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Jermyn Davidson 08-12-2015 07:16 AM
Moving To Cleveland!
 
My days in Florida are waning as I have decided to move to Cleveland, OH for a job promotion.

I would appreciate your prayers as this move is proving to be quite stressful.

It seems next to impossible to say goodbye to everyone down here.

I know no one in Cleveland but I do plan to VISIT the Church of Pentecost in Cleveland once I get there.

I am pretty sure I wouldn't be able to (in good faith) join that church, but I'll never forget my Apostolic roots.

returnman 08-12-2015 07:45 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Best of everything. You are making a radical change in a few ways. That first winter is going to be a rough one. You can get on the CAV bandwagon and root for Labron. Let us know how it goes.

Evang.Benincasa 08-12-2015 02:15 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386581)
I am pretty sure I wouldn't be able to (in good faith) join that church, but I'll never forget my Apostolic roots.
Looks like you moved away from far more than just the beautiful Southland. :heeheehee

CC1 08-12-2015 06:38 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386581)
My days in Florida are waning as I have decided to move to Cleveland, OH for a job promotion.

I would appreciate your prayers as this move is proving to be quite stressful.

It seems next to impossible to say goodbye to everyone down here.

I know no one in Cleveland but I do plan to VISIT the Church of Pentecost in Cleveland once I get there.

I am pretty sure I wouldn't be able to (in good faith) join that church, but I'll never forget my Apostolic roots.
Are you going to visit the main campus or the Brunswick one? Why do you say you are pretty sure you wouldn't be able to (in good faith) join that church? I thought you were a born again UPCer?

Jermyn Davidson 08-13-2015 06:19 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1386621)
Looks like you moved away from far more than just the beautiful Southland. :heeheehee
I have.

With my moving away from the Oneness Pentecostals, I've found that I am generally a better human being.

The open and honest fellowship I've been able to enjoy since leaving the Oneness Pentecostals has been great and my life isn't marked by a pattern of Sunday night highs and midweek secret sins.

However, I've lost the fervent prayer life that I developed while being Apostolic.

And I don't read my Bible as consistently as I once did. I still pray and read, but I honestly admit I am not consistent with my personal devotions.

Despite my lack of consistent personal devotions, I am living a better Christian life now.

Jermyn Davidson 08-13-2015 06:21 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1386636)
Are you going to visit the main campus or the Brunswick one? Why do you say you are pretty sure you wouldn't be able to (in good faith) join that church? I thought you were a born again UPCer?
I was born and raised Apostolic (not UPCI).

I joined the UPCI at 19 when stationed in Okinawa.

Stayed with the UPCI when stationed in Jacksonville, NC and when I initially left Active Duty to move to the Orlando, FL area.

I stopped attending UPCI churches a few years ago when I wanted my life to match what I believed.

I will visit the W. 32nd St campus as I will probably be living within the city limits of Cleveland proper.

J.A. Perez 08-13-2015 10:13 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386647)

However, I've lost the fervent prayer life that I developed while being Apostolic.

And I don't read my Bible as consistently as I once did. I still pray and read, but I honestly admit I am not consistent with my personal devotions.

Despite my lack of consistent personal devotions, I am living a better Christian life now.
Every time I have talked to anyone that has walked away from the apostolic church, or started to change into a leftward lean, this is at the root.

Thank you for the honest warning.

Because how can you get closer to God outside of prayer and reading your bible? How can you be a better Christian lest we get closer to him?

Sorry just couldn't help responding. Much respect. Jermyn

If I was u if go to the church in Akron pastor Don Meade

navygoat1998 08-13-2015 10:26 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.A. Perez (Post 1386655)
Every time I have talked to anyone that has walked away from the apostolic church, or started to change into a leftward lean, this is at the root.

Thank you for the honest warning.

Because how can you get closer to God outside of prayer and reading your bible? How can you be a better Christian lest we get closer to him?

Sorry just couldn't help responding. Much respect. Jermyn

If I was u if go to the church in Akron pastor Don Meade
Not all of us that have left the movement fit into that category.

When my wife and I left, I destined in my heart that I would not be a "backslid Pentecostal" and by the grace of our God, He has kept His word to me and has been faithful in my race.

Jermyn Davidson 08-13-2015 11:26 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.A. Perez (Post 1386655)
Every time I have talked to anyone that has walked away from the apostolic church, or started to change into a leftward lean, this is at the root.

Thank you for the honest warning.

Because how can you get closer to God outside of prayer and reading your bible? How can you be a better Christian lest we get closer to him?

Sorry just couldn't help responding. Much respect. Jermyn

If I was u if go to the church in Akron pastor Don Meade
Here's more honesty.

When I left, I still had the fervent prayer life. Consistent Bible reading was always a struggle, but I did it. It was a matter of discipline, but it was also a matter of "OH NO! If I don't read my Bible today, it's the beginning of the end I'm about to backslide." Now with my prayer life, I wanted to pray and enjoyed the fellowship of God and with the saints in corporate and private prayer and it does bother me that I don't have the same prayer life.

I want that back.

But I am not on the precipice of hell fire because I am not praying 30 minutes a day every day.


Now more honesty.

Even while praying, reading and fasting, my life was marked by secret sins-- sins so serious that it defies all logic that a Holy Ghost filled Apostolic would ever be in a situation where they are battling such thoughts and actions.

But I couldn't talk with anyone about it. I couldn't tell anyone about it. I tried and jokes were made. I tried and the person in leadership dismissed what I was going through as a simple, "attack of the enemy". When I tried to continue the dialogue with that local leader, he made it obvious to me he was not comfortable talking privately about the issue and he did not direct me to anyone else.

There was no one to walk with me out of the deep trouble I was in. No one. So ultimately, I didn't have true fellowship with anyone because I couldn't be honest and true with them.

The Apostolics were just not prepared to deal with a person who was saved but still had a serious sin issue that needed to be dealt with-- openly, with patience and meekness.

So I kept my secret sins to myself (telling the Lord but no one else), crying at the altar at the end of every service, but falling every week or two to the same sin. Not once did I ever think the sin was ok, right, and I was always broken over the sin. It defied my identity as an Apostolic Christian.

My life made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

So I went to a place where my life would make sense.

Those people didn't have every Christian doctrine down pat-- but they sure did LOVE on me with the LOVE of Christ.

They LOVED me and confirmed their love towards me through their approachableness and willingness to listen, not judge, and pray with me. I have true accountability partners now, that KNOW me and love me just the way I am as the Lord forms His Likeness in me! I never had that in all my years as being an Apostolic. Remember, I was raised in this. My Dad is an ordained Bishop in his Apostolic organization. For a long time, Oneness Pentecostalism is all I ever knew.

With the A/G church I now attend, I have been able to be open and honest, sharing with them the childhood roots of my "then" current struggles.

They didn't minimize anything. They didn't tell me I wasn't saved. They agreed with me that I was in a dangerous place, but not out of reach of our Savior! They accepted and dealt with me as a repentant brother in Christ that was caught in a cycle of secret sin. Only the sin wasn't a secret between us.

The ability to confess and be real with TRUE HOLY GHOST FILLED CHRISTIANS is the key to helping me live an overcoming life.

I'm not perfect, but GOD IS MY WITNESS I AM LIVING SUCH A BETTER CHRISTIAN LIFE today! It is the truth!

I'm not conquered by sin every week, or every couple of weeks, or every month. The cycle of sin was broken when I started attending a church where I could be honest with people about what was going on without fear of ridicule and rejection.

So, I'm not running the aisles like I used to. But away from the church services, I am running the Christian race with victory, living a Christian life that makes more sense.

I won't give that up for anything in the world! I know my life has changed tremendously so, for the better, now that I am a real person with real relationships with real people. I am living real Christianity.

I don't pray 30 minutes a day like I used to, but I still pray.
I don't read my Bible like I used to, but I do still read.
Yes there is plenty of room for me to grow in these areas.


I want to attend a church where if I am struggling in a certain area, I can find fellowship with other brothers and sisters and together overcome each challenge by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.

But it is hard to have a testimony among people you can't be real with.

Besides, when you really look at the scriptures WITHOUT ADDING ANYTHING TO THEM, salvation is by faith that comes before, concurrently or after water baptism, and the Holy Spirit baptism is a PROMISE to all those who are already saved, who already believe.

So not only do the Oneness Pentecostals not have every Biblical doctrine down pat, so many of them APPEAR unapproachable and un-real.

So deciding to go visit an Apostolic church once I move to Cleveland could possibly be a bad decision. However, I have thought and prayed about it and I think I should at least go and visit.

Despite their shortcomings, I know they are a people of prayer, usually. If it wasn't for that, the Oneness Pentecostals wouldn't have much of anything going for them at all. Their corporate prayer is what makes the difference in their services, their singing, their sermons. If they ever lose that, they'll be useless cause they definitely fall short in the other Christian areas.

navygoat1998 08-13-2015 11:39 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386658)
Here's more honesty.

When I left, I still had the fervent prayer life. Consistent Bible reading was always a struggle, but I did it. It was a matter of discipline, but it was also a matter of "OH NO! If I don't read my Bible today, it's the beginning of the end I'm about to backslide." Now with my prayer life, I wanted to pray and enjoyed the fellowship of God and with the saints in corporate and private prayer and it does bother me that I don't have the same prayer life.

I want that back.

But I am not on the precipice of hell fire because I am not praying 30 minutes a day every day.


Now more honesty.

Even while praying, reading and fasting, my life was marked by secret sins-- sins so serious that it defies all logic that a Holy Ghost filled Apostolic would ever be in a situation where they are battling such thoughts and actions.

But I couldn't talk with anyone about it. I couldn't tell anyone about it. I tried and jokes were made. I tried and the person in leadership dismissed what I was going through as a simple, "attack of the enemy". When I tried to continue the dialogue with that local leader, he made it obvious to me he was not comfortable talking privately about the issue and he did not direct me to anyone else.

There was no one to walk with me out of the deep trouble I was in. No one. So ultimately, I didn't have true fellowship with anyone because I couldn't be honest and true with them.

The Apostolics were just not prepared to deal with a person who was saved but still had a serious sin issue that needed to be dealt with-- openly, with patience and meekness.

So I kept my secret sins to myself (telling the Lord but no one else), crying at the altar at the end of every service, but falling every week or two to the same sin. Not once did I ever think the sin was ok, right, and I was always broken over the sin. It defied my identity as an Apostolic Christian.

My life made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

So I went to a place where my life would make sense.

Those people didn't have every Christian doctrine down pat-- but they sure did LOVE on me with the LOVE of Christ.

They LOVED me and confirmed their love towards me through their approachableness and willingness to listen, not judge, and pray with me. I have true accountability partners now, that KNOW me and love me just the way I am as the Lord forms His Likeness in me! I never had that in all my years as being an Apostolic. Remember, I was raised in this. My Dad is an ordained Bishop in his Apostolic organization. For a long time, Oneness Pentecostalism is all I ever knew.

With the A/G church I now attend, I have been able to be open and honest, sharing with them the childhood roots of my "then" current struggles.

They didn't minimize anything. They didn't tell me I wasn't saved. They agreed with me that I was in a dangerous place, but not out of reach of our Savior! They accepted and dealt with me as a repentant brother in Christ that was caught in a cycle of secret sin. Only the sin wasn't a secret between us.

The ability to confess and be real with TRUE HOLY GHOST FILLED CHRISTIANS is the key to helping me live an overcoming life.

I'm not perfect, but GOD IS MY WITNESS I AM LIVING SUCH A BETTER CHRISTIAN LIFE today! It is the truth!

I'm not conquered by sin every week, or every couple of weeks, or every month. The cycle of sin was broken when I started attending a church where I could be honest with people about what was going on without fear of ridicule and rejection.

So, I'm not running the aisles like I used to. But away from the church services, I am running the Christian race with victory, living a Christian life that makes more sense.

I won't give that up for anything in the world! I know my life has changed tremendously so, for the better, now that I am a real person with real relationships with real people. I am living real Christianity.

I don't pray 30 minutes a day like I used to, but I still pray.
I don't read my Bible like I used to, but I do still read.
Yes there is plenty of room for me to grow in these areas.


I want to attend a church where if I am struggling in a certain area, I can find fellowship with other brothers and sisters and together overcome each challenge by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.

But it is hard to have a testimony among people you can't be real with.

Besides, when you really look at the scriptures WITHOUT ADDING ANYTHING TO THEM, salvation is by faith that comes before, concurrently or after water baptism, and the Holy Spirit baptism is a PROMISE to all those who are already saved, who already believe.

So not only do the Oneness Pentecostals not have every Biblical doctrine down pat, so many of them APPEAR unapproachable and un-real.

So deciding to go visit an Apostolic church once I move to Cleveland could possibly be a bad decision. However, I have thought and prayed about it and I think I should at least go and visit.

Despite their shortcomings, I know they are a people of prayer, usually. If it wasn't for that, the Oneness Pentecostals wouldn't have much of anything going for them at all. Their corporate prayer is what makes the difference in their services, their singing, their sermons. If they ever lose that, they'll be useless cause they definitely fall short in the other Christian areas.
:thumbsup

CC1 08-13-2015 12:32 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386658)
Here's more honesty.

When I left, I still had the fervent prayer life. Consistent Bible reading was always a struggle, but I did it. It was a matter of discipline, but it was also a matter of "OH NO! If I don't read my Bible today, it's the beginning of the end I'm about to backslide." Now with my prayer life, I wanted to pray and enjoyed the fellowship of God and with the saints in corporate and private prayer and it does bother me that I don't have the same prayer life.

I want that back.

But I am not on the precipice of hell fire because I am not praying 30 minutes a day every day.


Now more honesty.

Even while praying, reading and fasting, my life was marked by secret sins-- sins so serious that it defies all logic that a Holy Ghost filled Apostolic would ever be in a situation where they are battling such thoughts and actions.

But I couldn't talk with anyone about it. I couldn't tell anyone about it. I tried and jokes were made. I tried and the person in leadership dismissed what I was going through as a simple, "attack of the enemy". When I tried to continue the dialogue with that local leader, he made it obvious to me he was not comfortable talking privately about the issue and he did not direct me to anyone else.

There was no one to walk with me out of the deep trouble I was in. No one. So ultimately, I didn't have true fellowship with anyone because I couldn't be honest and true with them.

The Apostolics were just not prepared to deal with a person who was saved but still had a serious sin issue that needed to be dealt with-- openly, with patience and meekness.

So I kept my secret sins to myself (telling the Lord but no one else), crying at the altar at the end of every service, but falling every week or two to the same sin. Not once did I ever think the sin was ok, right, and I was always broken over the sin. It defied my identity as an Apostolic Christian.

My life made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

So I went to a place where my life would make sense.

Those people didn't have every Christian doctrine down pat-- but they sure did LOVE on me with the LOVE of Christ.

They LOVED me and confirmed their love towards me through their approachableness and willingness to listen, not judge, and pray with me. I have true accountability partners now, that KNOW me and love me just the way I am as the Lord forms His Likeness in me! I never had that in all my years as being an Apostolic. Remember, I was raised in this. My Dad is an ordained Bishop in his Apostolic organization. For a long time, Oneness Pentecostalism is all I ever knew.

With the A/G church I now attend, I have been able to be open and honest, sharing with them the childhood roots of my "then" current struggles.

They didn't minimize anything. They didn't tell me I wasn't saved. They agreed with me that I was in a dangerous place, but not out of reach of our Savior! They accepted and dealt with me as a repentant brother in Christ that was caught in a cycle of secret sin. Only the sin wasn't a secret between us.

The ability to confess and be real with TRUE HOLY GHOST FILLED CHRISTIANS is the key to helping me live an overcoming life.

I'm not perfect, but GOD IS MY WITNESS I AM LIVING SUCH A BETTER CHRISTIAN LIFE today! It is the truth!

I'm not conquered by sin every week, or every couple of weeks, or every month. The cycle of sin was broken when I started attending a church where I could be honest with people about what was going on without fear of ridicule and rejection.

So, I'm not running the aisles like I used to. But away from the church services, I am running the Christian race with victory, living a Christian life that makes more sense.

I won't give that up for anything in the world! I know my life has changed tremendously so, for the better, now that I am a real person with real relationships with real people. I am living real Christianity.

I don't pray 30 minutes a day like I used to, but I still pray.
I don't read my Bible like I used to, but I do still read.
Yes there is plenty of room for me to grow in these areas.


I want to attend a church where if I am struggling in a certain area, I can find fellowship with other brothers and sisters and together overcome each challenge by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.

But it is hard to have a testimony among people you can't be real with.

Besides, when you really look at the scriptures WITHOUT ADDING ANYTHING TO THEM, salvation is by faith that comes before, concurrently or after water baptism, and the Holy Spirit baptism is a PROMISE to all those who are already saved, who already believe.

So not only do the Oneness Pentecostals not have every Biblical doctrine down pat, so many of them APPEAR unapproachable and un-real.

So deciding to go visit an Apostolic church once I move to Cleveland could possibly be a bad decision. However, I have thought and prayed about it and I think I should at least go and visit.

Despite their shortcomings, I know they are a people of prayer, usually. If it wasn't for that, the Oneness Pentecostals wouldn't have much of anything going for them at all. Their corporate prayer is what makes the difference in their services, their singing, their sermons. If they ever lose that, they'll be useless cause they definitely fall short in the other Christian areas.
We probably don't agree on much but this has to be your best post here and one I hope some pastors and church leaders will read and take to heart in dealing with folks who are struggling with issues that, regardless of how uncomfortable it may be for a pastor or church, need to be dealt with and not minimized.

Jermyn Davidson 08-13-2015 01:28 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
No, my post is just more liberal, anti-apostolic drivel.

I'm spineless, wishy-washy and was probably never saved anyway.

:)

n david 08-13-2015 01:40 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386676)
No, my post is just more liberal, anti-apostolic drivel.

I'm spineless, wishy-washy and was probably never saved anyway.

:)
You said it, not me!

:toofunny

navygoat1998 08-13-2015 02:12 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386679)
I remember when living in NC being accused by one of the brothers for speaking in "fake tongues". He didn't think I was saved way back then!

Sure it put me on the defensive, but I got over it.
Only Trins speak in fake lounges :heeheehee

Jermyn Davidson 08-13-2015 02:19 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1386680)
Only Trins speak in fake lounges :heeheehee
I deleted that post 'cuz I didn't want to take thread in that direction, rehashing every thing wrong that ever happened while attending a UPCI church. That's not what I remember most about my time with them.

I do miss my times with them.

Evang.Benincasa 08-13-2015 04:13 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386681)
I deleted that post 'cuz I didn't want to take thread in that direction, rehashing every thing wrong that ever happened while attending a UPCI church. That's not what I remember most about my time with them.

I do miss my times with them.
A UPCI church, means one UPCI, so therefore represents 100% of the UPCI churches? I wonder what someone would say if we use that method of judgement for races of people? ;)

Jermyn Davidson 08-13-2015 07:04 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1386688)
A UPCI church, means one UPCI, so therefore represents 100% of the UPCI churches? I wonder what someone would say if we use that method of judgement for races of people? ;)
Sigh.

EB,
I have been a member of several UPCI churches in different parts of the country/world since the age 19 AND I did say I am going to visit one in Cleveland when I get there AND I said I miss the UPCI. I don't think I am judging all UPCI churches the same.

The Lord used the UPCI for a time in my life.
The Lord is using an A/G church right now in my life.
Both churches believe and emphasize the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Evang.Benincasa 08-13-2015 07:29 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386693)
Sigh.

EB,
I have been a member of several UPCI churches in different parts of the country/world since the age 19 AND I did say I am going to visit one in Cleveland when I get there AND I said I miss the UPCI. I don't think I am judging all UPCI churches the same.

The Lord used the UPCI for a time in my life.
The Lord is using an A/G church right now in my life.
Both churches believe and emphasize the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Don't blame Jesus Christ for your poor decisions. The Lord Jesus had nothing to do with you attending an Assembly of God church. Both believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost? One believes Jesus IS GOD, and the other believes Jesus is A god. :heeheehee

Steve Epley 08-13-2015 07:39 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1386696)
Don't blame Jesus Christ for your poor decisions. The Lord Jesus had nothing to do with you attending an Assembly of God church. Both believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost? One believes Jesus IS GOD, and the other believes Jesus is A god. :heeheehee
There are two prodigal stories in the Bible one prodigal was the son in the pig pen the other was the pig in the house. This thought came to me.

TJJJ 08-14-2015 04:28 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1386698)
There are two prodigal stories in the Bible one prodigal was the son in the pig pen the other was the pig in the house. This thought came to me.
HUH?

Years ago Bro Davis from Balch Springs (The Brother Davis that is in Prison now) preached about the prodigal pig. Using a real vague analogy.

There is not a story about the pig in the house.

What Scripture are you using?

I can only find one prodigal story and that is the prodigal son.

CC1 08-14-2015 09:47 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1386774)
HUH?

Years ago Bro Davis from Balch Springs (The Brother Davis that is in Prison now) preached about the prodigal pig. Using a real vague analogy.

There is not a story about the pig in the house.

What Scripture are you using?

I can only find one prodigal story and that is the prodigal son.
In prison???? For what????

Steve Epley 08-14-2015 10:37 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
It happened unto to them as a true proverb. That prodigal.

Jermyn Davidson 08-15-2015 10:02 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1386807)
It happened unto to them as a true proverb. That prodigal.


I'm just glad my testimony has served as a source of inspiration for you Sir.

mfblume 08-15-2015 10:07 AM
There's more to oneness apostolics than a few upci churches. There's upci churches that aren't like that. And there's non upci churches not like that either. Find a oneness apostolic church that doesn't have judgmental ism. i couldn't support a Trinitarian non apostolic work. The truth needs support.

Jermyn Davidson 08-15-2015 10:18 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1386696)
Don't blame Jesus Christ for your poor decisions. The Lord Jesus had nothing to do with you attending an Assembly of God church. Both believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost? One believes Jesus IS GOD, and the other believes Jesus is A god. :heeheehee
I hope you are laughing because you are making a joke and not because you really think the A/G thinks Jesus Christ is a god.

Jermyn Davidson 08-15-2015 10:32 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1386820)
There's more to oneness apostolics than a few upci churches. There's upci churches that aren't like that. And there's non upci churches not like that either. Find a oneness apostolic church that doesn't have judgmental ism. i couldn't support a Trinitarian non apostolic work. The truth needs support.
The desire to overcome that personal struggle was not the only issue I had. I still don't believe every Christian who has never been baptized in the Name of Jesus is going to hell. There are other differences too.

So returning to visit an Apostolic church may not be the best idea for several doctrinal reasons. But maybe I can glance over the differences and focus on the main points of Christianity that we agree on.

The main reason I left was indeed over doctrine. The personal experiences I shared in this thread did happen, but when I left, I decided that my Christianity and life had to match. At that time, it meant joining a church that matched my beliefs a little closer. It also meant that I would have to shed light on the sin problem that had festered because I tried to deal with it alone. That is what I decided would be remarkably different at whatever church I joined.

I also decided to join a church close to where I lived so that I can be a part of the community, sensibly invite others to church, etc.

mfblume 08-15-2015 10:36 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386824)
The desire to overcome that personal struggle was not the only issue I had. I still don't believe every Christian who has never been baptized in the Name of Jesus is going to hell. There are other differences too.

So returning to visit an Apostolic church may not be the best idea for several doctrinal reasons. But maybe I can glance over the differences and focus on the main points of Christianity that we agree on.

The main reason I left was indeed over doctrine. The personal experience I shared in this thread did happen but when I left, I decided that my Christianity and life had to match and the only way for that to happen was to shed light on the sin problem that had festered because I tried to deal with it alone. That is what I decided would be remarkably different at whatever church I joined.

I also decided to join a church close to where I lived so that I can be a part of the community, sensibly invite others to church, etc.
I can appreciate your reasons and concerns and issues. However, supporting a church you know lacks truth is much larger an issue, I think. God can deal with the rest.

Jermyn Davidson 08-15-2015 10:45 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1386825)
I can appreciate your reasons and concerns and issues. However, supporting a church you know lacks truth is much larger an issue, I think. God can deal with the rest.
Maybe you are right, Sir.

But I know what I believe, based on the Bible, and I know that there are a few differences between what I believe and Oneness Pentecostal doctrine. I was thinking that maybe the differences are not insurmountable.

At best, I could attempt fellowship with my brothers and sisters and hope that I never am put in a position where I would have to say something different. Even as I type that though, it doesn't make sense.

My Christian life makes sense now.

But I still miss the Apostolics.

Maybe I need to just leave my Apostolic past in the past, along with the struggle, the heartache, and the sin.

The Christian life should be congruent, consistent.

Steve Epley 08-15-2015 10:53 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Never was the intent of God for the church to change for the penitent but the seeker to change. Folks who can be happy in a Trinity church just don't believe the message. It is very simple. Might be comfortable but sadly lost.

Jermyn Davidson 08-15-2015 10:58 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1386827)
Never was the intent of God for the church to change for the penitent but the seeker to change. Folks who can be happy in a Trinity church just don't believe the message. It is very simple. Might be comfortable but sadly lost.
Lost why?

How can a person who has fulfilled all the requirements of Oneness Pentecostal doctrine still be lost? Especially if that person's life is not marked by continued, gross sin.

Evang.Benincasa 08-15-2015 08:21 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386821)
I hope you are laughing
I'm laughing quite a bit when I read some of the sorry stuff people want to call God sent.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386821)
because you are making a joke and not because you really think the A/G thinks Jesus Christ is a god.
No joke, the Assembly of God believes in three separate persons coexisting as a unified effort. That Mr, is three gods, the son being the second to the superior god which is the father. They believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost? But no use in arguing with you over this bad life choice of your's. Reason being, you have been around Churchanity for ever, and you have justified your decision to walk down the broad way to enter smiling through the wide gate. Just don't blame God for your bad decision.

Evang.Benincasa 08-15-2015 08:28 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1386828)
Lost why?

How can a person who has fulfilled all the requirements of Oneness Pentecostal doctrine still be lost? Especially if that person's life is not marked by continued, gross sin.
You sitting in a Assembly of God church swaying with your hands held high, and NEVER saying as much as boo devil boo about the truth you hide under a cover? People around you weeping, tears streaming down their faces, but you remain silent? Never TELLING them about fulfilling all the requirements of the One God Pentecostal doctrine?

Sad, real sad, and selfish. :foottap

deacon blues 08-15-2015 09:59 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Best wishes Jermyn

Evang.Benincasa 08-16-2015 06:36 AM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
That's sad, when all you can get best wishes.

navygoat1998 08-16-2015 12:31 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1386859)
You sitting in a Assembly of God church swaying with your hands held high, and NEVER saying as much as boo devil boo about the truth you hide under a cover? People around you weeping, tears streaming down their faces, but you remain silent? Never TELLING them about fulfilling all the requirements of the One God Pentecostal doctrine?

Sad, real sad, and selfish. :foottap
:heeheehee

houston 08-16-2015 01:26 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
JD,

Do you really care what people think? (Yes, you do, apparently.)

Stop seeking validation from Op's. Move on.

Evang.Benincasa 08-16-2015 02:24 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by houston (Post 1386894)
JD,

Do you really care what people think? (Yes, you do, apparently.)

Stop seeking validation from Op's. Move on.
:highfive

Jermyn Davidson 08-16-2015 09:40 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by houston (Post 1386894)
JD,

Do you really care what people think? (Yes, you do, apparently.)

Stop seeking validation from Op's. Move on.
I miss them. I love them. I don't think I am seeking validation.

Jermyn Davidson 08-16-2015 09:53 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1386859)
You sitting in a Assembly of God church swaying with your hands held high, and NEVER saying as much as boo devil boo about the truth you hide under a cover? People around you weeping, tears streaming down their faces, but you remain silent? Never TELLING them about fulfilling all the requirements of the One God Pentecostal doctrine?

Sad, real sad, and selfish. :foottap
EB,
I'm not trying to be selfish at all.

They don't have to understand all mysteries, they have to have love.

Besides, the scriptures don't say a person has to speak in tongues in order to be saved, but OP doctrine will lead you to that conclusion. Furthermore, anything else I could tell them might lead to confusion and disorder and I don't want to be the source of that in ANY church.

Jermyn Davidson 08-16-2015 10:02 PM
Re: Moving To Cleveland!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1386858)
I'm laughing quite a bit when I read some of the sorry stuff people want to call God sent.




No joke, the Assembly of God believes in three separate persons coexisting as a unified effort. That Mr, is three gods, the son being the second to the superior god which is the father. They believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost? But no use in arguing with you over this bad life choice of your's. Reason being, you have been around Churchanity for ever, and you have justified your decision to walk down the broad way to enter smiling through the wide gate. Just don't blame God for your bad decision.
The Assembly of God doesn't believe in three gods. You are mistaken.

I don't blame God for any of my decisions. I don't understand where you get that I am blaming God for my decisions.


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