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good samaritan 08-26-2015 01:24 PM

Should women be in the military
 
I recently read where women had twice as many injuries in military training excercises. The military is probably a very large expense to any nation, but do we waste money trying to be non discriminative. maybe it is coincidential, but I think it is has to do with the way God made us. I am not saying they are incapable, but it is a waste of military funding to weed thorough those who can and cannot.

I don't want to be a male shovenists, but it seems that our country is becoming feminists and even homosexual. Of course not all, but it seems like it has became mainstream. What do you think?

good samaritan 08-26-2015 01:30 PM

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I also know a soldier who said that they helped a female through basic training exercises. I wish we could rewind the clock to the days where men were glad to be men and women where glad to be women. Neither where better than the other, but both knew their place in the family.

n david 08-26-2015 01:42 PM

No

Sean 08-26-2015 02:53 PM

Re: Should women be in the military
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1388048)
I recently read where women had twice as many injuries in military training excercises. The military is probably a very large expense to any nation, but do we waste money trying to be non discriminative. maybe it is coincidential, but I think it is has to do with the way God made us. I am not saying they are incapable, but it is a waste of military funding to weed thorough those who can and cannot.

I don't want to be a male shovenists, but it seems that our country is becoming feminists and even homosexual. Of course not all, but it seems like it has became mainstream. What do you think?



Women get hurt easier than men do. If they get hurt, they will get VA benifits and money for the rest of their life.

It is too expensive to have women getting hurt in combat.(just a little emotional stress will get them PTSD $)

Esphes45 08-26-2015 03:11 PM

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Absolutely not! Don't call me any names but there was a reason Jesus picked 12 men. Don't tell me times have changed and all that. Women are not as durable as men. Period. Women have biological issues to deal with that may present them from doing their job. Period. Don't get mad at me, get mad at God for doing that.

Just saying and God bless.

MawMaw 08-26-2015 05:08 PM

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I appreciate a woman's willingness, but, no, I do not believe
she should be in the military.

Evang.Benincasa 08-26-2015 09:11 PM

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You know what I think.

Esaias 08-27-2015 12:34 AM

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All who say Deut 22:5 means a woman must not wear weapons and/or armour must of necessity believe every woman in a combat or combat support role requiring body armor or PDWs or rifle is an abomination to God...

This would also seem to apply to concealed carry as well for civilian women.

Just saying...

Esphes45 08-27-2015 07:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MawMaw (Post 1388063)
I appreciate a woman's willingness, but, no, I do not believe
she should be in the military.

:thumbsup Well said.

KeptByTheWord 08-27-2015 08:26 AM

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No.

I look at it this way. Women's bodies were created by God to bring forth life, nurture life, and care for it. Men's bodies were created by God to protect the life brought forth through the woman. Our bodies simply are not the same. Our roles in life are not the same. Women should never be put in the position of having to kill life.

Sister Alvear 08-27-2015 09:16 AM

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I sure would not want to be in the military....however there might be a need in some areas such as book keeping and office work ....however as a general answer I would say no.

Sister Alvear 08-27-2015 09:18 AM

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and I do appreciate any person that has protected our country...not trying to knock anyone. My father was in the military and fought in WW 2...my cousin fought in one of the wars...war is a terrible thing to say the least....

KeptByTheWord 08-27-2015 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1388101)
I sure would not want to be in the military....however there might be a need in some areas such as book keeping and office work ....however as a general answer I would say no.

Right... women can be in the military as a support system (nursing, office work, food etc)... but should never be in active combat, in my opinion.

good samaritan 08-27-2015 12:52 PM

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In ministry we sometimes must reach people where they are at, but I think we should try to lead people in the right direction. I believe that many are made afraid to emphasize the importance of the male and female roles for fear of being labeled a male chauvinist. Men must be men, and must not be afraid of what others may think or say.

I have been thinking much about the distinctions taught by our OP's about male and female dress, and I think that it is important, but we should place more emphasis on the relationship roles of male and female.

So many families living without a father and a mother.
So many families suffer because they don't know what is expected to be a father or a mother.
So many children who suffer with gender identity and homosexuality.

The Church needs to teach the truth about these things. I hold no grudge against ladies in the service, and I give honor for their personal sacrifice. The problem lies within American culture and not with individual ladies. The church needs to stand in love for the order of creation. I want to see this nation turn around. I hope and pray it is not too late.

Esphes45 08-27-2015 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1388121)
In ministry we sometimes must reach people where they are at, but I think we should try to lead people in the right direction. I believe that many are made afraid to emphasize the importance of the male and female roles for fear of being labeled a male chauvinist. Men must be men, and must not be afraid of what others may think or say.

I have been thinking much about the distinctions taught by our OP's about male and female dress, and I think that it is important, but we should place more emphasis on the relationship roles of male and female.

So many families living without a father and a mother.
So many families suffer because they don't know what is expected to be a father or a mother.
So many children who suffer with gender identity and homosexuality.

The Church needs to teach the truth about these things. I hold no grudge against ladies in the service, and I give honor for their personal sacrifice. The problem lies within American culture and not with individual ladies. The church needs to stand in love for the order of creation. I want to see this nation turn around. I hope and pray it is not too late.


I agree but like my mother used to tell me. Charity starts at home. Before we can pray for our nation we have to fix ourselves, the church.

Jermyn Davidson 08-28-2015 08:01 AM

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I have no problem with women serving in the military in some armed combat roles and in all armed combat support roles.

If I ever have a daughter and she ever wanted to join the military, I would try to personally dissuade her, but not for any of the reasons that have been mentioned.

If I fail to dissuade her, I would still support her in her decision and love on her all the more-- especially my daughter.

I would ENCOURAGE my sons to serve in the U.S. military.

kclee4jc 08-28-2015 09:07 AM

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Better Question. Should Christians serve a combatant role in military?

n david 08-28-2015 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1388176)
Better Question. Should Christians serve a combatant role in military?

No

Esaias 08-28-2015 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc (Post 1388176)
Better Question. Should Christians serve a combatant role in military?

Did Jesus or the apostles require soldiers to go AWOL or become conscientious objectors?

Jermyn Davidson 08-28-2015 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1388178)
No

Yes.

There is a time for war. There is a time to kill.

Jermyn Davidson 08-28-2015 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1388190)
Did Jesus or the apostles require soldiers to go AWOL or become conscientious objectors?

Exactly!

The first Gentiles to be filled with the Holy Spirit were a military man and his family.

SOME religious people are always finding something wrong with whatever fits their fancy.

kclee4jc 08-28-2015 12:50 PM

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I didn't know asking an honest question was "finding something wrong with whatever fits their fancy"...

I really don't know the answer to my question. I have believed both ways before.

n david 08-28-2015 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1388191)
Yes.
There is a time for war. There is a time to kill.

Says a proverb attributed to an Old Testament king. Please show me where, in the New Testament, Jesus, Peter, Paul or any other Apostle or Disciple believed or taught this.

n david 08-28-2015 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1388190)
Did Jesus or the apostles require soldiers to go AWOL or become conscientious objectors?

Did Jesus or the Apostles tell converts to enlist?

good samaritan 08-28-2015 01:23 PM

Re: Should women be in the military
 
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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1388190)
Did Jesus or the apostles require soldiers to go AWOL or become conscientious objectors?

I personally couldn't in good conscious serve in a combat role.

n david 08-28-2015 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1388192)
The first Gentiles to be filled with the Holy Spirit were a military man and his family.

Proving what, exactly? The event wasn't noted because of his profession, it was noted because on the Gentiles also was the HG poured out.

n david 08-28-2015 01:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1388197)
I personally couldn't in good conscious serve in a combat role.

I would not, nor would I encourage anyone else to do so.

Jermyn Davidson 08-28-2015 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1388195)
Says a proverb attributed to an Old Testament king. Please show me where, in the New Testament, Jesus, Peter, Paul or any other Apostle or Disciple believed or taught this.

Well we can learn from the OT.

Maybe there is a concept that we can learn from this.

Jermyn Davidson 08-28-2015 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1388198)
Proving what, exactly? The event wasn't noted because of his profession, it was noted because on the Gentiles also was the HG poured out.

Also noted that as a part of his conversion, he was not asked to leave his profession behind.

Jermyn Davidson 08-28-2015 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1388199)
I would not, nor would I encourage anyone else to do so.

I wish every American would serve in our Armed Forces in some capacity for a minimum of two years.

Jermyn Davidson 08-28-2015 01:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by good samaritan (Post 1388197)
I personally couldn't in good conscious serve in a combat role.

There is a rush that is found in combat that is not found in other vocations.

However, there are side effects that one must deal with once the rush is gone and you're left with memories, good and bad.

n david 08-28-2015 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1388201)
Also noted that as a part of his conversion, he was not asked to leave his profession behind.

It's noted? Where in the Bible is it noted that Cornelius wasn't asked to leave his profession behind? You claim this only because the Bible is silent and nothing is written. It's not noted anywhere.

n david 08-28-2015 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1388203)
There is a rush that is found in combat that is not found in other vocations.

However, there are side effects that one must deal with once the rush is gone and you're left with memories, good and bad.

Drugs and alcohol give a rush. Illicit sex gives a rush. Murder gives a rush. Many legal and illegal things give a rush. Doesn't mean a Christian should be involved in doing them.

Esaias 08-29-2015 12:04 AM

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Where does the Bible teach being a soldier is wrong?

Jermyn Davidson 08-29-2015 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1388204)
It's noted? Where in the Bible is it noted that Cornelius wasn't asked to leave his profession behind? You claim this only because the Bible is silent and nothing is written. It's not noted anywhere.

If it had been necessary for his salvation or for his continued walk with Christ, it would have been clearly addressed.

My "it is noted" remark is an allusion to my own personal mental note made many years ago.

Jermyn Davidson 08-29-2015 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1388231)
Where does the Bible teach being a soldier is wrong?

It doesn't.

Where in the Bible does it teach that a person must speak in tongues as proof of their salvation?

It doesn't.

But I am mixing apples and oranges during this discussion of circular logic.

Jermyn Davidson 08-29-2015 03:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1388205)
Drugs and alcohol give a rush. Illicit sex gives a rush. Murder gives a rush. Many legal and illegal things give a rush. Doesn't mean a Christian should be involved in doing them.

Why do you think it is wrong for a Christian to serve in the military?

Do you think there is a difference between killing and murder?

n david 08-29-2015 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1388263)
If it had been necessary for his salvation or for his continued walk with Christ, it would have been clearly addressed.

Homosexuals say about the same thing. "Since neither Jesus nor the Apostles said anything against it specifically, it must be okay."

Hogwash. Silence isn't consent.

Paul clearly wrote that our warfare isn't carnal, neither are our weapons. ie: a Christian's war is not of the flesh, it's a spiritual warfare.

n david 08-29-2015 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1388266)
Why do you think it is wrong for a Christian to serve in the military?

Do you think there is a difference between killing and murder?

See Paul's statement I previously posted.

Evang.Benincasa 08-29-2015 07:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1388265)
It doesn't.

Where in the Bible does it teach that a person must speak in tongues as proof of their salvation?

It doesn't.

But I am mixing apples and oranges during this discussion of circular logic.

John 3:8

Get over it.


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