about world of warcraft... It is mostly a social game but there is definitely violence in it. I found world of warcraft to be a colossal waste of time and quit playing after a number of years. Played when I was in college.

I'm not going to get into video game addiction, but many games especially nowadays are designed to be as addicting as possible and make you want to play them.... World of Warcraft is such a game. There is a very social aspect to the game in that people many times are working together to achieve a common goal. Usually involving killing monsters/evil creatures/beings... However, the social aspect COULD be used for good as much as things like Facebook or pinterest can be used for good. If you desire to demonize video games you should demonize those others as well.

I advocate moderation as opposed to elimination. Others obviously can have other opinions.

If he reads the post good for him... if not meh... we can still have a discussion on the merits of video games. I would enjoy that seeing as some people apparently think I engage in devilry when I play something like simcity or civilization 5.

Demonize those others as well?

Well, isn't Facebook of the DEVIL?

Jito463 06-09-2015 07:59 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Servant's <3 (Post 1378161)
While I readily admit video games can be a waste of time and they don't help your spiritual walk, they are not witchcraft. World of Warcraft is not witchcraft. I hope you all were being sarcastic.

I play video games from time to time. There is nothing inherently wrong or immoral about playing video games. It is a form of entertainment and just like any entertainment one can go overboard and spend/waste too much time doing it. Video games are no more harmful than TV. It has been proven that some of them are far more educational and beneficial than watching TV as well.

Some video games are inappropriate and have a vast amount of inappropriate material in them that can hinder you. Not all video games are created equal.

As for Fallout, I am fully aware of what fallout is and what it entails... it isn't my particular cup of tea.... If the blood and gore can be turned off I would definitely advise doing so... I would not say Fallout is inherently evil although there are some things in it that to be honest I would very much question if a parent should let their child play it.... (then again I'm not a parent so I cannot speak from that standpoint) the game has a mature rating for a reason other than blood and gore... I'm somewhat confident there is cursing in it.

As my youth pastor would say, you put garbage in what do you expect to come out?

If you feel this game could be a problem for you, by all means do not play it. Some people can get addicted to video games or can be adversely affected by content in said game hence people should err on the side of caution.

But, no I would not say video games are inherently evil.
I concur wholeheartedly. I've played video games since I was 5 or 6 years old (of course, back then it was "Super Mario Brothers" or "Burger Time"). As for the D&D stuff, that does not inherently imply demonic stuff. While - if taken literally - those things could lead someone into demonic worship, it is not inherently evil. It's a question of distinguishing reality from fantasy. Whenever someone mentions the "evils" of D&D, I like to replay this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD9U2CM-Y1E

Now, I will add this. If these things are a stumbling block to your relationship with God, then by all means, leave them behind. Just as with all stumbling blocks, however, they do not hinder everyone or affect everyone the same way.

My pastor has told about how he used to collect these western novels (some famous name I can't recall now). They weren't bad, but they were an issue for him because they distracted him from God. Those same western novels would not be a hindrance to others, but they became one for him, so he destroyed them all and left them behind.

Likewise with video games. If it doesn't affect your walk with God, then there's no harm in it. If it does, then there's a problem and you need to seek after God's will.

Evang.Benincasa 06-09-2015 08:36 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1378225)
My pastor has told about how he used to collect these western novels (some famous name I can't recall now). They weren't bad, but they were an issue for him because they distracted him from God. Those same western novels would not be a hindrance to others, but they became one for him, so he destroyed them all and left them behind.

Likewise with video games. If it doesn't affect your walk with God, then there's no harm in it. If it does, then there's a problem and you need to seek after God's will.
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Jito463 06-10-2015 02:43 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Yep, that was the name I couldn't remember.

TJJJ 06-11-2015 10:12 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Heyyyyyyyyyy now!!!!

Don't get on ol' Louis!!!!

That is next to Larkin and the Thompson Chain Reference Bible for clarity!!!

Evang.Benincasa 06-11-2015 10:15 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1378532)
Heyyyyyyyyyy now!!!!

Don't get on ol' Louis!!!!

That is next to Larkin and the Thompson Chain Reference Bible for clarity!!!
Notice I picked Utah Blaine just for you. :thumbsup

Monterrey 06-11-2015 10:17 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1378533)
Notice I picked Utah Blaine just for you. :thumbsup
Does Tjjjj think he is Utah Blain?

Evang.Benincasa 06-11-2015 10:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1378534)
Does Tjjjj think he is Utah Blain?
Do you? ;)

n david 06-11-2015 10:20 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
I used to help Bro Jim Yohe set up the Lighthouse Ranch booth at General Conference long ago. He used to have a suitcase filled with Louis L'Amour books which he would trade and sell with other ministers.

He told me only two types of books were allowed on the ranch, the Bible and Louis L'Amour.

Monterrey 06-11-2015 10:22 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1378537)
Do you? ;)
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

Ya know, if all my personas were added together I would have quite the post count!!!!

:happydance

Evang.Benincasa 06-11-2015 10:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1378540)
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

Ya know, if all my personas were added together I would have quite the post count!!!!

:happydance
Amen to that brother. :)

Evang.Benincasa 06-11-2015 10:27 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by n david (Post 1378538)
I used to help Bro Jim Yohe set up the Lighthouse Ranch booth at General Conference long ago. He used to have a suitcase filled with Louise L'Amour books which he would trade and sell with other ministers.

He told me only two types of books were allowed on the ranch, the Bible and Louise L'Amour.
Louise L' Amour?

Did he do a Bruce Jenner?

Changed his name from Louie to Louise?

n david 06-11-2015 10:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1378547)
Louise L' Amour?

Did he do a Bruce Jenner?

Changed his name from Louie to Louise?
Haha! My bad. It is Louis L'Amour.

Evang.Benincasa 06-11-2015 10:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by n david (Post 1378554)
Haha! My bad. It is Louis L'Amour.
Forgiveness granted my brother. :highfive

Ron 06-12-2015 12:17 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1378163)
Dungeon and Dragons? World of Witchcraft? I live in Fort Lauderdale, games are the least their problems down here. :heeheehee

I wish God called me to the land of cornbread and butter milk, or honey butter and scones.

Someone has to preach in Nineveh.
Amen Brother, & be in the will of God!
While the Will of God is always right & fulfilling, it isn't always fun at least to the flesh!:thumbsup

Ron 06-12-2015 12:20 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1378174)
Warcraft kind of indicates that someone or something is getting killed?

I can't see Apostolic youth playing it and it being a good thing. The brother who comes to Bible study says he witnesses through the game? Still have no idea how that is achieved through a video game on line. I was told they are able to talk to other players? But if people are getting killed, by guns, arrows, incantation???? Plus ghouls? Magic jewelry? I don't know, but I think War Craft must be an indicator that something not Apostolic is happening. I have no time to talk about games with people who come to the Bible study, and the other people at the people study weren't interested in the brother talking about the witnessing through the video game. Time proves all things, if he keep attending I will find out more about World of Warcraft and how it pertains to godly living.

Thank you beardless for your enormous contribution to this thread and answering my questions. :)
Some years ago, I was on Yahoo games & there was a first person shooter game, where you would be a SWAT Agent shooting bad guys.
It was a crude game, & I wasn't too bad at it, but after shooting a few bad guys, (albeit fake & totally computer generated) I did not feel right about it & quit it.

I mostly enjoy playing solitaire!:thumbsup

amh 06-13-2015 04:36 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
What about Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon though.......

Evang.Benincasa 06-13-2015 05:22 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by amh (Post 1378926)
What about Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon though.......
?

ApostolicKitty 06-15-2015 02:18 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1378929)
?
Two of the most popular games with children ever since the 90's. IMO, not fit for Christians anymore than World of Warcraft....and I stand by calling that game "World of Witchcraft."

Evang.Benincasa 06-15-2015 03:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty (Post 1379275)
Two of the most popular games with children ever since the 90's. IMO, not fit for Christians anymore than World of Warcraft....and I stand by calling that game "World of Witchcraft."
Sister I had the brother show me World of Warcraft, and walk me through it while he explained. I saw no benefit in using this as a vehicle to preach the Gospel. I asked how many has he seen converted? He said no one, but he has planted seeds. I then asked how many seeds have been planted in you since you been playing this game? His eyebrow went up, eyes got big, and all he said was "whoa."

Praxeas 06-15-2015 07:51 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1378534)
Does Tjjjj think he is Utah Blain?
Maybe he's Mormon...

ApostolicKitty 06-16-2015 11:50 AM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1379282)
Sister I had the brother show me World of Warcraft, and walk me through it while he explained. I saw no benefit in using this as a vehicle to preach the Gospel. I asked how many has he seen converted? He said no one, but he has planted seeds. I then asked how many seeds have been planted in you since you been playing this game? His eyebrow went up, eyes got big, and all he said was "whoa."

Exactly!

I used to play Doom at a job I worked at in the 90's. All of us did, especially the boss. It was a work hard/play hard atmosphere... but I had to stop playing that game.

Evang.Benincasa 06-16-2015 02:29 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty (Post 1379414)
Exactly!

I used to play Doom at a job I worked at in the 90's. All of us did, especially the boss. It was a work hard/play hard atmosphere... but I had to stop playing that game.
Doom?

I know a lot of "stuff" but the gamer world I have no idea....

ApostolicKitty 06-16-2015 03:46 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1379427)
Doom?

I know a lot of "stuff" but the gamer world I have no idea....
Doom is (or was) a game where you shoot monsters. Seems innocent enough, but you are also bombarded with satanic imagery.

Esaias 06-16-2015 03:49 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Whatever happened to chess?

Oh wait, that would actually encourage THINKING and we can't have the kids doing THAT, now can we?

Praxeas 06-16-2015 05:22 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by amh (Post 1378926)
What about Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon though.......
Yu-Gi-Oh...is about a boy who get's possessed by the 6000 year old spirit of an Egyptian Pharaoh named Yami....isn't that Japanese?

Praxeas 06-16-2015 05:23 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Castle Wolfenstein, Quake, Doom, Unreal...

Evang.Benincasa 06-16-2015 09:51 PM
Re: Games, Books & Entertainment
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1379447)
Yu-Gi-Oh...is about a boy who get's possessed by the 6000 year old spirit of an Egyptian Pharaoh named Yami....isn't that Japanese?
Wow, and when I was a child I used to play with plastic soldiers?


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