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I admire Israel for simply being the more normal nation in the region. But are Christians and Gentile nations required to support Israel? I'm not asking if we should be against Israel, as I do not think we should.. I'm asking if we must support Israel. Can we be neutral?

This video exposes allot of error in Christians circles concerning support for Israel. I am not crazy about the producer, but there is still good food for thought...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_Hu1hcsa4

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Zionists are people who think Israel has a right to their land without God having anything to do with it. There are religious Zionists who bring God into the picture, but Zionism itself is not religious.

The reason preachers say we ought to support Israel due to Zionist reasons is wrong. They argue that God considers Israel the apple of His eye, when in fact that refers solely to Israel serving God. The New Testament was for Israel and Judah (Jer 31:31), and God led Israel out of the old into the new with only a remnant. But as far as God is concerned, the remnant is the deal. Gentiles were brought into the covenant for the first time (Eph 2) and engrafted onto the Israelite olive tree. So Israel is now New Covenant people in God's eyes.

When Abraham and his seed were given the promises, Paul clearly stated God said SEED singular, and not plural. He said JESUS is that seed. And anyone in Christ is therefore part of the seed and recipients of the promises. So, the promise to be blessed if we bless Abraham's seed, or to be cursed if we curse Abraham's seed, applies to CHRIST. These preachers who claim we ought to bless natural Israel because they are Abraham's seed must be absolutely unaware of Paul's teachings about the promises and the seed. Galatians 4 teaches natural Jews are like ISHMAEL and Christians are like ISAAC, if the natural Jew does not believe in Christ. In other words, the church of Jews and Gentiles are more Israelite than natural Jews that are not saved. Paul even stated that anyone under law is under a curse, meaning Israelites serving God in Judaic Law are not blessed whatsoever (Gal 3:10).

Now, this issue regards the natural nation Israel. Should we support them? I say yes, but not because of spiritual reasons. Not because the Bible says blessing the seed gives us a blessing, -- we're already blessed and WE are the seed if we are in Christ.

But we should support Israel because they're democratic and there are no other democracies in that crazy part of the world.

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Amen. Good post.

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I wrote a little facbook study on this very issue just over a year ago.

Are We Blessed For Supporting Israel? (Yes, but not because of what you might think!)

Recently a lot of the buzz on the internet, and primarily Facebook, that I have noticed, is speaking about God blessing Canada due to Harper's statement to stand for Israel. I feel to address this issue with the Bible's statements about it.

Yes, Israel should be supported. Mainly, because God does have a special place in his heart for the nation (Rom 11:28). They are beloved for the Israelite fathers' sakes, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Secondly, because they are the only democratic nation in that part of the world.

But most believers point to these words spoken to Abraham to say God will bless us for supporting them:

Gen 12:2-3 KJV And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: (3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

That cannot be applied to Israel in this instance. Notice the last part of verse 3. All the families of the earth shall be blessed because of Abraham. How was that fulfilled? What does the bible itself say?

Act 3:25-26 KJV Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. (26) Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

The apostles told the Jews that the manner in which God would bless all the nations of the earth is by sending Jesus Christ, His Son, TO THE JEWS, themselves, FIRST. That is how God would not only bless all nations, but first bless the Jews.

And all the nations are now able to be saved from sin by Jesus, and receive all blessings THROUGH CHRIST.

Eph 1:3 KJV Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Notice the last two words IN CHRIST.

So, when God spoke to Abraham about the blessings for those who bless him and the cruses upon those who curse him, God was pointing to JESUS CHRIST as the means. In short, deny Christ and be cursed. Accept Christ and be blessed.

And Paul the apostle really made this plain when he quoted those words to Abraham:

Gal 3:8 KJV And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The GOSPEL was the means by which the nations would be blessed. So, it's not just supporting Israel that brings that blessing, but accepting Christ who came through Abraham's people, Israel, and thereby being blessed.

And the bible says something very enlightening about those people of Israel that do not accept Christ.

Gal 3:9-10 KJV So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. (10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Anyone who is "of" the works of the Law of the Old Covenant cannot be blessed but instead is beneath a curse!

Gal 3:13-14 KJV Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (14) That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The only way the nations can be blessed, is to be redeemed from the curse, not to stop cursing Israel. And that gives nobody a right to curse Israel, though. lol. But the point is that the New Testament explains how we are blessed because of what God said to Abraham ONLY THROUGH SALVATION IN THE GOSPEL, and NOT BY SUPPORTING ISRAEL AS A NATION TODAY.

So, support Israel, but not to be blessed of God. Support Israel because it is democratic and God knows that part of the world needs democracy. But look for for your blessings from Israel by accepting and obeying the Gospel of Jesus through Whom all the nations of the earth WILL BE BLESSED!

Many believers do not know that most of Israel is not even following the Law of Moses nor serving God under Old Testament ways. . And those who are are under the law are under a curse according to the New Testament . Read Gal 3:8-13 again.

Don't let Israel or anything else replace the cross. Through the CROSS we are blessed with Abraham's blessings.

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I believe we should support an ally when the ally breaks rules concerning human rights.

https://www.hrw.org/middle-east/n-af...rael/palestine

What people tend to forget because they see Israel as some sacred cow and therefore unable to be criticise a country which has ignored 66 U.N. Resolutions.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries...n-territories/

Now, this is all political, and that's fine, whatever dog you have in this fight let'em loose. But as Elder Blume has beautifully put, and if I may use my own words to say it, this isn't a Biblical issue but a political one.

If you want to cheer for Modern day Israel or anyone else in the Middle East, I maybe would ask why?

I just want .99 a gallon gas

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:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

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Amen good points. If Israel commits war crimes, that cannot be brushed beneath the carpet as though they're God's people so don't look at that. Being democratic does not excuse any war crimes they commit.

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Amen, and all that is political, being done by a nation trying to do whatever they see fit to keep their power. Just like any other country would try to do if it felt threaten by an opposing force. But as far as they being the same group we find in the Bible for that to be the reason then no. It is not their manifest destiny to keep their property by any means necessary. So, therefore it is not our duty as Christians to blindly follow and support Israel. Pray for them to come to Jesus Christ, and convert. :)

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Agreed.

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Well folks if someone knocked on your door holding the Torah and said, "this book says your property is mine." What would you do?

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How about if someone knocked on your door wearing moccasins said where you were living was his property?

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Romans 11:28

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.[/B]

We need not support them in everything they do neither should we forget they are beloved for the Fathers sakes.

They have been gathered back to Israel for a purpose.

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Trade a pair of Nike's for the property.

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Did you watch the video?

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Umm... what makes you think those people over there are Israelites?

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https://books.google.com/books?id=8_...page&q&f=false

Please read the first few pages of chapter one entitled One Book of the Whole Bible.

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Originalist here is a reading list you might want to look into....

http://www.christianzionism.org/booksn.asp

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNfFDk8KVEY

Stephen Sizer on Christian Zionism

http://www.christianzionism.org/bible.asp

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What does "Support" mean?

I support Israel. I don't support everything Israel does

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But of course, United States has no Biblical precedence, and we have no mandate to support her bad choices which may be outside of our control. ;)

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It means exactly what you posted above. Which makes it pretty plain and simple. :)

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1John ch 2:

[22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
[23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Why would anyone "support" antichrist?

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The modern state of Israel attacked a US naval vessel in 1967. http://www.usslibertyveterans.org

Israel has nuclear weapons and a proven track record of unilateral aggression against other countries.

Israel is no better than any of the other countries over there, and worse than some of them.

No need for us to fight their wars, or give them billions of dollars every year (just like we do the Palestinians, by the way).

Our foreign policy is so messed up it would take Divine Intervention to straighten it out (which it will, also by the way...)

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Our family has supported Israel since it began. I have no idea how many trees we have had planted there.

Our support for Israel has nothing to do with theology. We have Jewish friends and I suppose our support is political or sociological.

No democracy is perfect. Every country has flaws. Such is the nature of humanity.

Israel does have the best human rights record in the middle east. An Arab can hold any political office in the Israeli government. Women's rights are as strong there as they are here.

I watched the last war as it unfolded. I don't think the military could have done anything more to prevent collateral human losses. They went out of there way to warn citizens of Gaza of where the next bomb would fall.

The wall is the only thing that stops terrorist from exploding bombs in Israel. Ever since the wall went up, those bomb attacks almost ceased entirely. Walls are unsocial, but effective for minimizing risk to citizen safety.

The human rights noise I hear on the political winds is nothing short of antisemitism. Syria uses chlorine gas as a weapon and everybody looks the other way.

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Israelites are not a race, and anyone can become an American in the same manner.

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Israelites, strictly speaking, are the biological descendants of Jacob.

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"And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast
thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed."

The descendants ONLY according to the flesh (natural realm) received the name change;

The descendants according to the promise (spiritual realm) are receiving the BLESSING!

"And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore
is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he BLESSED HIM THERE."

For those who have not yet understood, this correlates with the scripture found in Romans:
"For whosoever calls upon the NAME of the Lord SHALL BE saved."

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USS Liberty my father in law Lt. Col Sherman Pratt attended the funeral Captain William L. McGonagle when he was buried at Arlington cemetery. Israel deliberately attacked an unarmed United States naval vessel. This story is virtually unknown to Americans.

http://www.gtr5.com/summary_of_events.htm

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...ssliberty.html

http://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-a...-26-years.html

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ussliberty.html

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Yes, but would never pass the test required by Ezra in Ezra 2:59-62.
Hence they are not the people of the Book as the Quran, Islam and Dispensationalists claim.
I showed that to some Muslims which I was Bible studying and one got some understanding, while the other four had a melt down, you would of thought I mixed pig guts in their cheerios.

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Israelites and "Israel" as used in the NT are not exactly the same thing. Not all Israelites are counted as being part of Israel. This was true in the OT, as well, by the way.

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Hence a remnant the ἐκκλησία are those who are a called out congregation. If anyone could see that they wouldn't be pining after modern day physical Israel. It is about grace not race, and therefore once someone realizes that modern day Israel is a country just like Monaco, with no Biblical affiliation whatsoever, they begin to place the ancient Israel in her proper setting, and modern Israel in her proper setting. Modern day Israel needs to be evangelized with the Apostolic truth, and not ignored because some doctrine teaches that they are unconditionally saved.

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If someone wants to support Israel let them do it with the money out of their own pocket.

I don't think we should send money to ANY nation.

Same thing with any other cause. You want to save the world? Use your own money.

Don't force all US citizens to fund your personal projects!

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You must have read that anti-free trade isolationist George Washington's Farewell Address. Such views are no longer politically correct, and will eventually be declared a mental illness, like anti-soviet thinking disorder was...

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Could you please explain why we shouldn't aid another country's growth as a partner and ally? Not saying I'm agreeing that we should support other countries with monies from taxpayers, just want to know your reasons not to do so. Please examine the chart carefully then give your answer. :)

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/u...oreign-aid.png

Exodus 12:48 says anyone who joined law keeping is as one born in the land.

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Yes.

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Why?

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That does not change anybody's DNA. It just means they are naturalized citizens.

EDIT: Correction, it just means they may eat the Passover, as any circumcised Israelite could.