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Aquila 06-19-2015 10:36 AM

GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/gops-ran...tax-1434587746

Originalist 06-19-2015 01:35 PM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
Good.

Aquila 06-22-2015 07:04 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
His plan is quite bold. I like it.

n david 06-22-2015 09:51 AM

It is. Unfortunately, I doubt it will be seriously considered.

Pressing-On 06-22-2015 10:51 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1379855)
It is. Unfortunately, I doubt it will be seriously considered.

I doubt it as well. Cruz and Perry also wanting a Flat Tax. With the current issues pertaining to the IRS, I think it is wise to try and find a fix. Talking about it enough might, eventually, bring some change - hopefully.

n david 06-22-2015 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1379860)
I doubt it as well. Cruz and Perry also wanting a Flat Tax. With the current issues pertaining to the IRS, I think it is wise to try and find a fix. Talking about it enough might, eventually, bring some change - hopefully.

They've been talking about it for a long time and have done nothing. Wasn't Ross Perot for a flat tax?

It's like entitlements: they make too good an election issue to actually change.

Pressing-On 06-22-2015 11:44 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1379862)
They've been talking about it for a long time and have done nothing. Wasn't Ross Perot for a flat tax?

It's like entitlements: they make too good an election issue to actually change.

Yes, I am wary of campaign promises. I just believe the people, under this Administration, have seen in the most egregious light, the horrible and overreaching power of the IRS.

We can only want to believe, under the US Constitution, we could do something about it.

I've only seen the bullet points to Rand's Flat Tax Plan. My first impression is that you could eliminate these things from what we have now.

The main point that will be addressed is that the Middle Class will be hit more than the rich - and that is a bad narrative for the Republicans.

What I would want is someone to talk about every single issue that would be involved in making the change - to begin at point A - How will the thousands and thousands of government workers find other employment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4oK3j9sdKY

Originalist 06-22-2015 07:17 PM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1379863)
Yes, I am wary of campaign promises. I just believe the people, under this Administration, have seen in the most egregious light, the horrible and overreaching power of the IRS.

We can only want to believe, under the US Constitution, we could do something about it.

I've only seen the bullet points to Rand's Flat Tax Plan. My first impression is that you could eliminate these things from what we have now.

The main point that will be addressed is that the Middle Class will be hit more than the rich - and that is a bad narrative for the Republicans.

What I would want is someone to talk about every single issue that would be involved in making the change - to begin at point A - How will the thousands and thousands of government workers find other employment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4oK3j9sdKY


Where the government employees at the IRS have to go to find honest work rather than raping the tax payer and hindering America's global economic competitiveness is the least of my worries.

Praxeas 06-22-2015 08:17 PM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1379711)
GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/gops-ran...tax-1434587746

No thanks....

Originalist 06-22-2015 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1379887)
No thanks....

Your alternative?

Esaias 06-22-2015 09:16 PM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
How bout we just follow the Constitution as intended and abolish income tax altogether? It's like after being robbed at gunpoint for 20-40% of your income everyone is all gung ho for a guy who says "Hey, we'll just stick you up for 14.5%, how's that?"

We get what we deserve.

Pressing-On 06-22-2015 09:38 PM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1379885)
Where the government employees at the IRS have to go to find honest work rather than raping the tax payer and hindering America's global economic competitiveness is the least of my worries.

We have a huge system in place. It would only be logical to think it through on how we could make the adjustment. A very HUGE amount of unemployed people wouldn't be good for America. I would be concerned for my fellow Americans who are only getting a job with the government because they need a job and the job was available to them.

I haven't heard what anyone would do about these people.

Esaias 06-24-2015 12:45 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1379897)
We have a huge system in place. It would only be logical to think it through on how we could make the adjustment. A very HUGE amount of unemployed people wouldn't be good for America. I would be concerned for my fellow Americans who are only getting a job with the government because they need a job and the job was available to them.

I haven't heard what anyone would do about these people.

A large part could go to work in their nearest state jail, making license plates for sale to foreign countries that like to keep title on their subjects' personal vehicles?

Praxeas 06-24-2015 02:37 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1379890)
Your alternative?

Dont tax me

Originalist 06-24-2015 08:21 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1380118)
Dont tax me


You greedy racist! You must be from South Carolina!!

Aquila 06-24-2015 09:35 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
It would take a Constitutional Amendment to get rid of the Federal Income Tax. Sadly, I don't see this happening. Therefore, I think a Flat Tax is the best option until passing a Constitutional Amendment abolishing the Federal Income Tax is possible.

Pressing-On 06-24-2015 11:15 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1380147)
It would take a Constitutional Amendment to get rid of the Federal Income Tax. Sadly, I don't see this happening. Therefore, I think a Flat Tax is the best option until passing a Constitutional Amendment abolishing the Federal Income Tax is possible.

The Flat Tax would begin to downsize the IRS. That is a good step.

Pressing-On 06-24-2015 11:18 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1380107)
A large part could go to work in their nearest state jail, making license plates for sale to foreign countries that like to keep title on their subjects' personal vehicles?

I know regular people who work for the IRS. It is just a job. They aren't on the level of a Lois Lerner - who I am in favor of putting to work making license plates. Taxes are the law of the land, and the majority of the employees are working to pay their bills.

Aquila 06-25-2015 06:22 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1380158)
The Flat Tax would begin to downsize the IRS. That is a good step.

Amen.

Jito463 06-26-2015 12:00 PM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1379891)
How bout we just follow the Constitution as intended and abolish income tax altogether? It's like after being robbed at gunpoint for 20-40% of your income everyone is all gung ho for a guy who says "Hey, we'll just stick you up for 14.5%, how's that?"

We get what we deserve.

The Constitution does not have any stipulation against an income tax. In fact, one could argue that the call for the "general welfare" (not to be confused with the welfare state) is grounds for exercising an income tax. However, I am all for an alternative system to income tax. I'm not sure this is the best solution, but I'd love to at least see one be seriously considered by congress.

Remember, the American Revolution was *NOT* about taxation, it was about taxation with *NO* representation.

Mind you, I think we're nearing a point where one could argue we're almost there again.

Originalist 06-26-2015 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jito463 (Post 1380445)
The Constitution does not have any stipulation against an income tax. In fact, one could argue that the call for the "general welfare" (not to be confused with the welfare state) is grounds for exercising an income tax. However, I am all for an alternative system to income tax. I'm not sure this is the best solution, but I'd love to at least see one be seriously considered by congress.

Remember, the American Revolution was *NOT* about taxation, it was about taxation with *NO* representation.

Mind you, I think we're nearing a point where one could argue we're almost there again.


Actually until the ratification of the 16th amendment in 1913, income tax was illegal per the Constitution. The General Welfare clause only applies to the powers specifically enumerated to the Federal Government by the States in the Constitution.

Praxeas 06-26-2015 07:46 PM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1380137)
You greedy racist! You must be from South Carolina!!

It's funny...you complain about someone here calling you a racists, then you call me a greedy racist.

Jito463 06-29-2015 12:46 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1380447)
Actually until the ratification of the 16th amendment in 1913, income tax was illegal per the Constitution. The General Welfare clause only applies to the powers specifically enumerated to the Federal Government by the States in the Constitution.

That's not entirely accurate. Prior to 1913, an income tax would have been considered a direct tax, and would have been required to be enumerated based on the census population data. After 1913, it was classified an indirect tax, and exempted from that qualification. It was not, however, illegal prior to that. Unless I misread something, in which case, feel free to point out the error to me. I won't be offended.

As to the General Welfare clause, I concur wholeheartedly. The greatest problem with our government right now, is that 'We the People' are not holding our representatives accountable, and letting them run ramshod over their Constitutional limitations.

Aquila 07-24-2015 08:39 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
After all I've read... this is still the best tax plan I've seen out of the Presidential candidates as of yet.

Fionn mac Cumh 07-24-2015 09:12 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
The time is ripe for a flat tax. Give me all of my paycheck.

Esaias 07-24-2015 10:51 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh (Post 1384714)
The time is ripe for a flat tax. Give me all of my paycheck.

The time is ripe for no tax. The very fact money is printed with no backing other than government decree proves taxes are a scam.

Pressing-On 07-24-2015 11:03 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1384727)
The time is ripe for no tax. The very fact money is printed with no backing other than government decree proves taxes are a scam.

Take it down easy, take it down slow - you have to start somewhere. Flat Tax, which everyone is basically supporting - is the place to start.

This isn't Rand Paul's idea.

Aquila 07-24-2015 11:48 AM

Re: GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax
 
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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1384727)
The time is ripe for no tax. The very fact money is printed with no backing other than government decree proves taxes are a scam.

:thumbsup


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