Helping Chinese, other believers?
 

Besides prayer and just giving money to "charitable groups", how can we help Christians in China and other non-permissive countries? Short of actually going there (not possible in my situation at present)?

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Anyone?

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I live in a somewhat restricted country, so perhaps I can speak to it a little. Perhaps try to make contact with someone there, encourage them, email them, etc. Find out what's appropriate, as they may be subject to email monitoring or something, but having someone on the outside knowing you exist is pretty nice. Showing kindness to their family, sending them a gift that's not religious are some things that come to mind.

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http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...ord/Tcotta.jpg

Here is a picture of Brother David Banta (yellow shirt), a Chinese gentlemen, and some liberal short guy. Anyway, Brother Banta has baptized more Chinese in Jesus name then anyone I have heard of yet. Get a hold of him if you want to help the Chinese people get some Jesus name in their lives. :)

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The church practices both adult baptism and infant baptism, with closed communion. Speaking in tongues is practiced and usually occurs as a group act.

We have had dealings with this Church in the past & yes, they do believe in "infant baptism" not dedication, or blessing babies, but "infant baptism."

For that reason alone, (there are others) I would not support this group.
The Church in China is mainly underground & not part of any mainstream
organization.
That being said, I believe that the Church in China has a strong burden for the Church in the West as, for the most part, it is backslid!

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I recognize that short liberal! lol

I've been looking online but cannot find any way to get ahold of brother Banta. Does he have a website?

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:thumbsup

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TJC does practice Infant Baptism, and tongues can only be done in the prayer group.

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http://reclaimkids.org/our-people/

Here is his sister and brother in law, David and Bonnie Ward. They will hook you up with him. :)

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Yes, & they are Sabatarians as well!

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That isn't an issue, lots of Apostolics are Sabbath keepers, but my problem is the infant baptism and they don't eat catfish. :)

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True, one can keep it, just not preach it as doctrine.
Paul made that clear in the NT in Colossians 2:16
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:":thumbsup

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I give to Voice Of The Martyrs. At this time I dont know of another way of helping them except to pray. They have been in my prayer rotation for many years.

It would be great to find a full gospel Church or ministry to connect with.

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Thank you. I sent them an email.

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I might be able to get you into contact with Jenny Miller (if you've heard of her?)

Otherwise, a very pragmatic approach, though general in scope, is to outreach a state university. There is likely a huge population of foreign students, of which, many will be from China. Of those, almost none will have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or even the reality of God's existence. They are ripe for harvest.

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Hmm... evangelizing the PLA? lol

Who is Jenny Miller? A missionary or activist?

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This Jenny Miller? http://www.elijahlist.com/words/disp...d.html?ID=1965


QUOTE:
I want to share with you a testimony about a community in Kenya, Africa. In this particular community children really didn't have much value in the church. Of course, in theory they did, but not in actuality. I had the privilege of spending a few months serving the leaders of this community. I began to share with them God's vision for the children and youth being released in this hour.

Children Growing in Love and Authority

At the same time I began to strategically disciple some of the children and youth. God began to totally transform these kids and they grew in love and authority. God began to really put his hand of favor on these kids and the spiritual leaders of the region finally decided that there might actually be something to this. So the local pastors fellowship invited me to train 600 children (who were representatives of all the different churches in town). These kids were simply taught the undiluted gospel.

We had no curriculum, no crafts, no puppets. I had such fear of God that I was not to serve them a watered down gospel - but rather a gospel of purity and power. While we trained the children, we also trained all the adult leaders in the city (pastors, Sunday school teachers, etc.) - imparting to them God's heart for inter-generational unity. At the end of the training we had a service where all the local bishops and pastors gathered to publicly and prophetically hand the keys of the city over to the children, thereby inviting them into every level of ministry.

A Black Poisonous Snake Fell from the Sky

It was a very powerful time. Shortly after, while in a service, a black poisonous snake fell from the sky right out of nowhere and landed on the pulpit. It materialized; there was no way it could have dropped from anywhere that we were meeting. The men quickly jumped up and killed it and instantly I understood what had just taken place. You see, there is a power that is distributed when we walk in unity. As the children were released and truly invited in - the demonic stronghold over that area was broken. I believe the falling snake served as a prophetic demonstration of that stronghold coming down. From that day forward, everything began to change in the city.

Teams of children went into the marketplace, prisons, schools, and shared the gospel with such an amazing authority. Thousands got saved, healed, and delivered. They went into the hospitals and prayed for the sick. They didn't have fancy prayer ... they just had childlike faith. So many people were healed that the hospital was able to clear entire wards.

Hospitals Shut Down!

We had the privilege of leading many of the doctors and nurses to the Lord. In fact, this went on for some time that the largest private hospital in town had to shut down because they didn't have enough patients to stay in business. The children would pick a law in the government that was not just. They would begin to fast and pray until heaven was moved and the law changed. They began to cry out for transformation in their cities and as the fathers walked beside them they began to see it. In fact they're still seeing unbelievable city transformation because of their simple faith and devotion.

I know of 12 year-olds that are helping to do church-planting, six year-olds that are moving in the anointing of prophets, and 16 year olds that are functioning is apostolic roles. We get so excited to hear this about foreign nations but what if I told you that these children might just emerge from your own church? Does that change things? Are we making room for them? We want new wine but are we willing to re-fashion the old wine skins?
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Is that who you are talking about?

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I don't know what you mean by "PLA"?

Jenny Miller is a retired missionary to China, with many contacts in the underground Apostolic Church. She lives about an hour from me. She was sent through this church years ago:

http://www.theoakcreekchurch.com/

She is mentioned in this thread:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...?t=4363&page=1

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No.

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Okay, glad to know she's not that other person.

Perhaps you can have her email me, or join here and pm me?

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You are welcome!

Tell Brother Banta I said hello. :)

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Is Bro. Banta the UPC missionary to China?

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He was the missionary to South Korea, and then went to China. He was UPCI his whole life. I think he is no longer UPC, but I really don't know. I haven't chatted with him for a couple of years.

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The best way?

well, I would suggest you get a file on your computer that' says
"financial and personal information"

then put the plan of salvation in that file....


then wait... the Chinese will eventually find it.

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:happydance

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I have a friend in China and she and her husband are actively teaching and ministering to the Chinese. They are actually looking for a preacher to come and help them teach and witness to the Chinese about the infilling of the spirit. If you want more info, please PM me and I will give you the contact info.

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Here contact Brother David Ward, he is the brother in law of Brother David Banta. http://reclaimkids.org/our-people/

He can help you. :)